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As far as the "only painted models rule," that seems extremely lame. On the one hand they want fancy models to go with their fancy tables and sell their product. On the other hand, if someone has paid $300 for an army, they should be able to play with it. I have plenty of FLGS around that allow unpainted models, maybe that's weird. I always play WYSIWYG and my models are fully painted, but I don't shove it on everyone around me. I also know what it's like to work retail, and can imagine that cocky, elitist customers are just as annoying as cocky, elitist workers. So the best thing we can do is not be either, understanding that the store has the right to not sell you anything if they so choose. You're a guest in their "house," slowed policies or not.

I've known people who have built armies and NEVER painted anything. In fact, they've had no interest in doing so. That's fine.

Me personally, I like painting as much as I like playing. I think its therapy, of a sort.

The GW tourney rules state that models must have at least 3 colours on or they cannot be used but I've seen plenty of GW store games using unpainted figures. This happens most when new models are released and the GW guys are showing people how "cool" this new figure is in game.

Perhaps I am a snob, but there is nothing as impressive as a fully painted army on the table, from a visual point of view. Does it make people play any better? Not in the slightest, so I think its a dumb rule myself.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:A Veteran cannot be a Veteran if they depend entirely upon their local store for a venue.

What a crock. My flat's way too small to have my mates round to game, I am totally dependent upon my local stores (not a GW thankfully) to game. “Promoting” 'home gaming' is part of the (necessary) GW churn designed to make room for the next bunch of recruits and nothing more.

I used to game in a GW a few years ago. I don't now and I miss their ridiculous, ‘how to play with your dollies’ rules.

GW only expects you to be in the hobby for 18 months (perhaps that’s the average amount of time it takes someone to realise their rules suck these days).

Although in fairness I long since surpassed whatever definition of a veteran GW are using at the moment. I prefer the term ‘post-veteran’ or 'super-veteran' depending upon how I'm feeling at the time.

[edit] For those with bad eyesight.

George Spiggott wrote:
GW only expects you to be in the hobby for 18 months. Perhaps that’s the average amount of time it takes someone to realise their rules suck these days.

What's with the tiny font?

Got something to say; then say it proud!

GW Aberdeen had a policy that models used in store to game with had to be at least undercoated, then they changed it to fully painted only. However that only lasted about a month as too many people stopped coming to game, as most people don't have the free time to paint all the models in an army. We do other things in our spare time, not just wargaming. So for the last year or so the policy has been reverted back to all models have to be at least undercoated to be used in the shop.

That's not much of a step-up from being unpainted but I guess there's no great effort in spraying figures...but it does mean you have to buy the spray of course....

...aha...those Scottish guys, they're a canny lot.

Roze wrote:

Osbad wrote:

asugradinwa wrote:

Roze wrote:"do you need a starter paint brush set since your buying fantasy?"

I wanted to punch his gimp face in....*rages once again*

Please don't call people gimps. I have cerebral palsey and take offence to it when people who do not have that or a simular disorder are called gimps. Call them Morons, lame brains, stupid, ugly, whatever. But please do not use the word Gimp.

Fair enough. Although I had never really understood "gimp" in this context. Personally my experience had been towards the lower end of the list of definitions on Wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimp

well my definition of gimp was a submissive person in full "Gimp" waer which is the marketed name for it. and i'm actually rather offended that you would assume i ment otherwise.

However, you did say that you "wanted to punch his gimp face in." In general when people use gimp to decribe a body part they are using it in reference to having some sort of physical disability. This might be a difference in culture, however I did take offence to it and all that I ask is that you don't use the word anymore.

Konrad Carstein wrote:That's not much of a step-up from being unpainted but I guess there's no great effort in spraying figures...but it does mean you have to buy the spray of course....

...aha...those Scottish guys, they're a canny lot.

They are, although I'm not a Scot myself, I just married one. I'm North Yorkshire through and through.

Slightly off topic now, but I remember the days when the metal models were lead, not white metal, therefore you had to at least undercoat them to make them safe to use. I remember being told by shop staff to wash my hands thoroughly after handling the models and (rather weirdly as I was 12 years old at the time and not an infant) not to put them in my mouth????? Why exactly would I have done that .

Foda_Bett wrote:
I start asking about the day exclusive merchandise and RS - "Well we have this button here you can have one."
Me - "Uh thanks, what about the special chaos shirt."
RS - "Oh well that's going to be given away."
Me - "But the website says they're for sale."
RS - "Yeah we're different here."
Me - "WHAT?! I drove 45 minutes for a button?"
RS - *Disappears in back* "Here's a poster."
Me - "Uh thanks..."

