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I can see them having that conversation. Xenology (a little old now) heavily implies that the Harlequins crafted the Ethereal caste. I have always thought that they were manipulating the Tau from behind the scenes for a purpose. If so, and you have a alien Empire in your pocket, I could absolutely see them saying... too young... i.e. they aren't ready. Give them a thousand years and we are in business.

Tau won't feature in this group of Gathering Storm. I bet the next book is 'what happens after Tau/Imperial Team up'. I still expect to see a Chaos box set, but maybe it will be more imperials.

I still want to see what it is that is in the carcaphagus that has Abby so worked up that he turned the whole fleet on them. Loken? Something or someone in stasis from before Horus's fall... very interesting.

 kronk wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Spoiler:

"So, who should we ask to be in our alliance?"

"The orks?"

*Grave nods of recognition from everyone*

"No, too crazy. Tyranids too."

*Mumbles of assent, all present knew too well the tyranids*

"Not even going to mention the necrons. So that leaves the Imperium, huh?"

"Sir, what about the Tau?"

"The who?"

"The Tau, they live here." *points at map* "No, maybe..maybe here... uh... can we zoom in this map?"

*Map zooms WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY in*

"This is the Tau empire."

"Well...no, they're obviously too small. Why have I heard that name before? Why does it feel like these guys are always showing up for some reason?"

"yeah, I don't know why I happened to mention them, and not the Xvgtghyelwehtl, who have an empire next door about the same size. Or the Yx, who have a slightly larger empire next to them. I guess for some reason we just seem to keep running into the Tau."

"Weird. So, the Imperium then, all in favor?

"

Exalted!

Someone should lure all of the orks into the Eye of Terror and let them slow Abaddon down!

"Well, folks, it looks like Abaddon really has the Imperium AND the Eldar on the ropes, and is lifting up his Daemon-Chair, Redneck'nyen for the final knockou-OH MY GOD, Ladies and gentlemen, John Cenork just came out of nowhere to clothesline Abbadon and put him on his back! What an upset! Abbadon's managers must be absolutely furious that he let victory slip from his grasp, mid-swing!"

 Unusual Suspect wrote:
"Well, folks, it looks like Abaddon really has the Imperium AND the Eldar on the ropes, and is lifting up his Daemon-Chair, Redneck'nyen for the final knockou-OH MY GOD, Ladies and gentlemen, John Cenork just came out of nowhere to clothesline Abbadon and put him on his back! What an upset! Abbadon's managers must be absolutely furious that he let victory slip from his grasp, mid-swing!"

You just described the end of the Storm of Chaos campaign from a number of years back.

 Formosa wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Speaking of which, how does one even become a daemon prince of chaos undivided?

You don't.

The Chaos Gods did it once - Bel'akor - and it backfired on them horribly. They don't do it anymore since then.

But Lorgar is a Daemon Prince, is he not?

Perturabo is like wise an Undivided Daemon Prince.

he is mistaken, there are plenty off examples of undivided deamon princes, Lorgar has shown in the HH books that its a ritual to become a deamon prince, a very large one requiring great sacrifice, but a ritual none the less, so technically anything could become a deamon prince, given enough time and the right knowledge.

Interesting. So, most daemon princes are mortals elevated to daemon hood by one of the chaos gods, being given some of the god's power. But Lorgar may have become one without help from any of the chaos gods by performing some kind of ritual? That would make it possible, would it not, for Lorgar to side with a new god-emperor if it were to coalesce in the warp. A daemon prince of one of the chaos gods couldn't betray their god, or the god could just take it's power back and make the daemon prince cease to exist. But maybe Lorgar is now a deamon formed out of unaligned warp energy that he somehow gathered himself, and could do his own thing if he wants. Of course if he actively worked against the chaos gods they could destroy him as he is much weaker than any of them. But if the emperor becomes a god in the warp, seems like Lorgar could easily side with the Imperium.

Unusual Suspect wrote:I think the biggest issue with using the word "conclusion" would be that while The Gathering Storm is stated to be a trilogy, the Storm Itself need not conclude at the end of its Gathering.

