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Arheiner wrote:That's just a dead giveaway, it's near certain now that you're a traitor who was told by the other Dark Kin to make a nuisense.

But why would the Dark Kin need a distraction on the first day? There's been no overt actions from anyone.

Besides, wouldn't the Dark Kin want to keep as many of their number alive as possible until later in the game?

I think he's just bored and has decided to act like a Dark Kin for his own amusement.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind seeing him go, just so conversations will make a little more sense.

OOC: shas'o, google the gif of the Objection next time so everyone gets it

at the moment I find sash o the most supisious for some bandwagon voting
then saying it was scarpers fault

How the heck did you work that one out Vulkan?

@Arheiner: From the begining I've only ever made one vote. Shas'o. It started as a joke, but then took a serious edge later on.

However, I no longer believe Shas'o to be a Dark kin, not really. He reminds me a lot of the_ferret in a previous game. (Am I right LL?) Not much sense from him, and he also enjoyed being the centre of attention. I personally feel responsible for the_ferrets untimely death in that matter (as I was the chief instigator) and I am hesitant to repeat that mistake. A more sensible Dark Kin would have backed off from the silly statements by now. LL and Scarper seem to be arguing for Shas'o to be lynched later, but I am against his lynching entirely. I'm fairly certain that he's not a dark kin, just a relatively annoying flower-picking Eldar youth.

Truth be told, I'm finding his posts utterly unhelpful, annoying, and a little distracting. At first I thought this was to get a hype started, and when he bandwagoned I was seriously suspicious of his guilt, but as he's continued I feel that it's really just him being silly. A smarter Dark kin (heck, a smarter Eldar) would have wisened up by now and start being helpfull. Shas'o is just enjoying the attention. I agree with BishopGore on this point.

Right now, I'm not going to vote. Simply becuase I'm not sure who is the most suspicious at the moment.

Lord Loss is being very dramatic in his defense of Shas'o, buying time for discussion (which is good for the town) but I have to wonder whether or not he's doing this just to buy the trust of the rest of us. After all, what better way for a Dark kin to cosy himself up with the town than to prevent a lynching of one? (In this regard I'm being a hypocrite and painting a target on my back as well but, meh...)

BishopGore is...interesting. At some points he's very credible and comes up with solid ideas and good points, at other times he talks gak. (Sorry, mate)

Vulkan well...that one came out of the blue.

Scarper I don't think is being critical enough. He seems to be agreeing with whatever the majority thinks at the time. I'm not entirely sure that's what his own opinion is, or if he's just trying to encourage action without actually casting a vote himself.

Arheiner I'm not really following at the moment. He accused me of being a Dark kin becuase I dropped my vote on Shas'o but in the same breath accused Shas'o of being a Dark kin himself. It really doesn't make sense for Dark kin to be attacking each other this early on in the game. (Although, I'm not sure what their objectives are in the game, are they just to kill the town members or each other as well?) As a ploy to gain our trust, I guess it could work. But, If I wanted to do so, why wouldn't I pick a pro-town member to defend?
I'm really confused as to what Arheiner is claiming. Are you suspicious that Shas'o AND me are Dark kin, or just me?

I'm going to re-read the thread before making any more assumptions on other players.

I felt suspicious at the way you pulled off him, as I was with LL and I think at least 1-2 of you are Dark Kin. However you are by far the least likely of them to be a Dark Kin but when that's all you've done it looks suspicious. I think it's entirely possible that Shas'o is a Dark Kin and other DK voted for him and got him to look suspicious to cover themselves up.

Shas'o has said too many suspicous things for me to just drop it. He needs to explain himself and the "I'm a new player, I made a mistake, we cool?" will only work once. I feel at the moment that he will most likely be lynched at the end of day one. But into someone starts acting more suspicous, I feel he should be lynched (end of day one) unless he explains himself... If he cant explain himself then he probally is a Dark Kin who slipped up. It would be awesome if he could come up with some kind of valid explanation for his silly behavour, I dont think he will though ;(.

Arheiner has moved up to my "Medium Suspicous List" He's just beating a dead horse with this "EF/LL/Shas" Dark Kin theory (I still see no proper evidence really) I also don't see what I've done to be suspicous. I admit, I did react badly too Bishop's idea of mass killing all the exprienced players but thats what a good pro-town would do. Disagreeing with such an anti-town idea isnt suspicous at all and that is all I did.

I have looked over the thread and It seems that Shas'o Vera's behavour has turned from 'Dark Kin crudely hidding yet becoming suspious because of numerous slip up's' to 'Bored Dark Kin just wanting to be lynched or providing distraction for other Dark Kin who is under spotlight'.

Do people agree that Shas'o suspicous behavour has gone too far? That we must have an explanation?

Removing Shas'o would be a simplification, it would allow us to narrow the list of suspects. However I won't advocate it because it sinks us to their level and no matter what (guilty or innocent) it is a goal that would be in the interest of a dark kindred. Either they gain credibility for successfully prosecuting one of their own (a disturbing and perverse habit) or they net an easy kill.

