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 Melissia wrote:
A lot of people used and loved Celestine, The Living Saint, and this is ESPECIALLY true of the painting and modding scene-- she was and remains one of the most popular showcase miniatures from GW's lineup. While yes, a lot of people also didn't use her, that doesn't take away from the fact that she was actually pretty popular.

A lot of people didn't use her
Actually pretty popular

You get one.

While losing Servo Skulls isn't great, it definitely hurts Eldar lists that took 50 points out of their list to ensure you couldn't get anywhere near their bikes. It is a blessing in disguise.

And we're back to arguing about plastic sisters again...

Just want to remind all concerned that these exist

http://dreamforge-games.com/collections/infantry/products/eisenkern-panzerjagers-10-female-tank-hunters


Great models, plastic, easy to convert.

Are they GW Plastic Battle Sisters, no.

But there comes a time you have to get out of an abusive relationship and see someone else.




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Considering editing the title to read 'hope is the beginning of disappointment'

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
A lot of people didn't use her
Actually pretty popular

You get one.

False dichotomy. If, say, a third of players used Celestine, then it is true that she was pretty popular, AND it is true that a lot of people didn't use her.




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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Are they GW Plastic Battle Sisters, no.

Actually they look more like they'd be suited for female Scions.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
A lot of people used and loved Celestine, The Living Saint, and this is ESPECIALLY true of the painting and modding scene-- she was and remains one of the most popular showcase miniatures from GW's lineup. While yes, a lot of people also didn't use her, that doesn't take away from the fact that she was actually pretty popular.

A lot of people didn't use her
Actually pretty popular

You get one.

While losing Servo Skulls isn't great, it definitely hurts Eldar lists that took 50 points out of their list to ensure you couldn't get anywhere near their bikes. It is a blessing in disguise.

It's just stupid to remove a model for no reason that players use. They made this same bad decision with Imperial Guard as well. It takes no effort on their part to keep Celestine in the book.

 oldzoggy wrote:
I couldn't care less for those servo skulls ; )
They are the reason tournament players abuse my codex, and to be honest they are nearly useless in most casual games.

I do however care a lot for things like my inquisitor ( and thus my T3 warlord) no longer being able to leave his unit, or if somehow the henchmen squad no longer works the way it used to do.

Where do you see that an inquisitor can't leave his unit. Its just the former henchmen parts that need to be in the same unit when taking the special inquisition formation

She went last chance to buy didn't she? Which would mean she was OoP

 BBAP wrote:


To me, it smells a lot like the GW creative team are just not digging the Sisters at all - they're going through the motions with them, that's all. A lack of interest at GW creative was what did for the Squats. None of this is suggestive of an upwards trajectory for the Sisters of Battle in 40k.

Don't blame them, judging by this thread and the spoilt attitude of the fanbase.




When is something going to be released then? I'd be curious to see these plastics, see if they are any use for Antares or in Rogue Stars.

 gorgon wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, while I don't really expect much at this point, let's be fair-- the rumors said the first few months of 2017, not in December. So if they ARE true it's not happening this year anyway.

That fact seems to be something people aren't grasping. They want them HERE and NOW after waiting since 2001 (apparently)

Yeah, what's painfully obvious and yet seems to be missed by certain people here is that this release isn't a 'Sisters release'. It's for 'Imperial Agents,' just as it says on the cover. And because of how it handles GKs, etc., it's very clear that it doesn't invalidate the possibility of a legit Sisters release down the road.

No one is failing to grasp that.... it's just them pushing old metal Sisters in a new release reducing the chance of plastic Sisters in the near future.

terry wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
I couldn't care less for those servo skulls ; )
They are the reason tournament players abuse my codex, and to be honest they are nearly useless in most casual games.

I do however care a lot for things like my inquisitor ( and thus my T3 warlord) no longer being able to leave his unit, or if somehow the henchmen squad no longer works the way it used to do.