I could see a trilogy of "The Eye of the Storm" books (the actual clash of the gathering titanic forces) and a trilogy of "The Storm's Wake" (the aftermath of that clash - this is the only place I could see the Tau being featured, in a "while the Imperium recovered, the Tau took advantage and expanded... right into an Ork Waaaagh/Tyranid Splinter Fleet/Space Marine Crusade" sort of way) that eventually covers all the existing armies/alliances, ending the trilogy of trilogies in a new status quo.

Just a guess, though.

Thanks I didn't see it this way. This makes so much sense.

 Prodigalson wrote:
I can see them having that conversation. Xenology (a little old now) heavily implies that the Harlequins crafted the Ethereal caste. I have always thought that they were manipulating the Tau from behind the scenes for a purpose. If so, and you have a alien Empire in your pocket, I could absolutely see them saying... too young... i.e. they aren't ready. Give them a thousand years and we are in business.

I would really like it if GW expanded on this. I had always heard the Eldrad himself created the Warp Storm (or at least predicted it and sent the Harlies to create the Ethereals) that shrouded the original Tau homeworld and allowed the Tau to advance rather than be exterminatus'd by the Imperium.

It would add a nice twist to the Tau and make them more important that just some back-water Empire that has been causing problems for the Imperium.
If, and I do mean "if" GW greats some AoS-style grand alliances, that could be a good way to make Aeldari & Tau into their own xenos alliance

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I would say it's a safe bet that there's no redemption for the Word Bearers

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Unusual Suspect wrote:
"Well, folks, it looks like Abaddon really has the Imperium AND the Eldar on the ropes, and is lifting up his Daemon-Chair, Redneck'nyen for the final knockou-OH MY GOD, Ladies and gentlemen, John Cenork just came out of nowhere to clothesline Abbadon and put him on his back! What an upset! Abbadon's managers must be absolutely furious that he let victory slip from his grasp, mid-swing!"

You just described the end of the Storm of Chaos campaign from a number of years back.

Yea isn't that almost a perfect picture of what Grimgor Ironhide did to Archaon? LMAO


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 nintura wrote:
I would say it's a safe bet that there's no redemption of the Word Bearers

There isn't enough tinfoil in the world to fashion an appropriate hat for that one.

It is definitely going to be weird if/when they get to the Tau.

The last background stuff for them was very interesting. Aun'va is killed and was just.... a horribal person. (Reading Blades of Damocleas right now, and you get the sense that he is one evil manipulative guy). Aun'shi is captured by the Dark Eldar and is currently fighting in the slave pits in Commorrough (where apparently he is trying to teach peace and wisdom). Farsight and Shadowsun have patched up their differences a bit and are stuck on the other side of the Damocles Gulf. The last of Puretide's three super students has not been heard about since he liberated Fi'rios from the Orks. It is heavily hinted that while the Tau don't understand Chaos or the warp at all, the Ethereals know what is going on. I have always thought of the Ethereal caste themselves as an entire race that was the Emperor. The Emperor gave humans direction and goals. He failed because he was one man, the Ethereals are an entire 1/5 of the people that do his job, and they were manufactured by... someone. There is also that great quote out there about the Tau by Eldrad Ulthran. Anyway... I guess we will see what is happening with them later this year some time. Should be interesting.

I am way more excited about the new stuff for Eldar, I can finally bring my wytches and incubi out of storage and play them if the rules are good, with great new character models!

 Red Corsair wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Unusual Suspect wrote:
"Well, folks, it looks like Abaddon really has the Imperium AND the Eldar on the ropes, and is lifting up his Daemon-Chair, Redneck'nyen for the final knockou-OH MY GOD, Ladies and gentlemen, John Cenork just came out of nowhere to clothesline Abbadon and put him on his back! What an upset! Abbadon's managers must be absolutely furious that he let victory slip from his grasp, mid-swing!"

You just described the end of the Storm of Chaos campaign from a number of years back.

Yea isn't that almost a perfect picture of what Grimgor Ironhide did to Archaon? LMAO


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 nintura wrote:
I would say it's a safe bet that there's no redemption for the Word Bearers

There isn't enough tinfoil in the world to fashion an appropriate hat for that one.

Um, what? Im not posting any tin foil hat stories....

Another snippet...

How many times have they re-used that old picture now? You'd think they'd get some new art for a big thing like this.

