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**LunarSol**

Tomsug wrote:
And you are right. Fresh point updates and FAQs dropped right now and there is no point change in our units and no rule change.

The only one is “change” on tankbustas but everybody pays 120p already so it is no change at all.

Breaka Boyz were also added. I forgot they came out after the last MFM update.

**Jidmah**

Forceride wrote:
Not a fan of footslogging on 2k points , there is just too much stuff that can clear 1w low save units.

On the other hand, has a lot of use at 1kpts, funny as that is.

Another thing i do not like, is the sacrifice of move, transports, if used well can provide with a nice shell, and force opponent to give up a charge, or if it consolidates into you, provide a free fight phase with no retaliation.

The awesome part about the new detachment is IMO that most valuable units are actually 2W/4+, which is not as easy to clear as regular boyz, especially when you drop permanent cover and -1 to hit on it. Nobz, Flash Gits, Tank Bustas and Breaka Boyz are all great units who can pull their own weight. Being able to run infantry lists without worrying about my back hurting from moving 200+ models is huge boon to me.

**Tomsug**

Nice portion on ork lists on the top places in last CI - Tactical, Wartribe and Green tide too. New units on a rise!

https://www.goonhammer.com/40k-competitive-innovations-in-10th-excessive-krumpin-pt-2/

Denver 40K Fight Club January Open 2025 - Joel Davis – Orks (Green Tide) - 1st - no new units and the old detachement btw.

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Michael Mann – Orks (Taktikal Brigade) – 2nd Place (Undefeated) - no kommandos, MA Mek kaptin Flashgitz, 3xSAG + TB, more FG and Burna Boyz and tripple Warboss & PK Nobz kombo

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The Brawl GT – Beachhead Warm Up! - Joshua Cowlard – Orks (War Horde) – 1st Place - a LOT of Trukks and nice mix on old and new units

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Warpstorm - Mark Morrow – Orks (Taktikal Brigade) – 1st Place

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**Jidmah**

Does anyone know why burna boyz keep popping up everywhere?

It's not like they are terrible, but it feels odd to see them in so many high placing taktiks lists now.

**Tomsug**

They fit with 5Nobz+ Warboss in the trukk (same like 5 Flashgitz but cheaper). You drive forward, use them to clean the screens and use them like ablative wounds if the transport is destroied. Keeps your Nobz safe and makes them the way.

If the trukk stays alive, they became fast moving shooting platform good to deal with all kind light scoring units.

They works the same with the Breacha Boyz.

They are basicly the cheapest* 5 body infantry to fill the space. And on the end of the they, you have a limit 2000p and sudenly you wana spare 20p so you take the Burnas instead of Flashgitz.

* Lootas are cheaper but sucks in this rule due HEAVY

**Afrodactyl**

As Tomsug said, they clearly chaff fairly well which Nobz and Breaka Boyz aren't amazing at clearing, and they're dirty cheap.

Disembark near an objective, cook what's on it and sit tight to score points while the Nobz/Breakaz go wandering off finding something big to punch.

**Jidmah**

So the meta just shifted to have more chaff around?

I'm not questioning their usefulness, it's just odd that a unit was nowhere to be seen for pretty much all of the current competitive pack and suddenly it starts popping up everywhere, despite it not receiving a single buff or benefitting from the detachment they are primarily used in.

As for lootas, I highly doubt that heavy is the problem. We are talking about 3 deff gunz here, so best case 1-2 additional hits for standing still on an AP-1 gun.Lootas also get re-rolls on their KMBs, while burnas don't, and you could buff +1 to hit from a nearby character if you really needed it (you don't). We need to stop freaking out over heavy like it's still 7th edition.

The only reason for burnas to come out on top is if you actually need the profiles burnas and cutting flames are providing, which was not the case so far. Which is why I'm asking.

**Tomsug**

The harvest of ork lists placed on tops is not finished this week! And it' s very interesting, becuase hardly see the similar list twice!

Competitive Innovation vol 3 dropped down with the following warbosses:

https://www.goonhammer.com/40k-competitive-innovations-in-10th-excessive-krumpin-pt-3/

Exterminatus X Big Ben 10 - Michael House - 8th - Bully Boyz with just single MAN unit and double Breacha Boyz

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A Grimdark New Years, SGA Finals - Mark Perry - 1st - Tactical Brigade with the Morkanaut (something for Jidmah!) and tripple Tankbustas

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Hawaii “War on the Shore” Charity GT 2025 - Doug Johnson - Bully Boyz built around 2 small squads of squig riders with Beastbos on saur and Mozdrog, Ghazzy and 3x5 MANz

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So it is 7 list total of 4 different detachements out of 7. And each of them has it' s own style. I love this phase of the meta!