Lord-Loss wrote:I have looked over the thread and It seems that Shas'o Vera's behavour has turned from 'Dark Kin crudely hidding yet becoming suspious because of numerous slip up's' to 'Bored Dark Kin just wanting to be lynched or providing distraction for other Dark Kin who is under spotlight'.

Do people agree that Shas'o suspicous behavour has gone too far? That we must have an explanation?

Yes, agreed,, though we are unlikely to get anything sensible or clearing from him in my opinion due to what normally happens when you ask new players. If we don't we have to kill him really whether innocent or not, the trouble he causes is too much.

With additional contemplation, this has just come to my attention.

Arheiner wrote:I'm not pushing for one, I'm just looking ahead to what could happen if you leave on your vote

Dark kin vote off Shas'o quickly and he's innocent: We know at least one traitor, maybe two and catch them over the next 2 days, if we're unlucky we have a decent start and a decent idea on who'll be a traitor.

Your first point is incorrect, a dark kin voting for Shas'o is extremely defensible. You yourself admit that Shas'o is suspicious, so they could lynch then plead ignorance.

Same but he's guilty: We win since we know at least 2 traitors and should find the 3rd, the roles should help with the last part (if there are any roles on our side)

Second, how do you know there are exactly three dark kin?

Vote: Arheiner

There were 3 in Thor's game (the most recent) so I guess there would be now.

As for your first point, be wary of all tactics, Dark kin may sacrifice one of their to render the first day near-pointless as they lose one person and give us no idea who to vote off. If there is less than 3 however then my theories are going to be wrong most likely.

Arheiner wrote:There were 3 in Thor's game (the most recent) so I guess there would be now.

So what? You sayin' I can't think of things myself?

There are 3 Dark Eldar Characters, btw.

I'll reveal the Eldar and Dark Eldar role names after the DayPhase 2 story post. I won't explain what they do though.

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:at the moment I find sash o the most supisious for some bandwagon voting
then saying it was scarpers fault

I'm hoping this means that he thinks it's suspicious that Shas'o tried to blame me, and not that it was my fault somehow. It's kinda hard to tell with NO PUNCTUATION AT ALL

I say Shas'o goes tonight. If he's innocent, he's impeding logical conversation, and he's the best bet we've got at the moment anyway. If he's guilty, that's one dark kin down, 2 to go, right?! I vote we drop him from conversation for a bit though - it's pretty agreed that people find him suspicious, if not lynch-worthy suspicious.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Arheiner wrote:There were 3 in Thor's game (the most recent) so I guess there would be now.

So what? You sayin' I can't think of things myself?

There are 3 Dark Eldar Characters, btw.

I'll reveal the role names after the DayPhase 2 story post. I won't explain what they do though.

Well I don't see the evidence in that, show me or you're on my suspicious list.

Well his behaviour definitely reminds me of Drk_O's, in fact I'd say we're even handling this the exact same way. I will seriously luagh if Vulkan breaks the rules, accidentally, to reveal him as a bad guy then we wonder why we changed our minds when we were so close to a day one bad guy kill.

Yep, absolutely. Although wouldn't that give us a day 1 kill anyway?

Lord-Loss wrote:
Arheiner has moved up to my "Medium Suspicous List" He's just beating a dead horse with this "EF/LL/Shas" Dark Kin theory (I still see no proper evidence really) I also don't see what I've done to be suspicous.

Well, to be perfectly honest, Arheiner has only really mentioned it once. Or twice. But regardless it's hardly the "beating of a dead horse". Even though I am certain there is no alliance between us (I know this becuase I am pro-town, my problem is how to prove this to all you others) I do find your reaction incredibly suspicious. Here let me paraphrase what I've read so far regarding this.

EF: Blah :vote:

Shas'o: Blah blah :vote in a scummy way:

EF: Blah, Blah, Blah Blah? >_<

Shas'o: Blah.

LL: He's a scummy guy, let's lynch him!

Others: Yeah, no, maybe. :a vote or two, support for his lynch increases:

LL: Oh noes! (Wow Wow Wow ) Shas' o is nearly dead! *Trumpdadum!* Don't worry, I'll save you! :unvote: You bad, bad people. you almost killed poor Shas'o. We should at least TALK before

EF: ...Blah? :unvote:

Arheiner: Hey. You two...or one...or three could be working together. That looked suspiciously staged.

LL: Wut?!? GTFO!!! NoItIsn'tYouMustBeADarkKinIfYouThinkI'mSuspicious!

And here we are.

n0t_u wrote:Well his behaviour definitely reminds me of Drk_O's, in fact I'd say we're even handling this the exact same way. I will seriously luagh if Vulkan breaks the rules, accidentally, to reveal him as a bad guy then we wonder why we changed our minds when we were so close to a day one bad guy kill.