Where do you see that an inquisitor can't leave his unit. Its just the former henchmen parts that need to be in the same unit when taking the special inquisition formation

it all depends on the wording it might be that the inq has to be part of the unit or that no model can leave and join it.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, while I don't really expect much at this point, let's be fair-- the rumors said the first few months of 2017, not in December. So if they ARE true it's not happening this year anyway.

That fact seems to be something people aren't grasping. They want them HERE and NOW after waiting since 2001 (apparently)

Yeah, what's painfully obvious and yet seems to be missed by certain people here is that this release isn't a 'Sisters release'. It's for 'Imperial Agents,' just as it says on the cover. And because of how it handles GKs, etc., it's very clear that it doesn't invalidate the possibility of a legit Sisters release down the road.

No one is failing to grasp that.... it's just them pushing old metal Sisters in a new release reducing the chance of plastic Sisters in the near future.

It doesn't, does it? It just means GW can sell some of what they already have before replacing it with the new.

If this were the case I'd expect last chance icons on a lot more than just celestine

Its possible they could be staggering it, but unlikely. As they brought back imolators to the store.

S.Y.

 StupidYellow wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Not only would that be stupid beyond belief, we have confirmation from Atia.

This release is still baffling none the less

Except now shes backpedaling like no tomorrow. As are people on 4chan.

Quite frankly that warhammer tv thing was a spiteful joke. They should just come out and admit it.

Some still hope its February but from what I am hearing its not its AoS related stuff then.

S.Y.

Quote or link to this backpeddling?


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For Atia not 4chan

its attached

sorry for the obnoxious parts but its direct from a 4chan thread.

you can read it two ways but its obvious to those who know gw sisters are now just waiting for 8th to be written off

S.Y.

I see no back peddling, I see someone trying to get Atia to commit to a time frame or date and we already know that she will not and can not do that.
She did not change and say "well I may have been misinformed". She is still a believer.

Vorian wrote:
"There should be more plastic sisters on the way" is backpedaling?

lol and that was my question to her. So no backpedaling then.

I like the blob formation

So Ordo Malleus with Grey Knight Terminators and Death Cult Assasins? Seems I found my CC unit for my army. Termies seem better than Crusaders.

Ordo xenos with monkeys and Deathwatch that's my long range now.

What to combo with the Sisters?

Maybe I missed this somewhere in the thread, but are Inquisition acolytes still BS 3? Also, psybolt ammo on Chimeras?

 pretre wrote:

Vorian wrote:
"There should be more plastic sisters on the way" is backpedaling?

lol and that was my question to her. So no backpedaling then.

From yes to should but no eta IS going back.

S.Y.

Some good (ish) news on this thread.

Canoness will be back in stock 'soon'

Better than a sharp poke in the eye at any rate.

 StupidYellow wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Vorian wrote:
"There should be more plastic sisters on the way" is backpedaling?

lol and that was my question to her. So no backpedaling then.

From yes to should but no eta IS going back.

S.Y.

Her previous statement on Sisters:

PENDING Sisters Rumors - October 2016
Someguy: Wait, they weren't joking when they talked about Sisters of Battle?
Atia: Nope


edit: Do a bit of research before making definitive statements. Unless you happen to have a link to her saying something different, in which case I would love to see it so I can update the tracker.

Are immolators really 90 points?? Why the nerf :( WHYYYY

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Are immolators really 90 points?? Why the nerf :( WHYYYY

No, that was someone saying that you could get one for only 90 points by taking 2 15 point DCA with a 60 point immolator.

We haven't seen the datasheet for Immos though yet.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, while I don't really expect much at this point, let's be fair-- the rumors said the first few months of 2017, not in December. So if they ARE true it's not happening this year anyway.

That fact seems to be something people aren't grasping. They want them HERE and NOW after waiting since 2001 (apparently)

Yeah, what's painfully obvious and yet seems to be missed by certain people here is that this release isn't a 'Sisters release'. It's for 'Imperial Agents,' just as it says on the cover. And because of how it handles GKs, etc., it's very clear that it doesn't invalidate the possibility of a legit Sisters release down the road.

