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Ya-wha?

Bishop it's just the way the post read
Just seemed like it was heaing that way then a sudden twist around.

So I supose you have questions in order to gather information to support your claim?

I still want to know why EF voted me. Especially as I keep giving semi accurate statistics. (error percent: 10%)

How do statistics help? We can't afford to take chances at this point.

Anyway, I voted for you mainly becuase I wasn't to eager to start up my argument against Arheiner again so soon. I find you to be semi-suspicious, right below Vulkan and not_u.

Arhiener's still my main suspect. I attack him constantly and he comes out and says "Oh but i did eet for yuuu!". What am I supposed to say? "Gee, thanks?" No. I think this was a quick shot at gaining my gratitute (if not my trust) and a poorly camoflauged one at that.

Gee thanks? So you voted for me because I'm your.... 4/6th most likely suspicious person.

4 is the new 1

Also am I so suddenly suspicious because Bishop started saying so, with little to go with it rather than just it being a "gut feeling".

I'm not suspicious of Bishop being a Dark Kin, due to his aid in helping lynch the Archon, LL. However, that certainly doesn't rule out the option of him being the renegade.

Whether or not he is a Dark Kin cannot be ruled out for certain, unless you are capable of investigating roles, until he has died.

I don't understand why you are so resistant to the obvious evidence to his innocence. He joined Rusty in his persecution of LL long before it seemed even likely. If Rusty had been wrong, Bishop would have been dead meat. As it is, he aided Rusty when it was well needed.

A Dark Kin wouldn't do this, he wouldn't risk it, there's too much that could go wrong. If it failed then LL (and the other Dark Kin) would certainly have them on thier nuaghty list. Stabbing another Dark Kin in the back that early on (Day 2) doesn't make sense, not when there are plenty of innocents to go around. If you want to sell your buddy out, you do so during the end phase, where everyone is sure to remember your heroic actions.

I was just pointing out that nothing is 100% certain until their role is revealed by Drk_O, when they die.

Given the evidence it seems likely to me as well that he is innocent, but that's not exactly a good enough reason for everyone to just suddenly start following his "gut feelings".

What needs to be done mainly at the moment is to confirm if Arheiner is actually the Doctor or not, but I doubt it's really the right time to do so. Given the ammount of people in the teams. I think we should question Vulkan and Ferret more.

Vulkan may appear useless, but that could just be a disguise for a Dark Kin, perhaps the least useful one left.

My thoughts, at the time of this post (keep in mind, mostly gut feelings, if Bishop is able to do them, then so am I ). Note that I will not include myself in this list, simply because I see some people taking it the wrong way.


Vulkan: Not much to go by really, Bishop calls me quiet, but Vulkan seems even more so. Perhaps hiding behind this guise of uselessness he has gained throughout the game. Possibly Dark Kin, he could be the Renegade but I doubt that a lot.

EF: Active and assertively hunting down the enemy throughout the game. Although it is assumed the enemy is the Dark Kin, it can't be ruled out that he is infact an innocent. I'm guessing a 62% chance of being an innocent.

Arheiner: "IM DA DOCTUR.. OOPS". Not really a convincing cover story to his "slip up", he did however know the real name of the role that was the doctor before that was revealed, I am unsure if that was simply just a lucky guess. I'm guessing a 42% chance of being an innocent.

Bishop: Given the above statement from EF pointing out the evidence it seems likely that he is an innocent. Gut feelings however are not solid evidence to go on though, simply guessing. I'm going to guess that there is an 82% chance that he is an innocent. It is very unlikely that he would be a Dark Kin as it has been pointed out that he has assisted in the killing of two Dark Kin, however that evidence does very little to confirm that he is not the renegade role.

Ferret: Seems to be sitting on the edge at the moment and by that I mean observing what is happening. Occasionally speaking up to present statistics as a way of backing up his assumptions; which is not really that bad to be honest. I'm guessing 48% chance of being innocent.

Right now our priority is to root out the Dark Kin. The renegade is not a threat to us until the very end.

Vulkan doesn't seem to be a team player, which is why I don't see him as a Dark Kin, or the Doctor for that matter. He's my biggest suspect for a renegade role, which is why I'm not paying him much attention right now. Since I know that the renegade can't make any night kills, I feel the Dark Kin should be rooted out first (which will be hard enough) before we move on to him.