 Robin5t wrote:
How many times have they re-used that old picture now? You'd think they'd get some new art for a big thing like this.

They may as well be saving it for... who am I kidding, they spent the art budget (or 95% of it) on space marine artwork.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

 Abanshee wrote:

a fat guy wrote:
I'm really liking how the avatar of Ynnead looks like it's partially corrupted by Slaanesh.

I would like to think that the Eldar did this to mock Slaanesh. Like, maybe he will be the most twisted out of the bunch. Think of it as fighting Slaanesh with her own medicine.

Yeah i really like that too, but mainly because it makes me slightly suspicious. I don't quite buy the 'this is what all eldar psychic constructs look like'.

Khaine doesn't.

But the Eldar didn't create the old Eldar gods - they created Slaanesh and Ynnead

Vorian wrote:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

 Abanshee wrote:

a fat guy wrote:
I'm really liking how the avatar of Ynnead looks like it's partially corrupted by Slaanesh.

I would like to think that the Eldar did this to mock Slaanesh. Like, maybe he will be the most twisted out of the bunch. Think of it as fighting Slaanesh with her own medicine.

Yeah i really like that too, but mainly because it makes me slightly suspicious. I don't quite buy the 'this is what all eldar psychic constructs look like'.

Khaine doesn't.

But the Eldar didn't create the old Eldar gods - they created Slaanesh and Ynnead

What...

Vorian wrote:

Spoiler:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

 Abanshee wrote:

a fat guy wrote:
I'm really liking how the avatar of Ynnead looks like it's partially corrupted by Slaanesh.

I would like to think that the Eldar did this to mock Slaanesh. Like, maybe he will be the most twisted out of the bunch. Think of it as fighting Slaanesh with her own medicine.

Yeah i really like that too, but mainly because it makes me slightly suspicious. I don't quite buy the 'this is what all eldar psychic constructs look like'.

Khaine doesn't.

But the Eldar didn't create the old Eldar gods - they created Slaanesh and Ynnead

And many of their 'gods' may actually just be the Old Ones that created the Aeldari in the first place. The ancient Eldar remembered them to tell and retell their stories. After a few millennia, they just become known as the Eldar pantheon. But in reality, the Eldar gods were merely the Old Ones
Slaanesh, & Ynnead are the only 'gods' we have any proof of. The Avatars of Khaine don't prove Khaine is a god, as they may just be left over technology that the Craftworld Eldar have ritualized and forgotten their true origins. They could be weapons left over from the War in Heaven against the Necrons.

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 Robin5t wrote:
How many times have they re-used that old picture now? You'd think they'd get some new art for a big thing like this.

How can he be a Farseer with eyes that small?! More like Cantseer.

 kronk wrote:

Someone should lure all of the orks into the Eye of Terror and let them slow Abaddon down!

Kryptmann did this with the Tyranids and Orks.

The end result was even bigger, meaner Orks and even bigger, meaner Tyranids.

I'd like to think the Imperium learned from that.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Someone should lure all of the orks into the Eye of Terror and let them slow Abaddon down!

Kryptmann did this with the Tyranids and Orks.

The end result was even bigger, meaner Orks and even bigger, meaner Tyranids.

I'd like to think the Imperium learned from that.

Well these are even bigger and meaner chaos so it may even out. I think it's worth a shot. The important thing is we try.

I love how my naysayers never read anyone's post when they agree or side with me or apologize for being wrong. Just scuttle off into the dark waters. You stay classy.

I have a feeling Tau and Necrons have a good chance of becoming allies. I don't think the Eldar want the Tau there.

 Galef wrote:

Vorian wrote:

Spoiler:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

 Abanshee wrote:

a fat guy wrote:
I'm really liking how the avatar of Ynnead looks like it's partially corrupted by Slaanesh.

I would like to think that the Eldar did this to mock Slaanesh. Like, maybe he will be the most twisted out of the bunch. Think of it as fighting Slaanesh with her own medicine.

Yeah i really like that too, but mainly because it makes me slightly suspicious. I don't quite buy the 'this is what all eldar psychic constructs look like'.

Khaine doesn't.