No one is failing to grasp that.... it's just them pushing old metal Sisters in a new release reducing the chance of plastic Sisters in the near future.

By saying that 'A' must affect 'B', then you are in fact falling into the trap of connecting the two. And it isn't clear at all that this is the case.

Turn it around -- would it be "better" for GW to release this book and have no Sisters model support accompanying it?

 pretre wrote:

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Are immolators really 90 points?? Why the nerf :( WHYYYY

No, that was someone saying that you could get one for only 90 points by taking 2 15 point DCA with a 60 point immolator.

We haven't seen the datasheet for Immos though yet.

And of course the 90 point immolator becomes an elite slot you would otherwise have no use for. So it doesn't even take up a useful slot!

 mmzero252 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Are immolators really 90 points?? Why the nerf :( WHYYYY

No, that was someone saying that you could get one for only 90 points by taking 2 15 point DCA with a 60 point immolator.

We haven't seen the datasheet for Immos though yet.

And of course the 90 point immolator becomes an elite slot you would otherwise have no use for. So it doesn't even take up a useful slot!

Yeah, from an immo spam perspective, it is a buff.

 pretre wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Vorian wrote:
"There should be more plastic sisters on the way" is backpedaling?

lol and that was my question to her. So no backpedaling then.

From yes to should but no eta IS going back.

S.Y.

Her previous statement on Sisters:

PENDING Sisters Rumors - October 2016
Someguy: Wait, they weren't joking when they talked about Sisters of Battle?
Atia: Nope

That could mean anything. Technically the canoness is new, so if push came to shove she could point to it.

I'm sure she said yes but as you track these things okay fine. She said they weren't joking. Which basically meant yes correct?. Now it's oh no time frame, hedging bets? Misinformed?
It's damage control.

Unless I see sprues then ill take it as read.

S.Y.

 oldzoggy wrote:
I couldn't care less for those servo skulls ; )

+1

Remember when they used to just be Henchmen that gave you an extra psychic power slot?

pm713 wrote:
You can go on about lack of interest with so many factions....

Go on then. Show, don't tell, and all that.

Lots of other armies have been slow to update, but GW's lack of interest in Sisters is pernicious rather than lazy. Tyranids are largely in the same boat - two armies that'll never get deleted from the roster, just ignored and copy-pasted into irrelevance

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Are they GW Plastic Battle Sisters, no.

There's your problem. People want plastic Sisters of Battle, not plastic "female sci fi troopers in generic heavy armour". They're nice sculpts but Sisters they ain't, and considering people want plastic Sisters for convenience reasons I'm not sure their convertability is particularly relevant. There's a Russia-cast company that makes really good plastic Sisters too, so conversion is unecessary.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Don't blame them, judging by this thread and the spoilt attitude of the fanbase.

Make the effort or I'll stop buying your gak. Not sure how I see that's "spoiled". Projecting, maybe?

It is becoming ever more clear (if that was possible) that there is no one at GW who is invested or even slightly interested is Sisters! This C:IA is... what is the exact opposite of inspiring? Uninspiring doesn't cut it! And what really boggles the mind is that they could have done so much by doing so little.

As an experiment, let us see what I could come up with while writing? I will simply write what pops in to mind, and thus I won't cover all units.

Overall army change. All (unless otherwise stated) SoB infantry -1ppm reduction in order to balance the power creep of other dexes.

Faith. A return to the old faith system. We could even keep the current acts (just to keep things simple), but each unit with the Shield of Faith-special rule adds one faith point to a pool. These are spent as the player chooses to enact acts of faith. Each unit killed becomes a martyr and adds a faith point. Makes the faith system a bit more tactical. A simulacrum gives the unit a re-roll to the ld-test.

Canoness: -5p, gets the option for jump packs back. Otherwise stays the same, but gets the special rule: “Defender of the Faith” – When a Canoness joins another unit with the SoF-special rule, the 6++ improves to a 5++ (including the Canoness herself). Power weapon for 5p, not 15. She has strength 3!

Priests and Battle conclave: Keep as is.