Bishop truly seems to regret his role in Avantgardes death (who had contributed a few notes of use). He's the most likely innocent party in this. Although I can't rule out the possibility of him being a renegade.

not_u looks like he's trying to be helpful, and he is, but to whom? His reluctance to trust Bishop is understandable, but I can't shake the feeling that he's more inclined to listen to the_ferrett.

the_ferrett keeps to himself mostly, but is more prevalent as of late. He looks like he's been gauging the situation carefully before making his say and being sure not to get involved or try to manuever anyone. Definitely not typical Dark Kin behaviour, but this does make him my third suspect in line for the renegade role after Vulkan and Arhiener.

Arheiner is not the doctor IMO, I just don't buy his slip up story. Since the Archon had an investigative power, any number of Dark Kin could have known the role of whoever the doctor was before LL's death. (They can talk freely in the night, or Drk_O may have noted them if/when the role was revealed). I know Arheiner isn't the doctor, but I don't know that he's a Dark Kin for sure. He's my second biggest suspect for the renegade role.

OOC: The_Ferrett didn't realise his assignments had been so obviously noted. He was trying not to end up having to do a "Gee I'm swamped out here I might be shutting up", because personally I don't sign up to something unless I can give it 70% or more. I'm less being careful and more being ouched. That said, if anyone knows how to run a RadFrac Distillation column on Hysis I'd be chuffed.

IC: Of course I am careful, we can see what carelessness has gotten us and I am guarding my feelings lest the kin take my thoughts and use them to lynch me.

Holy carp! I didn't realise 3 days had past a week ago. ^_^"

Sorry for the lack of vote updates, I've been fairly busy lately.

And no one needs prodding! (I should have though, the deadlines in roughly 3 days... ^_^")

Anyway...

VoteCount 19

1- n0t_u (BishopGore)
- the_ferrett ( - )
1- BishopGore (the_ferrett)
- Vulkan ( - )
1- Arheiner (Emperor's Faithful)
1-Emperor's Faithful (Arheiner)

With 6 players alive, 4 is required to lynch

Will it be you?

The Deadline is on the 13th of May at 6:38pm

VoteLog

the_ferrett voted for Bishop
Arheiner voted for Emperor's Faithful
Emperor's Faithful voted for the_ferrett
Emperor's Faithful voted for Arheiner
BishopGore voted for n0t_u

Can we have the numbers too?

Arheiner wrote:Can we have the numbers too?

Like so?

Currently, who would be the one to be lynched?

Emperors Faithful wrote:Currently, who would be the one to be lynched?

It's a four way tie, and I didn't previously point out what would happen in the case of a tie.

So I'm not sure. ^_^"

I might go for the first, or put the names through a random name selector. I'll think of something

Go dice roll?

I'm curently deciding whether my vote will go for Vulkan or Arheiner. A vote for Bishop from me at the moment, would likely be a childish retliation, due to him voting for me *cough*moreevidenceplz*cough* but given the evidence so far he's probably the worst choice for a vote at the moment.

If I die after getting this far...

Hmmmmm, what do you mean by this far, would we be ruining your plans to kill us all "brother"? Or should I say Dark Kin?

I was waiting on a voting count from Drk_O before I got back into this, since we're pretty much going around in circles now.

not_u, you've done exactly the right things in the face of my stupid vote on you, which has totally validated what I thought, you're sensible and don't freak out over another of my gut feelings, which already killed avantgarde.

Unvote: not_u

I don't know you're not Dark Kin, but I'm certain that right now you don't feel threatening.

I'm stuck in a bit of a quandary now though. I had hoped not_u would freak out a little or slip up, but I don't think he has. Only thing I'm confused about is his comment that I helped in killing 2 Dark Kin. Pretty sure we've only nailed one so far dude

Anyway, my quandary. At one time or another I've stood up for each of the current survivors. I stood up for Vulkan after the Shas'O mis-lynch, I believe in Ferrett and EF as honourable chaps, I felt pretty sure Arheiner was the doctor despite his ridiculous ramblings and now I feel I can get behind not_u.

