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 LordofHats wrote:
I'm not sure if it's good or bad that my favorite part of this premier is Kamala's try-hard parents who are far from the worst over-protective parents I've ever seen but are just so cringy when they try to lighten up >>; It's amazing how well they nailed that, making it both funny and incredibly relatable at the same time.

I wasn't expecting to like Ms. Marvel cause it seemed aimed at a demographic I'm not but it's not bad. It's got a lot of the same style and energy as Tom Holland's Spider-man, but Holland basically went straight to Avengers tier stuff in the MCU and we never really saw him dealing with more mundane aspects of life. This show kind of fills that niche in a way and it's quite pleasant.

The actress deserves props too. She's freaking great. She perfectly manages to nail the balance of socially awkward, good natured, and suffering daughter of over-protective parents.

I’m interested to see what younger folk make of it. I agree with everything you’ve said so far, but I’d add there’s almost shades of Melissa Joan Hart’s Sabrina, and indeed generic American yoof sitcom type stuff. Certainly more that, than the John Hughes Homage Spider-man (not meant to be a criticism of either!)

If they did Ghost Rider I’d almost be surprised if they starred anyone other than the current guy with the Charger whose name I don’t recall. I could see having Blaze around as an old mentor/passing the torch thing. They’ve been pushing into the current comics stuff so much I just don’t know that I see them beginning a new project from something that older school.

Robbie Reyes.

The issue there is that Blaze is passing the torch because he is currently ruling hell. He disposed mephisto. Can't have Blaze ruling hell before we get a mephisto.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
I'm not sure if it's good or bad that my favorite part of this premier is Kamala's try-hard parents who are far from the worst over-protective parents I've ever seen but are just so cringy when they try to lighten up >>; It's amazing how well they nailed that, making it both funny and incredibly relatable at the same time.

I wasn't expecting to like Ms. Marvel cause it seemed aimed at a demographic I'm not but it's not bad. It's got a lot of the same style and energy as Tom Holland's Spider-man, but Holland basically went straight to Avengers tier stuff in the MCU and we never really saw him dealing with more mundane aspects of life. This show kind of fills that niche in a way and it's quite pleasant.

The actress deserves props too. She's freaking great. She perfectly manages to nail the balance of socially awkward, good natured, and suffering daughter of over-protective parents.

I’m interested to see what younger folk make of it. I agree with everything you’ve said so far, but I’d add there’s almost shades of Melissa Joan Hart’s Sabrina, and indeed generic American yoof sitcom type stuff. Certainly more that, than the John Hughes Homage Spider-man (not meant to be a criticism of either!)

More like Clarissa knows it all, but I’m really showing my age now. [sighs] so old….

I wasn't really looking forward to Ms. Marvel much, but after having watched that first episode I gotta say I'm very impressed. As someone who grew up in the west with immigrant Muslim parents, this really hit home in a way I wasn't expecting. They really nailed the dynamic between her and her family. I also burst out laughing at certain things her parents said that I wasn't sure were meant to be funny, but they were things my folks used to say and that really tickled me. Very much looking forward to the next episode.

Great first episode. They definitely nailed the appeal of the character and really looking forward to more. Definitely looking forward to more of this one.

On a side note, the rumor mill regarding her powers is currently:

Hm. I wonder if they don’t merge her background with a version Amulet’s. His whole deal is fighting demons trapped in objects and his power is manifesting energy shields in various shapes.

They could always go with the cyberpunk Ghost Rider 2099 storyline...

Ms Marvel episode 2

Bloody good fun again. Kamala and her friends are just the right level of teenage awkwardness - endearing, rather than cringe. Less socially inept, more socially inexperienced.

They certainly feel pretty authentic, though the cultural stuff I’ll leave commenting to those who aren’t early 40’s, British and whiter than a fresh sheet.

Really enjoyed the training montage bit. Definitely has roots in Sabrina and Clarissa (from when I was actually young!)

I like all the character bits. Everyone seems good like you said. Story is diverging further from the initial comic run. They might be drawing inspiration from the recent Cradle arc from Champions? Not sure who those government guys are. This shamed relative of hers I’m completely unsure of. I don’t recall anything like that from the comics and I think it’s made up whole cloth for her new powers origin.

I’m not familiar with the comic character myself. I understand she can manipulate her body, which the show has replaced with sparkly construct stuff.

I do wonder if that’s been done to reserve for Fantastic 4?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m not familiar with the comic character myself. I understand she can manipulate her body, which the show has replaced with sparkly construct stuff.

I do wonder if that’s been done to reserve for Fantastic 4?

I'm reasonably sure Feige was quoted to that effect around the time the trailer dropped.

Which is a poop reason because their powers aren’t the same. It’s nitpicky but she doesn’t stretch, she changes shape, actually gaining and losing mass. It just on occasion Looks like stretching. The current in comic theory, which I believe they’ve stated in such isn’t the definitive necessarily correct answer, is that she borrows and loans mass between past and future versions of herself.

It does seem kind of weird that they're basically making her Green Lantern lite with the power change with the bracelet so far. Not to mention that Reed's whole thing was less of the use of his stretchy powers and more him being an eccentric genius anyways, so there wasn't much overlap between the two anyhow.

