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Oh, wait. I think I misread this. I saw it as "there are four numbers in the profile that are different than what they were before", rather than "there are only four distinct numbers used to make their new profile".

Okay. T7 I'm not -too- broken up about. Still disappointing, but I suppose I couldn'tve expected to keep T8 and be invulnerable to small arms fire and Space Marine fists.
I suspect that 6th Edition will make 6s always wound anyway, like Fantasy has done.

yakface wrote:

Blink wrote:C'tan are the main thing I'm interested in. The phrase "slightly" worse Yak said worries me. I'm fearful for how "slight" it might have been. I am REALLY hoping for T7.

Let's keep in mind that the old C'Tan were around 300 points and the new ones (without any manifestations) are under 200.

So with that established I'll just say that there are only 4 different characteristic values in the C'Tan shard profile and they are:

4, 5, 7, 10


Now, its a puzzle to figure out which characteristics have which value...GO!

Ws:5 Bs:4 S:7 T:7 I:4 W:4 A:5 Ld:10 Sv:4+

I suppose this will be it.

yakface wrote:

bluebomber wrote:I really like the tele rule if true does give a extra kick to our CC as long as it counts as not moving which heavy skimmers do (right?)

So now we dont port out of but into battle another reason to take lychgaurd plus if you dont think thats enough CC power bring some wraiths along too help stir the pot

I should mention that the Monolith portal rules specify that the unit counts as disembarking from a moving vehicle (even though it happens before the Monolith has a chance to move that turn), so there is no moving with the unit that phase after teleporting it, and since it counts as disembarking from a (not open topped vehicle), there's no assaulting that turn either.

So if you had dreams of Glorious Monolith Portal assault maneuvers, you can but those to rest.

Thank you for the lesson

But unless im still reading into things we will be able to use the portal as a board edge so at least we can still port with the mono facing away from the enemy and give them cover for the turn

Blink wrote:Based on the current C'tan stats:

WS5, BS4, S7, T7, W4, A4, I4, LD10, Sv 4+

Seems pretty spot on.

REALLY close!

yakface wrote:

Blink wrote:Based on the current C'tan stats:

WS5, BS4, S7, T7, W4, A4, I4, LD10, Sv 4+

Seems pretty spot on.

REALLY close!

Well then, here's hoping it's 5A, as I doubt any of those other numbers would change. (they never struck me as precise enough for 5BS).

Edit: Watch, it's the one we're all taking for granted that's wrong, what with their new Ld4 and all.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

yakface wrote:

Blink wrote:Based on the current C'tan stats:

WS5, BS4, S7, T7, W4, A4, I4, LD10, Sv 4+

Seems pretty spot on.

REALLY close!

Well then, here's hoping it's 5A, as I doubt any of those other numbers would change. (they never struck me as precise enough for 5BS).

Edit: Watch, it's the one we're all taking for granted that's wrong, what with their new Ld4 and all.

Dont say that if they are "slaves" now mabye the LD has taken a hit

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

yakface wrote:

Blink wrote:Based on the current C'tan stats:

WS5, BS4, S7, T7, W4, A4, I4, LD10, Sv 4+

Seems pretty spot on.

REALLY close!

Well then, here's hoping it's 5A, as I doubt any of those other numbers would change. (they never struck me as precise enough for 5BS).

Edit: Watch, it's the one we're all taking for granted that's wrong, what with their new Ld4 and all.

Yeah cause it excally is the following:
WS7, BS7, S10, T10, W5, A7, I7, LD10, Sv 4+

5W would sure be nice, haha.

Ive been wondering what kinda punch do the particle casters have do you think

Im pretty sure it was said that all other particle wepons are blasts does that mean there will be a small blast wepon for necrons? (or am I way off base?)

I think it was mentioned that Particle Casters aren't blast. I think Particle Shredders are small blast, and Particle Whips are large.

bluebomber wrote:Ive been wondering what kinda punch do the particle casters have do you think

Im pretty sure it was said that all other particle wepons are blasts does that mean there will be a small blast wepon for necrons? (or am I way off base?)

Particle casters are Pistols, But I would imagine them to be in Str 4-5 Range.

On the front page somewhere, there is some info about the increasing order of the weapons. We know the Particle whip is a Str 8 Large blast. Perhaps the Shredder is is a Str 6 Large blast?


Particle Caster (pistol) -> Beamer -> Shredder -> Whip.

So, from that I would imagine the Beamer to be a regular small Blast, maybe the same strength as the Shredder, and all of them to be in the ap3-4 Range.

Is the beamer a tomb blade wepon?
or mabye on the command bardge?

or is it unknow still sorry for all the questions

Forgot about the Beamer, that's likely to be a small blast and the Shredder is probably large too.

yakface wrote:

Blink wrote:Based on the current C'tan stats:

WS5, BS4, S7, T7, W4, A4, I4, LD10, Sv 4+

Seems pretty spot on.

REALLY close!

WS5, BS 5, S7, T7, W4, A4, LD10, sv 4+ then?

Perhaps 5W. Certainly enough precedent with the Tyranid monsters.

Regarding the teleportation mechanisms built into the Night Scythe and the Monolith... can all units in reserve come through their portals?

bluebomber wrote:Is the beamer a tomb blade wepon?
or mabye on the command bardge?

or is it unknow still sorry for all the questions

It says Tomb Blades can take a Particle Beamer, on their entry on the first page.

Can't say for sure, but it looks like the Catacomb Command Barge has a Tesla Cannon, and can make sweep attacks. Perhaps it'll allow for some upgrades.

EDIT

Regarding the teleportation mechanisms built into the Night Scythe and the Monolith... can all units in reserve come through their portals?

Looks like All non Vehicle Units can come through the Monolith Portal.