**Forceride**

Jidmah wrote:
So the meta just shifted to have more chaff around?

I'm not questioning their usefulness, it's just odd that a unit was nowhere to be seen for pretty much all of the current competitive pack and suddenly it starts popping up everywhere, despite it not receiving a single buff or benefitting from the detachment they are primarily used in.

Actually makes sense, in a heavy mechanized meta, you bring chaff to bog down and increase transit. The added benefit is, it also cover's for first charge and objective control. I also believe people are realising that being tough sacrifices having presence in the map, this is a major death kneel.

I suspect we are having so much sucess tourney wise because of this. We are mostly half mechanized and now, finally, we have tools to deal with those high T.

It's funny but i think the meta is coming full circle. I fully expect elite infantry to gain relevance at this rate.

Also no faction expects ork shooting being decent. I feel we are in a amazing spot where we are a flexible threat.

**Afrodactyl**

I agree, every few years Orks are able to put out a really potent shooting list that blows people out of the water and upsets the meta.

We're also still solid at melee, even in a shooting list, which is icing on the cake.

**Jidmah**

A Grimdark New Years, SGA Finals - Mark Perry - 1st - Tactical Brigade with the Morkanaut (something for Jidmah!) and tripple Tankbustas

True, that totally looks like a list I would run, and I actually have all the models to do so

It might be the first time in a decade that I get accused of copying lists off the internet

**Forceride**

I heard someone won using a blob of shoota boyz.

Was i sleeping awake? I think i have the youtube video..

**Afrodactyl**

Forceride wrote:
I heard someone won using a blob of shoota boyz.

Was i sleeping awake? I think i have the youtube video..

Shoota Boyz to a million points for ten in the next points update

**Forceride**

Afrodactyl wrote:
Forceride wrote:
I heard someone won using a blob of shoota boyz.

Was i sleeping awake? I think i have the youtube video..

Shoota Boyz to a million points for ten in the next points update

AHAHAH, knowing how 40k community knee jerk reaction is, that would not be far off.

https://www.youtube.com/live/9Ee9La9iHRQ?si=YDqcrmGh7L3fChB5

found the video.

**Jidmah**

Good video. It's very telling that so many veteran ork players suddenly start winning events once the codex even remotely starts moving towards the "good" territory.

Tank bustas are absolutely catching a nerf though. There is just no reason not to bring 3x6 in any list you play, regardless of detachment.

**Grimskul**

Yep, gotta enjoy it while it lasts. When Ork dakka actually hits, it hits HARD. I was able to basically almost one-shot an Avatar of Khaine with a single unit of tankbustas due to above average rolls, which absolutely shocked my friend who plays Eldar, because for pretty much this whole edition, my range could do diddly to him.

Knowing GW and how much whinging most tourney meta chasers do when Orks do remotely well, I expect the nerfhammer to be quite severe, so lock and load the tankbustas before the inevitable balance update!

**Afrodactyl**

Orks didn't do much at LVO or anywhere else over the weekend. Chances of us catching a hefty nerf are dwindling. Taktikal dropped down to 50ish percent and everything else into the 40s or lower.

Maybe Tankbustas and/or Shock Attack Guns getting a bump, but I can't see us getting huge nerfs after only having one blow out weekend.

**Jidmah**

Auto-takes for any faction tend to get a nerf under the new balancing approach. If something pops up in every list irrespective of that list's strategy, that unit is overperforming.

In my games, it's completely obvious that tankbustas are the game changer that makes me steamroll my enemies - the taktiks, the Badrukk enhancement and the stratagems are nice, but none of that would matter if I had to work with lootas or mek guns instead of tankbustas.

**Forceride**

Also expecting this. But this is flamers of tzetch issue from 9th all over again, no matter the cost people will just auto take. The issue isn't cost, it's that we currently have no viable better alternatives to it. So will always default to the unit and cut or downgrade the other stuff.

I am already considering a 125~ hole for the nerfs, more if needed. And i am not even abusing them.