This.

Konrad Carstein wrote:Perhaps there should be a thread of annoying things that customers have said to GW staff?

Whenever someone in the store has a rules question, I buy something (usually a pot of paint) and then proclaim that as I am the customer, I must be right. (Doesn't hurt that I actually am either)

asugradinwa wrote:

However, you did say that you "wanted to punch his gimp face in." In general when people use gimp to decribe a body part they are using it in reference to having some sort of physical disability. This might be a difference in culture, however I did take offence to it and all that I ask is that you don't use the word anymore.

Isn't it somewhat ironic that a person who felt a GW staffer had annoyed them would respond by wishing to attack them with physical violence...?

Grow up and act like a person, not a mindless thug.

Perhaps that's just a statement about modern society though...

Gosh, you people just yak yak yak don't you?

Alpharius wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:You know, every time I've been to a GW store (and I've been to a lot in several countries), I'm always treated with respect. They always ask what game I play and what armies and ask if I've seen the new xxxxx but it's never pushy and always cordial. I'm not old but I'm not young so maybe that's part of it but I've never had one of ^those^ moments.

My wife has been to the store without me a few times (picking up presents and the like) and she says every time it's like the old western movies where the piano player stops and everyone looks at the door.

That's a good one - funny scene, I'll bet.

Wait - you're married???

I know, wierd right?

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Actually? No. Promoting home play is a good way of keeping a gamer gaming. A Veteran cannot be a Veteran if they depend entirely upon their local store for a venue. See my thread about how I hope to improve my local store should I get the job. Yes, the Realm of Battle Board is expensive. Exceedingly so. Which is why I would point out the alternatives of building your own board. Store I'll hopefully be working in has mainly hand made boards with a pretty simple construction. Big that up the Dad, and you promote father/son bonding time, and might just entice Dad into collecting an army as well. Home play, you can do whatever you damn well please, and I intend to see that the Community round my way is solid enough that the shop becomes a venue for specific events, with the gamers going to clubs and houses for the mainstay gaming.

With all due respect, that attitude horrifies me. I only game at my FLGS. The only time I ever gamed at home was back in college, we set a table up in the basement of my Fraternity house. He had like 5 guys playing, so it got plenty of use.

jackinthetank wrote:Gosh, you people just yak yak yak don't you?

*insert yakface joke here*

Polonius wrote:I only game at my FLGS.

Same here. It's just not worth it to slog over a mountain range to get to my closest GW.

I ask two things of all of you,

The first: don't use the word gimp

The second: if you have any personal insults to dish out please do so like this..

Dear Blahblah,

You suck!

Yours kindly,
(insert name here)

This way it's funnier for the rest of us.

Dear jackinthetank,

You suck fail fail harder <3

Yours redundantly,
NP

NinjaPenguin wrote:Dear jackinthetank,

You suck fail fail harder <3

Yours redundantly,
NP

Dear NinjaPenguin,

This is my thread and I hereby allow myself to say

"SUCK MY TOXIN SACS!"

Yours kindly,
Jack.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Meh. At least 90% of the tales in this thread are exaggerated in my opinion.

And you won't find complaints about me, unless someone is a real arse, as I intend on turning round my would be Store Community to make it kick arse again.

Get your head out of sand. I have been to 2 different GW stores and this is the general attitude.

Dear Jack,

Can we stop before the anti-spammers get on our respective asses?

<3,
NP

Polonius wrote:With all due respect, that attitude horrifies me. I only game at my FLGS. The only time I ever gamed at home was back in college, we set a table up in the basement of my Fraternity house. He had like 5 guys playing, so it got plenty of use.

I think "horrifies" is too a strong word to be used here, but I certainly don't agree with his assessment. For personal reasons, I am not comfortable with the notion of inviting other people to where I live, even if I had the dedicated space to set aside for gaming purposes. Playing outside, in this case at the local GW, is an alternative that's served me decently well, and it's gotten me games with an assortment of people ranging for newbies to top-of-the-line tournament juggernauts.

JD21290 wrote:ok, im 19, i just spent over £300 here, and im now going to buy a tub of £5 glue to sniff......... dill weed

QFT

Generally I give redshirts benefit of doubt, I figure their job probably sucks with managers always telling them "I didn't see you try to sell Orks to that shopper!"