So what the heck am I meant to do now? Has Drk_O pulled a fast one and made the 2 Dark Eldar chaps see the error of their ways and pick up a soul stone? Doubtful. So someone I trust, or have trusted, is an evil person, just waiting for the chance to rip me and my friends apart.

I know that whoever I vote I'm going to be kicking myself if they die and flip good, but I've got to start dealing with all this rationally.

Arheiner - probably the doctor, but (no offence meant, despite the offensiveness of the comment) I'm not convinced of his intelligence.
not_u - a potential threat as he's a charismatic chap, but I don't feel there's much to go on here
Ferrett - I like him, but he's not easy to read right now, his last few posts have been flighty, but as he's said, he's busy
Vulkan - I don't much like him as a player, but he's always seemed a bit harmless. But nobody else seems to find him guilty, he's being ignored
EF - If he flips evil I will be peeved. If I had an Eldar bff (a friend to braid with) of the survivors it'd be EF

So to be unhelpful, I'm going to vote Vulkan, because my reasons for trusting him have been based off of feeling bad about Shas'O dying, and that's a dumb reason to keep someone alive.

HOWEVER! If there's no clear cut leader in lynch by late on the 12th I'm going to bandwagon with someone to make sure someone specific dies, not have a random person fall to a dice roll, especially as I'm on that list and I'm not going to fall due to chance, not now. There's too few of the great and good and pretty still standing.

Oh yeah, nearly forgot
Vote: Vulkan

I guess I'm just optimistic, or psychic; we'll find out at the end of the day. It's likely though that I was thinking of how many were left to kill at that time as well


Well I might be joing you in voting for Vulkan anyway. As my last post said, I'm currently deciding between Ferret and Vulkan.

I'll get back to Arheiner tommorow if he survives the night. (Which I would bet my left spiritstone on)

As for now, I really don't want to be randomly lynched and I've said that I thought Vulkan was my second suspicious after Arheiner, so here goes.

Vote: Vulkan

PS. I see not_u that you're making comments, but lacking in any votes to back it up.

We're getting close people. With 2 votes on Vulkan and 2 days left, I get that we should look at the time, but is Vulkan really the guilty choice?

Hoesntly, I think Arheiner is "more" guilty than Vulkan (who I suspect is possibly the Renegade). I just don't want to Die.

While I agree that Arhiener might be a Dark Kin, he knew the role name before it was revealed. I don't want to risk lynching the doctor, at least not today. I've decided that I will vote for Vulkan, as I have thought it through. BUT, because EF just voted for him and knocked him up to 2, if I were to vote for him now a Dark Kin could easily drop the hammer and lessen the amount of time for us to figure it out.

So I'll withold my vote for now for this reason. Drk_O, if I don't make my vote by the deadline (ie miss it), then set my vote to Vulkan right before it.

I don't see any point in delaying it. But I understand your hesitation. If the hammer drops now, and Vulkan flips innocent, I'd be one under the most suspicion, if he were to flip innocent after you voted, then you'd be facing the firing line.

Then:
Vote: Vulkan

I'd rather people suspect me and us not waste a day then us hold out and the Dark kin get one up on us.

Well that was pretty unexpected. I guess I could drop the hammer and save us the trouble of waiting. I mean at least one of the Dark Kin has already voted for him.

Although I am left here wondering about the general reaction of everyone if I do drop the hammer and he turns out to be innocent. Then there's bandwagoning, something I'm rather proud to be opposed to. But in the end whether I vote or not Vulkan will likely be killed this phase.

So I will Vote: Vulkan and hope that he is, in fact, a sneaky Dark Kin. If he is innocent then I'm very suspicious of Ferret given EF's above statement. It is likely that if he is a Dark Kin, he decided to quickly throw in a vote and not be the last one left who would face the firing line. Then if I don't vote and he is a Dark Kin, the suspicion would instantly fall to me. Going by this I don't really have much of a choice, but to vote and change my suspicion based upon Vulkan's role in this.

Quite frankly in my opinion, if Vulkan is a Dark Kin, the remaining guy is also a Dark Kin and if Vulkan is an innocent, Ferret is a Dark Kin.