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Warhammer Community wrote:As great as Ragnar and Ghazghkull (and Makari) are, there’s much more to love about this battlebox. You’ll get 10 Primaris Space Marines that can be built as Infiltrators or Incursors, five Ork Nobz and three Ork Meganobz, not to mention an Ammo Runt and a Grot Oiler. Prophecy of the Wolf also includes a 32-page book chock full of art, background material and rules to recreate the culmination of this bloody campaign for yourself.

Nuff said.

 Argive wrote:
So I assume all the ork players are happy to buy this box to do "their bit" to show how xenos armies are selling so maybe possibly they will get some new models eh??? ..

I hope this is sarcasm. No one should feel any obligation to buy things they don't want on the off-chance they might get tossed some scraps in the future.
If that's legitimately how some customers feel, its way past time to walk away, because that isn't healthy or rational.

Voss wrote:

 Argive wrote:
So I assume all the ork players are happy to buy this box to do "their bit" to show how xenos armies are selling so maybe possibly they will get some new models eh??? ..

I hope this is sarcasm. No one should feel any obligation to buy things they don't want on the off-chance they might get tossed some scraps in the future.
If that's legitimately how some customers feel, its way past time to walk away, because that isn't healthy or rational.

Yeah its tounge in cheek and complete lunacy..
There was a certain vocal part of the forum who has been saying exactly this about BOTP...

And what happened with that? When solo boxes came out eldar players were saying "should have bought that after all and sell stuff what I didn't need". Funny thing about discount boxes is you can sell what you don't need and get what you want cheaper than if you buy just what you need.

But it's a hassle to buy mostly things you don't want to get 1 or 2 things you do. Surely you can understand that?

I want Ghaz. I don't want everything else in that box. Selling it all is a waste of time.

Scalped howling banshees and Jain zar were cheaper than retail. I imagine ghaz will be the same.

Gearsby wrote:
Scalped howling banshees and Jain zar were cheaper than retail. I imagine ghaz will be the same.

It depends. I got my Incubi very cheap, but then again people didn't think that Incubi/Banshees would have that fething insane price tag.

Now the people selling these things know better, and I imagine Ghaz won't be cheap.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Gearsby wrote:
Scalped howling banshees and Jain zar were cheaper than retail. I imagine ghaz will be the same.

It depends. I got my Incubi very cheap, but then again people didn't think that Incubi/Banshees would have that fething insane price tag.

Now the people selling these things know better, and I imagine Ghaz won't be cheap.

Ghaz will go for 60 USDs. the same price we paid for Gulliman and Abaddon.

BrianDavion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Gearsby wrote:
Scalped howling banshees and Jain zar were cheaper than retail. I imagine ghaz will be the same.

It depends. I got my Incubi very cheap, but then again people didn't think that Incubi/Banshees would have that fething insane price tag.

Now the people selling these things know better, and I imagine Ghaz won't be cheap.

Ghaz will go for 60 USDs. the same price we paid for Gulliman and Abaddon.

That's optimistic.

Anyone else notice the 28.5mm bases on the GW site?

There’ll be solo releases down the line. eBay exists. It’s a sucky release model but it’s not the only way to get the toys you want.

 ph34r wrote:
Anyone else notice the 28.5mm bases on the GW site?

GW highlighted them being available on their news email last week.

If this is a £90 box then maybe it's okay but any higher...... unless you're a rare person that wants all the content.

Really feels like GW has a bunch of incursers lying in a heap that no one will buy. Neither faction has anything representing what the army is about : Ork hordes vs elite assault troops has turned into elite orks vs marine light infantry...... literally would have been better to dump both respective start collecting in the box with the characters and charge more.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
There’ll be solo releases down the line.

We all know that. Why even bring it up like it means anything?

 JohnnyHell wrote:
eBay exists.

Oh yeah, 'cause eBay is known for its fantastic deals and thrifty prices on models that aren't on general release.