Episode 2 was excellent. The show continues to hit home really hard for me, which really makes me wonder how accessible it is for people who didn't grow up in an Islamic household. I can't wait to see the followup to that last scene in this episode.

I think they do a pretty good job of making the overbearing applicable. An overbearing 'Christian' household isn't really any different than this. Just slightly different rules/flavor. It's weird how well they nail it too.

Nothing about this strikes me as being "Overbearingly Islamic" though. The family is overbearing in the way that families tend to be. They're acting naturally, not "naturally Muslim". That probably has something to do with the fact that, outside of Nakia, this is a show populated with characters who are Muslim, as opposed to "Muslim Characters".

"Muslim Characters", much like the ever-present (and over-represented) "Gay Characters", are Muslim characters that are 100% Muslim all the time, being Muslim defines them, and everything they do is done through the lens of being a Muslim.

The characters on this show are people first, and their faith is part of their character rather than the entire identity/existence. Kalama's father isn't the "Muslim Father", he's just a father who loves his daughter, is kind of goofy, embarasses her and is also Muslim. Even the brother, who is clearly the most devout of all of them, has more going on for him than just being Islamic.

In the above paragraphs, replace 'Muslim' with 'Gay' and you'll see what I mean about "Gay Characters" as opposed to characters that are also gay.

 AduroT wrote:
Which is a poop reason because their powers aren’t the same. It’s nitpicky but she doesn’t stretch, she changes shape, actually gaining and losing mass. It just on occasion Looks like stretching. The current in comic theory, which I believe they’ve stated in such isn’t the definitive necessarily correct answer, is that she borrows and loans mass between past and future versions of herself.

I think its just that the effect would be expensive and still look silly.

Voss wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Which is a poop reason because their powers aren’t the same. It’s nitpicky but she doesn’t stretch, she changes shape, actually gaining and losing mass. It just on occasion Looks like stretching. The current in comic theory, which I believe they’ve stated in such isn’t the definitive necessarily correct answer, is that she borrows and loans mass between past and future versions of herself.

I think its just that the effect would be expensive and still look silly.

It’s the reason I subscribe to. It would likely be too uncanny valley on a tv budget.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nothing about this strikes me as being "Overbearingly Islamic" though. The family is overbearing in the way that families tend to be. They're acting naturally, not "naturally Muslim". That probably has something to do with the fact that, outside of Nakia, this is a show populated with characters who are Muslim, as opposed to "Muslim Characters".

Apart from the actual religious bit, you could replace it with Hindu (or non-religious) Indians, for example, with no issue.

The brother tends to be extremely Muslim, but he’s not had many scenes in the show.

 AduroT wrote:

Voss wrote:
I think its just that the effect would be expensive and still look silly.

It’s the reason I subscribe to. It would likely be too uncanny valley on a tv budget.

I agree. I think that "stretchy limbs that don't look like gak" is a big challenge that they want to tackle for the upcoming Fantastic 4 movie, with the Fantastic 4 movie budget, and the Fantastic 4 movie schedule where pre-production and post-production has the time get it right without the time constraints that you get on your average TV series (even one with as few episodes as a D+ show).

Plus there's the problems with the reimagined origin.

It is of course totally possible in a completely made up story to have had the bangle make her able to stretch/change, but it conferring the ability to manipulate some sort of energy seems more plausible.

I guess it's not even beyond reason that part of the story might involve her absorbing the energy and being able to change without it, but that's not something I'd expect.

Possibly. The bangle is based on a piece of her comic costume, which was indeed family jewelry that her mother/grandmother brought with her during the partition.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Plus there's the problems with the reimagined origin.

It is of course totally possible in a completely made up story to have had the bangle make her able to stretch/change, but it conferring the ability to manipulate some sort of energy seems more plausible.

I guess it's not even beyond reason that part of the story might involve her absorbing the energy and being able to change without it, but that's not something I'd expect.

Huh. I almost always expect 'the power was in you all along' from a teen hero story. Particularly teen girl hero stories.
But admittedly its more an arc for the fourth or fifth season (or book)


(though it would almost certainly stay energy manipulation)

Certainly the story elements introduced this week wouldn't work with her original powers. I definitely think it would have been hard to explain them without the "we have X-Men at home" blanket explanation of the Inhumans. Lacking that, they need to tie into something.

Great episode though. Super fun twist at the end tying back to the lunch date lie and the supporting cast really makes the show. Kind of eye rolling at the best friend's once in a lifetime opportunity moment, but I really enjoy everyone else's arc.

There are some pretty heavy implications that the bangle could be one of the Nega Bands. Which in the comics are Kree in origin (the inhumans are also Kree in origin) and are able to create hard light (amongst a bunch of other comic book nonsense).

The nega bands also have a connection to the negative zone (a place frequently factoring into Fantastic 4 stories and the home of Annhilus) and we keep seeing glimpses of this purply shadow world with versions of people with glowy eyes when she "goes" there.

Right now my money is on her acquiring a Nega Band.

The once in a life time moment is actually another thing from the comics, except there it’s

 AduroT wrote:
The once in a life time moment is actually another thing from the comics, except there it’s

Spoiler:

a school in Wakanda that he gets to go to. Show hasn’t super gone into how smart that guy is, just kind of hinted at it with his home made Alexa thing.

WF does need a new Shuri, sadly.