As I've said, Shas'os behaviour reminds me more of the_ferret rather than Dark_O. While Drk_O shut his mouth pretty quickly and did all sorts of tricks and things to appease us pro-towners, the_ferret fumbled precisely becuase he was new and didn't really know how to react when confronted.

Arheiner wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Arheiner wrote:There were 3 in Thor's game (the most recent) so I guess there would be now.

So what? You sayin' I can't think of things myself?

There are 3 Dark Eldar Characters, btw.

I'll reveal the role names after the DayPhase 2 story post. I won't explain what they do though.

Well I don't see the evidence in that, show me or you're on my suspicious list.

By all means, put me on your suspicious list.

EF that is very, very over simplifised. I still think Shas should maybe be lynched, but I unvoted because he was way to close to getting lynched too early.

I do talk gak sometimes, I swear I'm trying to get better!

I find it very hard to work through 8 pages of talking and come up with anything credible. I think my brain will be bleeding by Day 2, and if it gets to Day 7 or 8 I'll be crying, trying to work out anything of any use to anyone.

I remain suspicious of LL, I am watching Arheiner and Vulkan is just plain odd.

But I still think Shas'o may have to go, simply to help keep the thread a little shorter and more sensible, though I will feel bad if he does get lynched since I think everyone should get really involved their first game and really get into the deep thinking and intrigue.

Just something people should note:

Never ever trust anyone, some may seem more pro-town then others, but dont trust people. Everyone is a possible enemy..

Lord-Loss wrote:EF that is very, very over simplifised. I still think Shas should maybe be lynched, but I unvoted because he was way to close to getting lynched too early.

Shas'o has never been closer to a lynch than L-3. That's not exactly on the brink of death. I would understand if you wanted to ease the pressure at L-2, I would even understand your reaction on L-1. But just a L-3 you were panicking and kicking up a fuss. That's very suspicious in my mind. Your reaction when Arhiener called you out on it doesn't exactly exonerate you either.

BTW, apart from one scummy vote, what has Shas'o actually done to gain such suspicion?

He's not the only one who's posted non-sensical posts, not naming any names... *squint at Vulkan*

I know it's really all we have to go on. But I just don't feel right lynching a new guy just becuase of one mistake. (And I now honestly think it may have been a mistake, but maybe I'm just playing the Devils Advocate)

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Lord-Loss wrote:EF that is very, very over simplifised. I still think Shas should maybe be lynched, but I unvoted because he was way to close to getting lynched too early.

Shas'o has never been closer to a lynch than L-3. That's not exactly on the brink of death. I would understand if you wanted to ease the pressure at L-2, I would even understand your reaction on L-1. But just a L-3 you were panicking and kicking up a fuss. That's very suspicious in my mind. Your reaction when Arhiener called you out on it doesn't exactly exonerate you either.

.....

He was L-2 before I unvoted not L-3, I brought him back down to L-3...

...oops.

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Voting Count 4

- n0t_u ( - )
- Mekboy ( - )
- SideEffect46 ( - )
1- BishopGore (Mekboy)
2- Vulkan (Scarper, shas'o)
1- Arheiner (avantgarde)
- RustyKnight ( - )
- AvantGarde ( - )
- Lord-Loss ( - )
- Scarper ( - )
3- shas'o vera (RustyKnight, Arheiner, Scarper)
- Emperor's Faithful ( - )

If the deadline were to occur now, shas'o vera would meet their doom

With 12 Alive, 7 is needed for a Lynch...

Will it be you?

Voting Tracker = DayPhase1(in progress)
Emperor's Faithful voted for shas'o vera
Lord-Loss voted for EF
Mekboy voted for Scarper
Scarper voted for Mekboy
shas'o vera voted for Mekboy
BishopGore voted for avantegarde
Arheiner voted for Vulkan
BishopGore unvoted, then voted for EF
Vulkan voted for "dark_o"
Mekboy unvoted, then voted for BishopGore
Lord-Loss unvoted Emperor's Faithful
BishopGore unvoted Emperor's Faithful
Arheiner unvoted, voted for avantegarde
Scarper unvoted Mekboy
Arheiner unvoted avantegarde
Scarper voted for Vulkan
shas'o ver unvoted, voted for Vulkan
Lord-Loss voted for Shas'o
Rusty voted for Shas'o
Arheiner voted for Shas'o, under the condition it didn't lynch
Scarper unvoted Vulkan
Scarper voted for Shas'o
Lord-Loss unvoted Shas'o
Emperor's Faithful unvoted Shas'o
avantgarde voted for Arheiner

Hmmmm, no discussion after this, and Drk_O it says Mekboy has a vote on him but no name after it.

Also, I'm sure I unvoted Shas'o.

Anyway, now I'm going to vote for Vulkan. Just becuase he's a bit random, posting only to fill in his daily requirement, and not adding anything useful to the discussion.

Vulkan