BrianDavion wrote:
Ghaz will go for 60 USDs. the same price we paid for Gulliman and Abaddon.

Yeah. Gulliman came out years ago, and GW tends to increase prices on new things rather than all the things. That's why single clam-pack plastic characters have steadily increased in price since they came out. AUD$70 is the new normal for something I could once buy for less than $30. Remember the days when the Blood Angel Jump Pack Chaplain was considered overpriced compared to normal clampack characters? What naive children we were back then...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
There’ll be solo releases down the line.

We all know that. Why even bring it up like it means anything?

 JohnnyHell wrote:
eBay exists.

Oh yeah, 'cause eBay is known for its fantastic deals and thrifty prices on models that aren't on general release.

Why snip the bit where I said it’s a sucky release model? Because it is. There’s no denying that.

Equally it’s futile to spend days gnashing and raging about this online. I get that people want to buy e.g. Ghaz immediately solo but that isn’t an option. Simply pointing out that the sky isn’t falling and the kit will be along in other ways eventually. There are quite literally bigger issues in the world right now.

 ph34r wrote:
Anyone else notice the 28.5mm bases on the GW site?

Came there along with sisters wave.


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 TwilightSparkles wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Anyone else notice the 28.5mm bases on the GW site?

GW highlighted them being available on their news email last week.

If this is a £90 box then maybe it's okay but any higher...... unless you're a rare person that wants all the content.

Really feels like GW has a bunch of incursers lying in a heap that no one will buy. Neither faction has anything representing what the army is about : Ork hordes vs elite assault troops has turned into elite orks vs marine light infantry...... literally would have been better to dump both respective start collecting in the box with the characters and charge more.

You don't need to want all. Just your side of faction. Getting rid of the other side is dirt easy.

And if you don't want all of your faction get the solo release for higher price than with discount. That's the bloody point of discount boxes. You expect to get ghaz+rest for price of ghaz? lol

You want discount, you buy discount box. You don't want all the stuff in discount box for your faction, you pay higher price for solo box.

This way you get both option to get stuff for discount AND only what you want for higher price but guess some people just want everybody to pay full price and nobody should be allowed to get stuff for discount...

And then people have guts to complain about GW price. Look. If you don't want discount boxes don't even DARE to complain about prices then. If you complain about discount boxes AND prices then you are just hypocrite with zero internal logic.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
There’ll be solo releases down the line.

We all know that. Why even bring it up like it means anything?

I don't want to speak for him or anything but I assume his point is thus; 'if you only want Ghaz' and no other units in the boxed set (what Ork player doesn't want more Meganobz or Makari?) then you either buy and sell this set or you have to wait until the separate release in 3-6 months.'

Such is life I guess. At least the box set route can save money if you manage to flog all the other units.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Anyone else notice the 28.5mm bases on the GW site?

GW highlighted them being available on their news email last week.

If this is a £90 box then maybe it's okay but any higher...... unless you're a rare person that wants all the content.

Really feels like GW has a bunch of incursers lying in a heap that no one will buy. Neither faction has anything representing what the army is about : Ork hordes vs elite assault troops has turned into elite orks vs marine light infantry...... literally would have been better to dump both respective start collecting in the box with the characters and charge more.

While I like the idea of start collecting contents in there you'd only get people going "but I already have all that stuff and don't want more it's a worthless box". I think the idea is the contents in here are a natural expansion to the start collecting boxes, where the sneaky primaris are padded out and the orks get the elite nobz bodyguard thing going on.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
... Ork player doesn't want more Meganobz or Makari?...

*record scratch*

Wait, you think Makari won't be in Ghaz's box when it eventually comes out?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
... Ork player doesn't want more Meganobz or Makari?...

*record scratch*

Wait, you think Makari won't be in Ghaz's box when it eventually comes out?

It'd be weird if he wasn't given the rules interactions and fluff.

It's 140€, got notice from local seller.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
... Ork player doesn't want more Meganobz or Makari?...

