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Actually, that's a very good point. If that's possible, then we'll have the Dark Kin on edge, unable to trust even each other. (although this theory is unheard of, why give a role to a role?)

That said, what is the actual power of this renegade? Why did only a single innocent die last night? Are they even capable of night attacks? Is our doctor, whoever he may be, actually managing to protect at least one of these good souls every night?

I think it should be ok to reveal what the roles can do.

The Archon had Combat drugs, which they could use to..
1. Identify a role
2. Sacrifice themself to save a Warrior
3. Allow the DE to get two nights of nightkills in one

The Farseer could identify and lynch

The Dire Avenger Exarch can protect.

The "Renegade" role is immune to NightPhase abilities.

So this renegade isn't really a renegade at all, he just can sleep safe and sound each Night phase. So really there's no reason to target the renegade, he's just a chap who sleeps in the air vents or something or phases out when someone tries to stab him. We've no real reason to want this renegade dead, since he's no threat to us.

So we're only looking for the 2 Dark Kin. That makes things both better and worse, since the chance of hitting a friend rather than a foe is much more likely now, but we only have to find two of the evil ones.

I'm a little confused about this Archon power to sacrifice themselves for a warrior though... Since only Dark Kin have Night Phase kill abilities it would mean he would have to sacrifice himself in a lynch, which would be a very obvious move, if one person had the most votes, but someone else died instead. But we can be glad he went down quickly, otherwise we'd have all been dead by now with 2 nightkills per night.

Oh wait, the Farseer had a night kill ability too. Dang.

Well ok, the breakdown

3 Eldar civilians
2 Dark Kin
1 Quiet cosy git who can rest easy each night since the Dark Kin can't get him

@ Drk_O - Do we still win if the renegade survives? Or does the renegade have to die too for this to be a win for the good guys?

well I now belive that arhiener ( or whoever clamied to be the doctor) is the doctor as he said the name of it before it was know and knew it was the doctor

BishopGore wrote:So this renegade isn't really a renegade at all, he just can sleep safe and sound each Night phase. So really there's no reason to target the renegade, he's just a chap who sleeps in the air vents or something or phases out when someone tries to stab him. We've no real reason to want this renegade dead, since he's no threat to us.

At least until the Dark Kin are dead. Then we may have to worry about him. There is a reason that the renegade role is considered a 'renegade'.

So we're only looking for the 2 Dark Kin. That makes things both better and worse, since the chance of hitting a friend rather than a foe is much more likely now, but we only have to find two of the evil ones.

I'm a little confused about this Archon power to sacrifice themselves for a warrior though... Since only Dark Kin have Night Phase kill abilities it would mean he would have to sacrifice himself in a lynch, which would be a very obvious move, if one person had the most votes, but someone else died instead. But we can be glad he went down quickly, otherwise we'd have all been dead by now with 2 nightkills per night.

That is a relief, however, one does wonder, why weren't there two bodies popping up for the two nights that LL was alive? At some point the Dark Kin must have targeted the renegade or a player protected by the doctor.

Oh wait, the Farseer had a night kill ability too. Dang.

Actually, Drk_O said he had a lynchb ability. Not sure what he meant by that.

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:well I now belive that arhiener ( or whoever clamied to be the doctor) is the doctor as he said the name of it before it was know and knew it was the doctor

This has got to the least helpful post in the entirely of the thread. Have you bothered to read anything anyone else posts?

The Renegade wins if he survives the final vote.

Actually, Drk_O said he had a lynchb ability. Not sure what he meant by that.

I should have been more specific. I did indeed mean a nightkill ability.

OOC: are you going to correct your spelling of eerie in the title?

Emperors Faithful wrote:That is a relief, however, one does wonder, why weren't there two bodies popping up for the two nights that LL was alive? At some point the Dark Kin must have targeted the renegade or a player protected by the doctor.

LL only had 1 night to work his mischief, as we lynched him on Day 2. It means that Nightphase 1 we had two kill attempts by the Dark Kin, one of which must have missed either due to the doctor or targeting the renegade (as you said) and the Farseer must have elected not to night kill, as he would far more likely kill a friend than a foe.

