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@Cyrax: Yeah they can. No benefit anyway.

Thanks leohart.

If allies are bonus FOC slots, every army will have to get an ally to have the extra slots and remain competitive.

If allies are bonus FOC slots, every army will have to get an ally to have the extra slots and remain competitive.

Apparently allies are not bonus FOC slots. It just happens that the FOC doubles at over 2000 points games. The WD report was 2500 points which explains the fact they had more than 3 heavies etc. Play 2000 or 2001 point games (don't know which one it is) and you can have 6 heavies from your single codex. 6 Doom Scythes... *faints* ....

usernamesareannoying wrote:are detachment slots gone and were going to percentages or are we still stuck with the standard 6 troops, 3 elites etc?

That's been confirmed several times over the course of the thread. Specifically in the last few pages, where the slots allowed for Allies have been discussed.

No percentages. The FOC stays.

Do we have any members of that board here on Dakka that we can direct questions through? I don't want another password.

That thread infuriates me, the guy is posting slow as and most people keep asking stuff we already "know."

Therion wrote:

If allies are bonus FOC slots, every army will have to get an ally to have the extra slots and remain competitive.

Apparently allies are not bonus FOC slots. It just happens that the FOC doubles at over 2000 points games. The WD report was 2500 points which explains the fact they had more than 3 heavies etc. Play 2000 or 2001 point games (don't know which one it is) and you can have 6 heavies from your single codex. 6 Doom Scythes... *faints* ....

Thank you Therion. I'll be able to compliment my 3 hammerheads with my 8 broadsides in 2000+ games. I'm very happy about that.

I have a Reddit account. Need anything asked?

tetrisphreak wrote:If allies are bonus FOC slots, every army will have to get an ally to have the extra slots and remain competitive.

Or allies won't be allowed in competitive play.

Therion wrote:

Yes, but DC come with FNP and FC built in, have plenty of lovely weapon options, and are WS5. This makes them an incredibly good standalone hammer for pretty much any army in the game.

Jumping to conclusions eh? There are quite a few armies that don't want to have absolutely anything to do with 35 point Space Marines with normal 3+ saves and no invulnerable save.

Someone with an account on reddit ask the guy about the flyers' evade rule. What does it include in detail? Can they evade against anything shooting at them, or only against enemy flyers? Is that also the only way for flyers to gain a cover save?

For all intents they basically have a 5+ invul now through FNP against anything other than missiles or lascannons plus an extra 2 attacks from Rage now and no longer forced directional movement. Looks like a pretty awesome unit. Not to mention if you make them Jumpers and then they get hammer of wrath too.

What do you need to hit a vehicle in CC depending on how far its moved.

[–]Rixitotal[S] 1 point 2 minutes ago
3+. but you cant attack zooming flyers in combat at all.

Fafnir wrote:I have a Reddit account. Need anything asked?

Q: Can you explain the flyers' evade rule? What does it include in detail? Are there any other ways for the flyers to gain protection like cover saves against enemy shooting? Do flyers get the cover save from moving like skimmers do?

Fafnir wrote:I have a Reddit account. Need anything asked?

I'm most intrigued by the new vehicle types and USR's personally, thanks.

So if everything is Brother-in-Arms with its self like the chart says. Dose that mean you can ally with your own army, becouse it is grey if you can't ally with them at all. Then we could be running around with 3 HQ, 4 Elite, 8 Troops, 4 Fast, and 4 Heavy from the same book. Just need 2 HQ and 3 Troop choose first.

What are the rules for fortification slot? Is there a point limit? What are some options and their relative point cost to each other?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 1 point 4 minutes ago
all the fortifcation stuff already has a GW terrain model. the walls are 50pts. bastion 75, and the big darkangel fort, yes the massive one is over 200. 220 in the white dwarf

I would like to know if Sweeping Advance is still around, or if it has changed.

(discussing relentless)

you can double tap at max range with rapid fire weapons?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 1 point 50 seconds ago
no 1 shot at max range. 2 at half.

Added some questions, check under the name "Weathercock."

Noir wrote:So if everything is Brother-in-Arms with its self like the chart says. Dose that mean you can ally with your own army, becouse it is grey if you can't ally with them at all. Then we could be running around with 3 HQ, 4 Elite, 8 Troops, 4 Fast, and 4 Heavy from the same book. Just need 2 HQ and 3 Troop choose first.