The Night Scythe, is more of a fluff thing. It appears to still be a dedicated transport for all intents and purposes (With the Access point being under the ship) But with the Caveat that if it's destroyed, the unit stays in reserve instead of emergency disembarking like other vehicles. I don't think it allows you to just pick what unit you want to come in through it.

peebzguy wrote:Regarding the teleportation mechanisms built into the Night Scythe and the Monolith... can all units in reserve come through their portals?

The night scythe is a dedicated transport so im ganna say no

but what the hell do i know im probably wrong with the first part

peebzguy wrote:Regarding the teleportation mechanisms built into the Night Scythe and the Monolith... can all units in reserve come through their portals?

I believe that only the unit 'loaded' into it can come out of the Night Scythe portal.
Monoliths can bring in anything that is in reserve.

Damn.... I'm so excited!!! Can't wait to read, re-read and re-re-read the codex xD

WS 5 BS 5 S 7 I 5 W 5 A 4 LD 10 4+

Balance wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Regarding the Tomb Blades. Yakface said they are essentially warriors riding jetbikes. Kind of reminds me of the old destroyer models....

Oh god...don't tell me it's a necron warrior on a eldar jetbike.

No, those are the old, old destroyers. 2nd edition? Through the Chapter Approved list until the codex Necron players use until the new one hits. Notice the 'coffin shaped' landing gear bits.

No, I was talking about the tomb blades. I'm worried that's what they'll look like.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Balance wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Regarding the Tomb Blades. Yakface said they are essentially warriors riding jetbikes. Kind of reminds me of the old destroyer models....

Oh god...don't tell me it's a necron warrior on a eldar jetbike.

No, those are the old, old destroyers. 2nd edition? Through the Chapter Approved list until the codex Necron players use until the new one hits. Notice the 'coffin shaped' landing gear bits.

No, I was talking about the tomb blades. I'm worried that's what they'll look like.

I think the word blade is operative here so im guessing cool bladed edges that might give us a swoop attack like the command barge

anyone know how big they'll be?

I hope, they look similar to the Dark Eldar Jetbikes... as well in size as in style... of course Necron-like

Yakface wrote:Oop, I take back about what I said about the Monolith, it can be used to pull ANY (non-vehicle) unit out of reserves through its portal...so I guess as long as you have at least one Monolith on the table, its not so bad to have your Night Scythes destroyed with embarked troops as you can just pull them through the Monolith portal out of Reserve at the start of your next movement phase.

And I also don't know where I got the 18" range limitation on the Monolith Portal...it is any (non-vehicle) unit on the table that is not locked in combat.

With that in mind, I do think the positives of having a Monolith in your force have shot way up especially if you're taking any Night Scythes as well.

I foresee 2-monolith lists being able to pull "The Prestige"'s 'The New Transported Man' trick quite often, anytime a CC unit comes near the warrior phalanx. Kinda like playing 'keep away'. And the giant target on the Monoliths will keep that target off of the frail transports. 12' melta doesn't worry me too much with the Roomba trick. So long as heavy destroyers are suitably cheap enough to protect the Monoliths from any long-range tank killers, the nerf of Living Metal doesn't sting as much with the limitless-range teleporting.

I am wondering how big a hit this 'Monolith no longer invulnerable to melta weapons' thing really is.

OK, I don't play yet, but I have been thinking "What is the range on this weapon?". I doubt it is 72", 36", or even 24". So what is the chance that it is 6-12"?

All you need to do, and OK it may be a big thing, is get within 6" and you get a chance to suck the offending weapon included squad through the teleport portal and destroy them, don't you? so the trick is to time it so that the squad can not get to fire before you have had a chance to remove them, and even then, the weapons on the monolith have a better range so hopefully you can whittle down the enemy before they get too close.

OK, this does nothing against meltas (or whatever) that are vehicle mounted, but that's what Scarab Spam is for, right?

Ok, just looking to confirm the Monlith:

AV 14 all round
Living Metal (remove shaken on 2+/stunned on 4+)Quantum Shielding? (Seems overkill on AV14)
Gauss Flux Arc (still S5 AP4?) - 4 24" Heavy 3 guns that can target independantly.
Particle Whip = 24" S8 AP3 Heavy 1 Large Blast (?)
Portal - Can move any single unit from ANYWHERE on the table OR can suck in a single model from 6" away which then suffer instant death - requires a Strength test

It is a "Heavy Skimmer" so can only move 6" but always counts as not moving when resolving shooting.

**Is the Particle Whip Ordnance? if so can you still fire the Flux Arc after firign the Whip?
**Can the all the monoliths weapons be affected by stunned/shaken/weapon destroyed (the particle whip used to be immune i think)?

Praxiss wrote:Ok, just looking to confirm the Monlith:

AV 14 all round
Living Metal (remove shaken on 2+/stunned on 4+)Quantum Shielding? (Seems overkill on AV14)
Gauss Flux Arc (still S5 AP4?) - 4 24" Heavy 3 guns that can target independantly.
Particle Whip = 24" S8 AP3 Heavy 1 Large Blast (?)
Portal - Can move any single unit from ANYWHERE on the table (can the unit still charge out of the monolith portal?) OR can suck in a single model from 6" away which then suffer instant death - requires a Strength test

It is a "Heavy Skimmer" so can only move 6" but always counts as not moving when resolving shooting.

**Is the Particle Whip Ordnance? if so can you still fire the Flux Arc after firign the Whip?
**Can the all the monoliths weapons be affected by stunned/shaken/weapon destroyed (the particle whip used to eb immune i think)?

Yak said earlier that units arriving from the portal, count as the vehicle had moved. So, they can't assault out of the portal.

Oh Yak just tell us the stats.

1. You won't get sued because you've done nothing wrong.
2. Telling us the stats doesn't reveal your source.