Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone

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**JNAProductions**

Agreed. One or two captains are critical to get those rerolls.

But outside that, more bikes is better.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Ordana wrote:
mrhappyface wrote:
Aye, W16, I was thinking about the Shadowsword whilst I typed up the stats for the LR (don't worry, I didn't give the LR 24W in that game).

Aye, bikes are still the better option (as they are when compared to literally any other unit besides the unkillable Bike Captain) but that doesn't make the LR necessarily bad.
I actually would rate normal bikers better then captains.
near double the cost gives the captain near double the survivability (not counting relics) but no increase in ranged output and only 25% more melee output.
6 bike captains or 9 bikes and a captain. I'd go for the latter every time.

Survivability is going to vary simply because of the Character keyword existing for them.

**Primark G**

A bike captain is more survivable because as SF123 said character keyword, 3++, Superior Creation WLT and VofBG strategem. That is why one fits perfectly into my army... will be building another one too.

**RogueApiary**

mrhappyface wrote:
JNAProductions wrote:
mrhappyface wrote:
A Land Raider with Wardens in is OK as anti-tank in semi-competitive areas: with the -1 to hit, the LR will be able to soak up enough damage turn 1 that it is either ignored (players with BS4+ or worse will likely do this) or it will draw away enough fire that your opponent won't have enough shooting to take down your bikes.

Eh... That's a LOT of points.

Game 2, VS IG (Shadowsword): turn 1 I dropped a Leman Russ to half wounds and crippled an infantry squad (that later ran away) with it's bolters, his response was to focus the LR down with the Shadowsword and an Annihilator Pask; allowing my Bikes to move up the flanks relatively unscathed (lost 1 bike to an executioner) and wipe out his infantry, heavy weapons squads and Celestine (she got her lights punched out by my Captain without doing any damage to me) and hold two Leman Russes down in cc for 2 turns (destroying one but just holding down the other).
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Pask and Tank Commanders can't use FW tank variants. Otherwise I'd be rolling with Annihilator Pask every game.

**mrhappyface**

I said the "unkillable bike captain", as in the Bike Captain with a 3++, 5+++, re-rolls to charges and a free re-roll.

A unit of bikes is definitely better than a regular bike captain with none of the bells and whistles.

**Primark G**

I have had an entire SoB army shoot mine and he survived.

**bananathug**

Primark G wrote:
BillyN831 wrote:

"What are Adeptus Custodes top tier units in your opinion? I have played them once in a 2 versus 2 and lost and this was before the codex. I was wondering what is best now. Thanks."

I have had lots of success with Allurus Custodians and Wardens. They may become more popular after GW nerfs dawneagles. Supposedly ever Imperial army at LGT had a supreme command detachment with three shield captains on dawneagles. The Telemon is looking very promising and gives Custodes what they sorely need which is ranged AT shooting.

This is making me really nervous about buying any more custodes. Seeing them in every imperial list I'm scared they are going to end up getting the Dark Talon or even worse Fire Raptor treatment and end up being relegated to my shelf of non-competitive but cool looking space marines...

**Amishprn86**

Primark G wrote:
I have had an entire SoB army shoot mine and he survived.

And 2 weeks ago i just saw one die to bolters b.c he rolled 4 1's and already had some wounds on him.

**mrhappyface**

RogueApiary wrote:
Pask and Tank Commanders can't use FW tank variants. Otherwise I'd be rolling with Annihilator Pask every game.

Oh... Well then my Land Raider would have likely lasted even longer then and would have put out even more anti-tank damage than it did.

**Skhmt**

Amishprn86 wrote:
Primark G wrote:
I have had an entire SoB army shoot mine and he survived.

And 2 weeks ago i just saw one die to bolters b.c he rolled 4 1's and already had some wounds on him.

Cool anecdotes.

**JNAProductions**

No one is saying Bike Captains aren't tougher to kill than a regular Praetor. But they aren't much killier than one.

Same Hurricane Bolter, same Interceptor Lance, albeit with one more attack, same Strength...

**Primark G**

You could possibly roll nothing but ones for saves the whole game but it’s not something I worry about really.

**luke1705**

This just in from the London GT - bikes are good. Shield captains pretty ok

**Primark G**

Orks won Warhammer Fest.

**Amishprn86**

luke1705 wrote:This just in from the London GT - bikes are good. Shield captains pretty ok

Primark G wrote:Orks won Warhammer Fest.

Its almost like different house rules/missions effects the outcome

**luke1705**

Amishprn86 wrote:
luke1705 wrote:This just in from the London GT - bikes are good. Shield captains pretty ok

Primark G wrote:Orks won Warhammer Fest.

Its almost like different house rules/missions effects the outcome

Actually I think shield captains are pretty good in basically any comp. Regular bikes a bit less so but they’re still pretty good all rounders

**greyknight12**

The real thing that needs to happen is just the removal of the supreme command detachment. Being able to build a detachment out of just HQs shouldn’t have been allowed to begin with.