That chart is not the one from the rulebook. While the alliances between codexes appear to be the same, we don't know yet if armies can ally with themselves.

And it was just mentioned that the allied slots aren't extras, just the number you're allowed for allies.

Fafnir wrote:I have a Reddit account. Need anything asked?

Yep, we should let him know Dakkas in the house.

What does the vehicle category "Heavy" and "tank" provide? Damage chart, hull points buffs? What is "salvo"?

Do the allied detachment units take up slots in your normal force org chart?
For example, can you take 2 of your main army's HQs plus an allied HQ for a total of 3? Or can you still only take a max of 2 HQs total, and if you have an allied HQ, you only get 1 of your main HQs?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 1 point 3 minutes ago
no its a new chart, with 1 compulsory HQ, 1 compulsory troop and 1 optional, and 1 optional for all of them.


Looks like it IS a bonus FOC. In smaller games, I guess an army could take a detachment of it's own codex to access the bonus HQ/Troop/ETC slots....

tetrisphreak wrote:(discussing relentless)

you can double tap at max range with rapid fire weapons?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 1 point 50 seconds ago
no 1 shot at max range. 2 at half.

Wow, rumor kill!

I know Byte, I had to ask that since I can foresee Necron Warrior blobs with a Phaeron destroying all vehicles.

EDIT: I'm also asking on the AMA under AresX8.

on shooting down Flying MC's:

Can you clarify what is necessary to be "shot down" when Vector Striking?

[–]Rixitotal[S] 1 point 5 minutes ago
1 or more hits from a units shooting, and then rolling a 1or2 on a D6.

Fafnir wrote:Added some questions, check under the name "Weathercock."

I can answer two of those.

1. Hover, Heavy, Chariot
5. From your standard allowance, duh.

AresX8 wrote:I know Byte, I had to ask that since I can foresee Necron Warrior blobs with a Phaeron destroying all vehicles.

EDIT: I'm also asking on the AMA under AresX8.

Cool, good heads up!

Weathercock 3 points 7 minutes ago
Here are a few on behalf of Dakkadakka.com:
Are there any new vehicle types (in addition to flyers?)
How does a flyer's 'evade' rule work?
And are there any new universal special rules that really jump out? Or big changes to old ones?
Is sweeping advance still around? Has it changed?
How do fortifications/fortification slots work? Are their costs worked into your normal points allowance, or are they extra?
Thanks.

[–]Rixitotal[S] 1 point 59 seconds ago
hello dakka dakka.
chariots. look like they work like the necron command barge. and heavy, works like the monlith.
you may choose to evade if you are zooming (as opposed to hovering) works like going to ground and gives you jink but can only shoot snap shots next turn.
acute senses is rerolling outflank. rage is only +2 attack on assult. and as far as i can see fearless dosnt take extra wounds, i looked in the combat section and coudnt find anything about it either.


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So with relentless not being necessary to shoot at full range with rapid fire, looks like the phaeron upgrade is just to allow warriors to double-tap and then assault afterwards.


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CSM and Codex: daemons are battle brothers.

Well, looking at what we know so far, it looks like 6th edition is going to be more based on list building than any other edition before it.

Evade was clarified to be simply going to ground. If anyone reading this is going to use flyers here's how it works:

You bring your Vendetta into play on turn two and destroy my Predator with it. On my turn I start shooting at your Vendetta with my Devastator squad. You declare that you're evading. You gain a cover save against my shots, and I only hit you on 6's anyway. If you survive, which you will, your Vendetta is removed from the table and will return on your turn on a 2+ from a table edge. On the turn it returns (right away) all your shooting will be snap firing meaning BS1. Your lascannons are twin-linked anyway so you don't care that much. You'll hit with 1 lascannon even with BS1.

Now, there's flyers like the Doom Scythe which always hit with their Death Ray anyway because it doesn't even use the BS profile. Night Scythes don't care much either since their gun is also twin-linked and they're looking for 6's anyway because every 6 is 3 hits. All of the Necron flyers especially will just evade if you shoot at them and come back next turn to pound your stuff some more.

Thanks for the (can't say clarification) verification.