I honestly hope GW realises our issue is not nerfs but lack of options, this smells meganobz and greentide debacle all over again

**Jidmah**

I don't think the flamers of tzeench comparison is accurate, tank bustas are just rokkits, you can get that all over the army. The one thing tankbustas have over any other rokkits and KMBs is +1 to wound and extra AP, which does make a big difference exactly the type certain targets we struggle against. That's not why people are running them though. They are running them because 195 points invested in SAG+6 Tankbustas provide more firepower than 250+ points invested in any other unit sporting comparable guns.

You can probably dig through this thread and find me saying that a unit that provides too many rokkits per points will always be a problem multiple times, and I still stand by that. Tank hammer tax should have stayed, I'm not sure the unit can be balanced as it is now. In the past, tankbustas with all rokkits have never been anything other than crap or must-takes.

I also don't think that nerfing meganobz was unjustified, double nerfing them was a mistake and GW did go back on that.

Green tide was not nerfed for balancing reasons.

**Forceride**

Jidmah wrote:
I don't think the flamers of tzeench comparison is accurate, tank bustas are just rokkits, you can get that all over the army. The one thing tankbustas have over any other rokkits and KMBs is +1 to wound and extra AP, which does make a big difference exactly the type certain targets we struggle against. That's not why people are running them though. They are running them because 195 points invested in SAG+6 Tankbustas provide more firepower than 250+ points invested in any other unit sporting comparable guns.

You can probably dig through this thread and find me saying that a unit that provides too many rokkits per points will always be a problem multiple times, and I still stand by that. Tank hammer tax should have stayed, I'm not sure the unit can be balanced as it is now. In the past, tankbustas with all rokkits have never been anything other than crap or must-takes.

I also don't think that nerfing meganobz was unjustified, double nerfing them was a mistake and GW did go back on that.

Green tide was not nerfed for balancing reasons.

I have to say, that despite what you mention there are similarities in the flamers from 9th argument, they were auto takes that nothing else in the army could replace them, since they did something the rest could not, but i think i understand where your coming from, since like you mentioned, the issue is the ability and the rocket ability (1S -1AP) not the datasheet like the flamers.. not sure the number of rocket's truly takes them over the edge (5d+2+blast), but a combination makes a perfect storm. Maybe the best example was the defkoptas some list were spamming at the time, although i never felt they were broken or that they did anything the army did not have other tools available.. I still think nerfing them is too premature, the stats coming out (Auspex made a video recently) are painting a very different picture as the meta shifts. We did get a honorable mention but we are far off the radar(48%).

My argument on meganobz and greentide was GW taking the shotgun approach, on something that only needed tweaks like you pointed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=depZKLvrGv8&t=1966s
data from here: https://40kmetamonday.wordpress.com/

Who knows maybe GW realizes that cost decreases on kans and koptas are valid since tankbustas exist

re-reading what i wrote i think i come to the conclusion that i should be more explicit, i will try to do so in the future.
Anyway, good discussion, i think there is still a lot of discussion on tankbustas but i need to get some lists done for Saturday casual morning games, who knows maybe i will come up with another rant, in the meantime krump a lot ork gents.

PS.: Am i reading right or does the Tankbusta ability also affect the SAG? Since it mentions model in the unit? That's kinda op

**Grimskul**

Forceride wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
I don't think the flamers of tzeench comparison is accurate, tank bustas are just rokkits, you can get that all over the army. The one thing tankbustas have over any other rokkits and KMBs is +1 to wound and extra AP, which does make a big difference exactly the type certain targets we struggle against. That's not why people are running them though. They are running them because 195 points invested in SAG+6 Tankbustas provide more firepower than 250+ points invested in any other unit sporting comparable guns.

You can probably dig through this thread and find me saying that a unit that provides too many rokkits per points will always be a problem multiple times, and I still stand by that. Tank hammer tax should have stayed, I'm not sure the unit can be balanced as it is now. In the past, tankbustas with all rokkits have never been anything other than crap or must-takes.

I also don't think that nerfing meganobz was unjustified, double nerfing them was a mistake and GW did go back on that.

Green tide was not nerfed for balancing reasons.

I have to say, that despite what you mention there are similarities in the flamers from 9th argument, they were auto takes that nothing else in the army could replace them, since they did something the rest could not, but i think i understand where your coming from, since like you mentioned, the issue is the ability and the rocket ability (1S -1AP) not the datasheet like the flamers.. not sure the number of rocket's truly takes them over the edge (5d+2+blast), but a combination makes a perfect storm. Maybe the best example was the defkoptas some list were spamming at the time, although i never felt they were broken or that they did anything the army did not have other tools available.. I still think nerfing them is too premature, the stats coming out (Auspex made a video recently) are painting a very different picture as the meta shifts. We did get a honorable mention but we are far off the radar(48%).