What I don't understand is, why did the Farseer go to so much trouble to make us go after LL on Day 2 when he could have waited until the Night phase and killed him himself. It made him a major target whilst he could have stayed a bit quieter and maybe survived to Night Kill.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:well I now belive that arhiener ( or whoever clamied to be the doctor) is the doctor as he said the name of it before it was know and knew it was the doctor

This has got to the least helpful post in the entirely of the thread. Have you bothered to read anything anyone else posts?

I actually agree with Vulkan, Drk_O has finally said that the Exarch is a Dire Avenger which gives extra credence to Arheiner's story. However now that this is out I doubt he'll survive the night, as there's less and less doubt that Arheiner is lying, he just made a wacky slip and doesn't seem to have dealt with it since then.

I'm wondering why you've said that about Vulkan's comment, especially considering the random rubbish Shas was posting early in the game.

Because its late game and it becomes more crucial to persuade people of your logic as they are less likely to agree with anything you say as you could be anyone. And yes, outside forces have me annoyed enough to speak in a frank manner. Don't flatter yourselves into thinking this level of thought will stay.

Ef that comment makes me very suspicious of you

Because he said you weren't helpful? Get a grip mate. You weren't! Its like saying 'I like fish' - completely irrelevant.

Actually that last comment from Vulkan draws suspicion to him more than EF. Like a mouse being backed into a courner...

A very blunt response to unwanted attention.


I guess his intention was to restate something that was basically confirmed, but doesn't confirm Arhiener's role in this. He seems to have intended to be helpful yet perhaps not as much as it was thought of.

OOC: Currently in the middle of an assignment

BishopGore wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:That is a relief, however, one does wonder, why weren't there two bodies popping up for the two nights that LL was alive? At some point the Dark Kin must have targeted the renegade or a player protected by the doctor.

LL only had 1 night to work his mischief, as we lynched him on Day 2. It means that Nightphase 1 we had two kill attempts by the Dark Kin, one of which must have missed either due to the doctor or targeting the renegade (as you said) and the Farseer must have elected not to night kill, as he would far more likely kill a friend than a foe.

What I don't understand is, why did the Farseer go to so much trouble to make us go after LL on Day 2 when he could have waited until the Night phase and killed him himself. It made him a major target whilst he could have stayed a bit quieter and maybe survived to Night Kill.

I think it's becuase he was hoping to use his powers that night to investigate anyone who had defended LL, rather than waste a valuable move killing him off. Also, his public hanging of LL would have been obvious and exemplary enough to secure his own innocence. He was probably relying on the doctor would pick up on this and defend him that Night Phase. Really, this doctor fellow screwed up badly to let Rusty slip. If you are indeed the doctor, Arheiner, who did you protect instead of Rusty that night? Actually, it might be helpful to tell us everyone who you've protected so far and why.

Vote: Arhiener

(Just to get you going, of course )

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:Ef that comment makes me very suspicious of you

the_ferrett wrote:Because he said you weren't helpful? Get a grip mate. You weren't! Its like saying 'I like fish' - completely irrelevant.

'Nuff said. My main ruffled feather was that you couldn't even remember who was claiming to be the doctor at all. Don't worry though, I won't waste a vote on you until I deem you dangerous.

I still am not convinced that Arhiener is the doctor, mainly becuase he made such a big deal out of this 'slip up' where a doctor would have tried his best to brush it off, perhaps by claiming that he could be mistaken (arguing the more likely existence of a Warlock being a Doctor role). So far everyone else is convinced of his role, so my vote isn't likely to lead to a lynch.

Arheiner don't post who you've protected.

EF that request is highly suspicious to me, theres only one group it can benefit and that's the Dark Kin.

Say they attacked someone and it didn't go through, if they weren't on the list they would target them as a renegade. They would also see Arheiner's loyalty and possibly use it against him as a way of getting arond his defence.

I just don't see it benefiting the Eldar at all.

Well, actually this an attempt to catch him out and prove that he isn't the doctor. (which I still don't entirely believe)
Of course, now that you've blown that plan out of the water he's not going to fall for it.

There's likely other ways to go around figuring out whether his plan is true or not without giving the Dark Kin an advantage.

I don't see how it could prove if he is though. For example he could just list all of us that are alive or just say "I shielded EF the whole time".

Knowing the name of the Exarch is surpirising to me though there's really only two ways to know what it is. One is investigating it, the other is being the Doctor. The Dark Kin's investigator is gone, however they might have investigated the real doctor and planed to do this.

For all we know EF could be the real doctor

Perhaps that's why I'm so convinced he isn't.