But the Eldar didn't create the old Eldar gods - they created Slaanesh and Ynnead

And many of their 'gods' may actually just be the Old Ones that created the Aeldari in the first place. The ancient Eldar remembered them to tell and retell their stories. After a few millennia, they just become known as the Eldar pantheon. But in reality, the Eldar gods were merely the Old Ones
Slaanesh, & Ynnead are the only 'gods' we have any proof of. The Avatars of Khaine don't prove Khaine is a god, as they may just be left over technology that the Craftworld Eldar have ritualized and forgotten their true origins. They could be weapons left over from the War in Heaven against the Necrons.

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Well, it's all a bit ill defined now, but the Eldar Gods existed - the Avatars of course, but Cegorach is still there, Isha is in Nurgle's garden.

How they actually fit in with the old ones is left vague, but the Eldar Gods existed before the Eldar, rather than coming into being because of them. Unlike Slaanesh and Ynnead which are reflections of them.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

Yeah i really like that too, but mainly because it makes me slightly suspicious. I don't quite buy the 'this is what all eldar psychic constructs look like'.

Khaine doesn't.

This might be breaking the fluff/actual model wall but I suspect if they re-did the Avatar of Khaine it would have similarities to the Yncarne. It would be more fluid and dynamic and less brick like.

There are limits to what mid-1990s technology could do.

 Gamgee wrote:
I love how my naysayers never read anyone's post when they agree or side with me or apologize for being wrong. Just scuttle off into the dark waters. You stay classy.

I have a feeling Tau and Necrons have a good chance of becoming allies. I don't think the Eldar want the Tau there.

The last time the Tau said that about the Necrons they found themselves getting torn apart atom by atom, being mind-controlled with Scarabs, or being skinned and turned into bloody coats by Flayed Ones.

Somehow I don't see that happening beyond "Allies of Convenience"...

The Tau and their technology will come in at the end and rebuild Cadiz and make it their home world. Chaos goes back into the eye after an irk fleet erupts out of the warp, which in turn is eaten up by the Nids, who in turn is obliterated by the Necrons......the Ultramarines will take credit for all of it .

The Old ones were seemingly immortal, highly psychic and had a great understanding of and link to the warp. The Eldar gods could be "ascended" Old ones, or they could be there creations. If the Old ones were able to create the webway and weaken the boundary between the warp and real space on a galactic scale, who's to say they restricted there creation of life to the material realm?

The Tyranids would be a good foe for the Tau and the Necrons to find common cause against. A large enough Hive fleet invasion could even bring the Imperium to the table.

The eldar gods are NOT old ones. Their war in heaven is different than the necron one.

The codex states explicitly that the eldar have their mythology, but remember the conflict with the necrons alongside their ALLIES the old ones. The old ones taught them to use the webway, the eldar do not believe they were their gods, nor their creators.

Even the necron codex stopped saying "which the eldar call the war in heaven" simply stating it was called the war in heaven. Two separate events, you less you think the eldar WORSHIPPED both the necrons and old ones (which is patently untrue)

/Rant

 Gamgee wrote:
In shared white dwarf preview pictures on a website I won't name showed a little of the book. The eldar are desperately searching for allies. They list off all the factions including the tyranids as possible allies but reject them all and settle on the unreliable IoM. This was discussed some pages back. The Eldar dismissed the Tau as "too young" to help them save the universe from chaos. They didn't even consider Necrons or name them as a possible ally. The one exception to their discussions.

So unless the Tau get squatted and their entire line of models destroyed overnight I think there's a good chance the Tau are getting a book. It's almost impossible it's the next two books after fracture of Bieltan. It might not even take place concurrently or it might even be another book series with other factions. I can't say.

Don't worry tau, tomb kings and Bretonia will keep a seat warm for you. ;P

Posted on Warhammer 40k facebook. Vect you took the words right out of my mouth. Did people really doubt me when I said Dark Eldar were coming. Muahaha. Sometimes being a visionary takes a little madness.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1920/714551.page#9176429

Well, now I know why the eldar forest ruins are $130 USD. It's a lot of plastic, and they have no bases either. They just stand there on their own


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Adding a pic from the WD showing eldar and imperium working side by side this goes hand in hand with the rumors of a boxed set that has marines and dire avengers i saw on facebook from one of the more popular rumor sites