*record scratch*

Wait, you think Makari won't be in Ghaz's box when it eventually comes out?

Well, this guy is also a thing, so I guess it's not impossible.

 smurfORnot wrote:
It's 140€, got notice from local seller.

Can't for the life of me find a product on the GW webstore that's in the 140€ price bracket. Lot of 145€ and 120€ though.

Found a 40€ and a 100€ item though, giving us an Oz equivalency of AUD$234. That's mighty expensive, but far below the $350-$390 I was expecting. Maybe they did learn something from that absurd Blood of the Phoenix Box.

Or they'll use the Kungflu as an excuse to go "Uhh! Fluctuating exchange rates!" and release it at AUD$390 anyway...

 Jidmah wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
... Ork player doesn't want more Meganobz or Makari?...

*record scratch*

Wait, you think Makari won't be in Ghaz's box when it eventually comes out?

Well, this guy is also a thing, so I guess it's not impossible.

Though that one you can have as many as you have plague marine squads so limited mostly just points.

Pretty sure Makari is unique so max 1 of those.

It would be pretty unreasonable to have plague marine icon bearer in combo box with expensive special character. For Makari it makes perfect sense.

Though separate allows GW charge 20£ for gobbo model so guess that's where GW will go...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 smurfORnot wrote:
It's 140€, got notice from local seller.

Can't for the life of me find a product on the GW webstore that's in the 140€ price bracket. Lot of 145€ and 120€ though.

Found a 40€ and a 100€ item though, giving us an Oz equivalency of AUD$234. That's mighty expensive, but far below the $350-$390 I was expecting. Maybe they did learn something from that absurd Blood of the Phoenix Box.

Or they'll use the Kungflu as an excuse to go "Uhh! Fluctuating exchange rates!" and release it at AUD$390 anyway...

Hate to burst your bubble but the €145 battleforces are $310 in Australia. A $300 price point seems likely.

yeh combining prices of different products don't work well either with GW exchange rate systems.

But 140e is lot more reasonable than I was expecting. Good good. 70e for ork half isn't too bad

edit: Actually it's suspiciously cheap. I would get ghaz for free and tiny discount on the rest of orks...

tneva82 wrote:
yeh combining prices of different products don't work well either with GW exchange rate systems.

But 140e is lot more reasonable than I was expecting. Good good. 70e for ork half isn't too bad

edit: Actually it's suspiciously cheap. I would get ghaz for free and tiny discount on the rest of orks...

could be GW's learned from reaction to BOP?

The value split isn't 50/50 though Tneva. The SM part is 45 euro + like 32.5 euro (that's mephistons cost, so probably same for Ragnar) so that's not a bargain at all for SM players really. I'm sure you could sell them those parts for 70euro but I'd feel bad if it's someone I know seeing as the ork side is where the bargain is at..

Orks is 49 (MANZ) + 22.5 (Nobz) + easily 50 (Ghaz)

yeh combining prices of different products don't work well either with GW exchange rate systems.

But 140e is lot more reasonable than I was expecting. Good good. 70e for ork half isn't too bad

edit: Actually it's suspiciously cheap. I would get ghaz for free and tiny discount on the rest of orks...

Because the Marine side is 45e for the Infiltrators, and 32.5e for the character. The Orks are well over half of the box. Add to that I don't think the Infiltrators will sell as well as many others seem to think. And while Ragnar will get snapped up by quite a few SW players, not many other Marine players will want him.

This is why I keep saying this looks like a huge miss from my perspective.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
... Ork player doesn't want more Meganobz or Makari?...

*record scratch*

Wait, you think Makari won't be in Ghaz's box when it eventually comes out?

I expect him to be a separate 25 euro clampack release.

Chikout wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble but the €145 battleforces are $310 in Australia. A $300 price point seems likely.

Whose bubble are you bursting exactly? If anything that makes what I'm saying worse. $300? That'd be nuts.