**Amishprn86**

Or make it cost 3cp lol

**Shinymarine**

Got a tournament coming up in 2 weeks time that has roughly around 100 people and I’m struggling to make the call on my list, I’ve got the standard guard battalion for cp then I’m tossing up between maxing out on bikes unita and some assassins or taking less bikes but more anti tank probably in the form of leman russ tanks

What would be the pros and cons of each list and armies they don’t want to run into?

**RogueApiary**

Shinymarine wrote:
Got a tournament coming up in 2 weeks time that has roughly around 100 people and I’m struggling to make the call on my list, I’ve got the standard guard battalion for cp then I’m tossing up between maxing out on bikes unita and some assassins or taking less bikes but more anti tank probably in the form of leman russ tanks

What would be the pros and cons of each list and armies they don’t want to run into?

Can't really help you out without some idea of the mission format. The mission format and any tournament specific restrictions can drastically alter what defines a good list and what to worry about.

**Shinymarine**

Sorry clean forgot to post that stuff it’s 5 games, itc missions with no forgeworld allowed

**mrhappyface**

Shinymarine wrote:
Sorry clean forgot to post that stuff it’s 5 games, itc missions with no forgeworld allowed

And points level?

**Skhmt**

Amishprn86 wrote:
Or make it cost 3cp lol

That's not enough with the increase in battalion CPs and guard CP churning nonsense

**Slayer-Fan123**

Amishprn86 wrote:
luke1705 wrote:This just in from the London GT - bikes are good. Shield captains pretty ok

Primark G wrote:Orks won Warhammer Fest.

Its almost like different house rules/missions effects the outcome

Wasn't this the guy that Slow Played considerably?

**McMagnus Mindbullets**

Spoiler:

Points? List? I'm interested in a land raider as ranged anti tank that isn't forge world sooo what was the list?

**AstraVlad**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Wasn't this the guy that Slow Played considerably?

As far as I know, yes, it was "That Guy".

**RogueApiary**

Shinymarine wrote:
Sorry clean forgot to post that stuff it’s 5 games, itc missions with no forgeworld allowed

Ok, ITC so you'll be wanting mortars in your IG CP farm squads to deny Reaper.

You'll likely be offering max Headhunter, so your opponent will likely choose that. They'll probably take old school and maybe Gang Buster's depending on the size of the bike squads.

One thing with bikes being so popular is you might run into a near mirror match. Not sure what you can do to give yourself an edge in bikes vs. bikes.

Russ'/basilisks/Manticores all give solid long range AT, but they are basically shut down by Alaitoc on the field. They also open you up to giving up BGH secondary. The bikes should do alright in mitigating all the -1/-2, but the mortal wounds will hurt when you get that close.

Guard squads are a mixed blessing. You get more board control and objectives, but you give your opponent easy kills for the EoR killed more primary and all but guaranteeing the EoT killed one unit primary. Use the squad merge strat whenever possible to deny unit kills.

**Dr. Mills**

Hello fellow custard creme players,

I'm asking more upon what would be the most effective pure custodes army at 2000pts that didn't have any dawneagle jet bikes.?

Now, I fully understand that this will not be hyper competitive or be an all winning force, but the meta in my local club is casual with a more narrative feel to missions and no one uses allies at all, so it's very beer and crisps than WIN AT ALL COSTS! At the local!

Now, while casual, were not noobs so there are some tasty armies. A pure death guard, Alderiri, Drukhari, Primaris Marines, space marines, Adeptus Mechanicus, all flavours of DarkbAngel, and Astra Militarum and finally Necrons. A wide array of opponents and as such, we're used to unique rules, stratagems, deep strikes etc. So dakka - how would a potent custodes armyook that didn't ally up it spam jetbikes?

**BrianDavion**

Dr. Mills wrote:
Hello fellow custard creme players,

I'm asking more upon what would be the most effective pure custodes army at 2000pts that didn't have any dawneagle jet bikes.?

Now, I fully understand that this will not be hyper competitive or be an all winning force, but the meta in my local club is casual with a more narrative feel to missions and no one uses allies at all, so it's very beer and crisps than WIN AT ALL COSTS! At the local!

Now, while casual, were not noobs so there are some tasty armies. A pure death guard, Alderiri, Drukhari, Primaris Marines, space marines, Adeptus Mechanicus, all flavours of DarkbAngel, and Astra Militarum and finally Necrons. A wide array of opponents and as such, we're used to unique rules, stratagems, deep strikes etc. So dakka - how would a potent custodes armyook that didn't ally up it spam jetbikes?

assuming you didn't want any jet bikes (which BTW would be a sin, they're pretty minis, even if you don't want to spam em, might be worth snagging a box) I think the best combination would be a custodian gaurd heavy list. run in packs of 5 with 3 spears 2 shields, and advance up the board with them. put a velixla preator with a magnfcigenca velixa or two down with your troops to make your line even more durable. then top the army off with a squad or two of Allarus Custodes for deep strike power

**Spartacus**

A Telemon or other long range shooty thing would also be important without jetbikes, otherwise fast armies would be difficult to touch. At least it allows you to deal to things like hellblasters, devastators and such before they do too much damage.