One time I was trying to get some information about the box SM battle force set (the one that's like 400 bucks with pretty much an entire company in it). But I could tell the guy didn't really care about answering my questions because he didn't think I could afford it. I just turned to someone else and asked them to get it down so I could buy it (don't know if they have commissions, but I didn't want that dick getting credit for selling it).

The one thing that was said to me that ensured I never came back; a redshirt was trying to get me to come by and play. I told him that I didn't want to show up in a mall and get my ass kicked by a 14 y/o who knows the game better than me. He laughed and said that wouldn't happen, oh yeah, and watch your cursing. Cursing? I couldn't figure out what he was talking about, then I realized he meant ass? Whatever.

Mad Doc is in for a surprise if he gets the job.

Isint it called the Queen's English?

I wonder if GW gets their business model after King John's rule or Edward II.

Eh. Most of the guys at my local GW are really nice, if a bit... odd...

When I first started I bought a Dire Avenger Box, a Wraithlord and a seer council but underestimated the price of the glue, and they said not to worry about it. They are really cool guys and I pity them aboiut the "Hey, free chilcare" attitude of many parents. I also hate the 8 year olds who go there. So I mainly rock up on free lines during school hours.

NinjaPenguin wrote:Dear Jack,

Can we stop before the anti-spammers get on our respective asses?

<3,
NP

Agreed.

General Hobbs wrote:
Mad Doc is in for a surprise if he gets the job.

No, no I'm really not.

Worked for them before, albeit part time. Three Colours and Based is an accepted practice, and some whingers won't change that. As I said, if things are a work in progress, then fair enough as long as the progress is there.

studderingdave wrote:GW in Reading, PA, when i was really young.

i was going down to philly for the day, and decided to play at the GW in Reading. i had my orks with me, this was around 1996.

so me and my friend are playing, and a redshirt walks over to our table and asks "what are those" pointing to my obviously scratchbuilt battlewagons. i replied saying they are battlewagons. he then tells me i can't play with them because they arn't GW battlewagons. a lil confused, i asked him if GW makes battlewagons, he told me "thats not the point"

that was my intorduction to how GW stores were run.

hmm, sounds like that redshirt missed the memo.. As long as it wasn't a tonka toy, our GW stores were ok with scratchbuilds.. However, if you had some obvious tonka toy model with stuff glued on it, that was a nogo.. lol

Gobbla wrote:I used to travel to London a lot. I'm American. I would occasionally visit the GW store on Oxford St. They'd always have loud horrible music, and often loud kids. That' s OK. And the staff was nice enough, and helpful (I think)


. Problem was, between the noise and accents, I couldn't understand half of what was said. They could have been calling me every name in the book, I'd have never known. I had the same experience at the GW store on Victoria St. in Sydney.

I wish more countries spoke English.

Sounds to me like you wish more countries spoke American. Because no one in America speaks English..

jabbakahut wrote:
One time I was trying to get some information about the box SM battle force set (the one that's like 400 bucks with pretty much an entire company in it). But I could tell the guy didn't really care about answering my questions because he didn't think I could afford it. I just turned to someone else and asked them to get it down so I could buy it (don't know if they have commissions, but I didn't want that dick getting credit for selling it).

The one thing that was said to me that ensured I never came back; a redshirt was trying to get me to come by and play. I told him that I didn't want to show up in a mall and get my ass kicked by a 14 y/o who knows the game better than me. He laughed and said that wouldn't happen, oh yeah, and watch your cursing. Cursing? I couldn't figure out what he was talking about, then I realized he meant ass? Whatever.

No commissions for red shirts.. There was a time where your sales were tracked and you were negatively reinforced if you weren't selling enough core systems.. but usually it was store wide. if goal was met, all staff got the bonus.

As for you second response, Gw stores have young kids in and a no cursing policy is in effect. All he is doing is enforcing the rules as he has been asked to. Is it so hard to follow those rules? So, you can't say ass, did that really bother you so much?

You're forgetting how swearing makes you seem soooooo much harder.......


But are you allowed to say "Gak" in a GW store?

Konrad Carstein wrote:You're forgetting how swearing makes you seem soooooo much harder.......


But are you allowed to say "Gak" in a GW store?

We allowed 'proxy' swear words, so Gak, Frak, Fething, Frag, etc were ok..

Fethin' A!!