Repentias: -1ppm, Move through cover. If joined by a Priest, the Priest gains the Defender of Faith-special rule.

Basic Sisters: -1ppm, Superiors gets option for Eviscerator.

Seraphims: -1ppm, Superiors gets option for Eviscerator. Superior gets option for a Single hand flamer or Inferno pistol. Re-rolls Hit and run.

Dominions: -1ppm, If armed with flamer, act of faith gives Shred instead of Ignores cover.

Celestians: -1ppm, No idea how to make this a better unit? 5p power weapons?

Retributor: -1ppm, Otherwise stays the same (better with new [old] faith system).

Exorcist: Stays the same.

Penitent Engine: -5p, +1A (Dreads got +2 for free), Hatred, Fleet.

And now my brain went into overdrive. What would give our army an even more unique feel AND would be easy and cost efficient for GW to produce as a single box with an upgrade sprue. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the extended Immolator family! First of, the:

Immolator: -5p, comes with TL-Heavy bolters, can be changed into Heavy flamers for free or upgraded to a Multi melta for 5p.

Aggressor: -10p, Transport capacity: six models, NO weapons (to make room for the assault ramp), assault vehicle, extra armour, frag assault launcher, fast. No fire points. 12/11/10.

Dominatrix: -10p,Transport capacity: six models, comes with a Storm bolter that can be changed into a Flamer for free, or upgraded to a Melta gun for 5p, extra armour, “Cupola – up to four models may fire from the raised dome of the vehicle.” “Rumbling pillbox-Special rule = The vehicle gains the Heavy special rule and any unit it transports gains the Relentless-special rule. 13/12/11.

This took me... what, 20 minutes? Did anyone at GW spend even this much time? Did anyone spend any effort? Did anyone care? I don't think it would make Sisters over powered and it would have been a nice, gentle boost to combat the monstrosities that are Eldar, SM and Necrons. Whatever formations and stuff we could have had, that is another story and would have taken too long to think about.

What do you people of Dakka think? Wouldn't you rather have seen this instead of the mediocre misfortune that is C:IA?

Agusto

 StupidYellow wrote:

That could mean anything. Technically the canoness is new, so if push came to shove she could point to it.

I'm sure she said yes but as you track these things okay fine. She said they weren't joking. Which basically meant yes correct?. Now it's oh no time frame, hedging bets? Misinformed?
It's damage control.

Unless I see sprues then ill take it as read.

S.Y.

I think it is clear that she never gave a timeframe or details, simply that they were not joking. That being said, if you want to discuss Atia's record or any specific track, we can take it to the Ongoing Rumor accuracy thread which is linked in my sig and stop polluting this one.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
I don't play GW games. Don't know why you assume that I love GW.

Why are you here at all then?

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
It doesn't, does it? It just means GW can sell some of what they already have before replacing it with the new.

Didn't stop them from making new tacticals, devs, and assault marine kits. Didn't stop them from making new crisis suits.

All were consistently good sellers with a reasonably good kits (the crisis suit was worst by far, to be fair...) and they all transitioned to even better kits while sisters players were convinced their plastics were finally just about to be announced at last.

Versatilebeats wrote:
I like the blob formation

So Ordo Malleus with Grey Knight Terminators and Death Cult Assasins? Seems I found my CC unit for my army. Termies seem better than Crusaders.

Ordo xenos with monkeys and Deathwatch that's my long range now.

What to combo with the Sisters?

DC assassins for more Immolator spam, plus Exorcists plus still more Immolator? If the psyocculus is still a thing, plug it into an Inquisitor and plug that Inquisitor into something with range and murderous damage. Throw in priests and spam arco-flagellants for that authentic witch hunters feel.

Agusto wrote:
As an experiment, let us see what I could come up with while writing? I will simply write what pops in to mind, and thus I won't cover all units.

It's been tried before, but because the world is full of ego-boos this kind of fandex stuff rarely flies for long. There are already some really good Sisters fan-dexes kicking about, but if it's not rubber-stamped by GW nobody cares.