My argument on meganobz and greentide was GW taking the shotgun approach, on something that only needed tweaks like you pointed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=depZKLvrGv8&t=1966s
data from here: https://40kmetamonday.wordpress.com/

Who knows maybe GW realizes that cost decreases on kans and koptas are valid since tankbustas exist

re-reading what i wrote i think i come to the conclusion that i should be more explicit, i will try to do so in the future.
Anyway, good discussion, i think there is still a lot of discussion on tankbustas but i need to get some lists done for Saturday casual morning games, who knows maybe i will come up with another rant, in the meantime krump a lot ork gents.

PS.: Am i reading right or does the Tankbusta ability also affect the SAG? Since it mentions model in the unit? That's kinda op

Yes, the tankbusta ability affects the SAG, that's how it works for most units that have a unit-wide rule that applies to the whole unit versus if it specifies the unit models directly. Part of the reason why SAG is actually worth taking with them.

**Forceride**

Well that flew over my head! Been playing them inefficiently then. Thx.

**Grimskul**

Forceride wrote:
Well that flew over my head! Been playing them inefficiently then. Thx.

Np, something easy to miss since it's more of a 10th ed specific ruling, in most editions in the past it was usually the HQ unit that passed on stuff to the unit but didn't get many rules from the actual unit they joined themselves. Definitely easy to miss, I can't count how many times I've forgotten to apply the reroll hits to my BeastBoss on Foot as well when I charge a vehicle/monster in a Beast Snagga boy unit.

**Tomsug**

This week just a single warboss in CI - taktikal brigade with deffkoptas

First Assault! - Jouni Haavisto / MUKIHAMMER - 2nd place

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**Jidmah**

Whelp, another tripple SAG+tankbustas win...

**Grimskul**

With the eldar codex leaks in full force, any thoughts on how much it'll shape the meta and how much of a counter-pick Orks will be against them? Panzee armies typically are all about mobility and GW have seem to curtailed a bit more on it just being the "Devastating Wound Spam" glass cannon army, but some things look legit scary, like the new shining spears and the new Warp Spider Phoenix Lord and their alpha strike potential. Fire dragons with Fuegan are going to be overkill in my opinion against our army since I feel like we've moved away from having Kill Rigs and Battlewagons spammed as an army, so we're not the ideal army for them to use against. I'm more concerned against 10 man Dark Reaper squads and the smaller sleeper hit of 10 man Dire Avengers in a Falcon with Asurmen, since they can easily snipe out our characters and have enough weight of fire to clear a lot of our infantry while staying safe in their transport.

Ork armies usually play under Pressure Lists, so I feel like we can take advantage of the general lack of ability for Eldar to challenge the primaries of objectives in the early game to put them in their deployment zone, though I feel like it might mirror games in the past where we run out of gas later in the game, but are ahead on primaries and some secondaries that we end up winning even though most of our army is dead by the end of the game.

**Jidmah**

Eldar have never given me much trouble this edition, even when they were at their peak. Their primary weakness is still choppas and klaws, and units of 10 aspect warriors is just one more thing that gets completely devastated by tank bustas.

Their melee units got a glow up, but still lack the ability to defeat nobz, MANz, breaka boyz or beastsnagga in one turn, and they absolutely can't take a hit back.

Strands of fate gone also means no more auto-sixes for damage, making our characters and vehicles much harder to kill for them, despite all the anti and precision shenanigans.

Their movement shenanigans are absolutely going to be a pain in the ass in competitive for low unit count armies like many taktiks lists tend to be. But I assume we will just adapt to have less elite units with characters in our lists.

**Afrodactyl**

I agree. Our movement is good, but Eldar look like they're on another level.

The issues we'll likely face are 1 - catching them, and 2 - having enough left on the table to do damage after we've caught them.

I forsee more Green Tide esque lists popping up to just drown the board in targets, bully our way into the mid table and deny space for movement shenanigans.

**Tomsug**

There will be some green tide lists this week but the the most interesting hit is this - Stompa in action on Uprising (178 players, Australia) and won 6 out of 8 games. Text is sritten by the Warboss himself

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