BTW, "I shielded EF the whole time" is dumb. Mostly becuase I have failed to actually do anything incredibly useful. So far i have suceeded in not failing, but have failed to suceed.

Yeh but you're not dead
Isn't it kind of a nice change to being dead by the end of the second day though?

I'm more surprised that Vulkan is alive though.

Dito
its the firts time ive survived past the 2nd day i think

It's your second game, doesn't mean anything

third actualy

Man this is getting gritty now. I haven't had time to go back through all of the many long pages of this thread, but I am seeing game faces come on now in the last page or so.

Vulkan has woken up, maybe because it's exciting now, down to the wire, not much time left for any of us.

Ferrett is feeling some form of pressure, he wants me down and is being irritated by Vulkan.

not_u has decided to take the forefront with EF again after some quiet time, the two of them seem to be bouncing off each other well, ideas are flowing and while they may be thwarting each other a little, they're doing good.

Arheiner is dozing in the corner like a crotchety old farmer, occasionally peering out from under the brim of his hat and muttering about the dang kids and in his day...

And I'm being quieter than normal as my confidence is a bit shot. I know it'll take my death for people to believe I'm a good guy, but I am really sorry for avantgarde's death, I'll try to scale back on the gut feelings from now on.

So I can't sit in the background and not vote because that's not helping anyone.

Vulkan -> generally unhelpful, but with occasional flashes of obvious commentary which people don't think to say.
Ferrett -> sometimes angry, sometimes obtuse, usually reliable
not_u -> a little unknown, not got all that involved recently (until the last page or so) to the best of my memory, no real opinion right now
EF -> likeable and feels pro-town, like some kind of gooey charisma he spreads on the walls around him. Except not gross.
Arheiner -> Possibly our resident cringing doctor. Don't get hurt, he doesn't like the sight of icky bodily fluids!

So out of this haphazard crew of mismatched Eldar, who do I vote for, and most importantly, why?

Vote: n0t_u

Right now it's dangerous to not have a feeling for someone, for whatever reason, whether because you've not gotten involved or because your involvement feels like it's background. Maybe this is another of my gut reaction votes, so I'm not going to be arguing my case, but I want this out on the table to be seen, so people can think about it, find quotes to prove me wrong, I'm happy to step back.

But right now we need to know where everyone stands, and I stand here, on not_u. If he pushes me up high enough maybe we can be cheerleaders.

*Spurts drink everywhere after thinking of Bishop as a cheerleader.*

You're an Eldar, that's about normal.

*joined the Ferret in drink spitting at the same thought*

Well my absence from the game was exlained before, assignments (more like a-sigh-nments ). But they're gone for a little while so I have more time to focus into this now; which explains how I've suddenly become more active in the game recently.

The vote for me was a little surprising, it looked like it was leading to Vulkan, then turned around to me

Arheiner wrote:You're an Eldar, that's about normal.

Sure is. See below to check our timetable (that is of course, if we make it back to the saftey of our Craftworld).

corpsesarefun wrote:

Tony the guardsman wrote:I know a life of an Eldar guardian

9 am, Wakes up (fashionably late of course)

9:30 am, Showers with other guardians, drops soap repeatedly

10 am, Blowdries and curls hair

10:30 am, Puts on makeup

11 am, is quickly Emboldened by a warlock

11:15 am, Skips into battle

11:30 am, retreats into webway due to a broken nail

11:35 am, Skips home

12 am to 5 pm, Goes shopping in the craftworld mall

5pm, Has a salad for dinner

6pm, to 7 pm, Embroids hearts and rainbows onto his cardigan

8pm, Dances with the unicorns in the moonlight

9pm, ?

10pm, falls asleap in the strong arms of the warlock

Fixed

@Bishop: So far not_u has raised suspicions regarding me, so I'm not really buying into your theory that he's lacking in an opinion. Arheiner seems to feel that role, other than the occasional "I is the doctor. I swears! I mucked it up!" he is no longer contributing to any ongoing arguments. That said, I don't find you suspicious, and put you lynching of Avantgarde more as a sign of your short-lived confidence. You seem to have wisened up to the fact that you got lucky backing Rusty, no from your own instinct.

Arheiner still hasn't answered my question. If he was the doctor, why didn't he shield him? I don't need to know who he did protect, but it would be helpful to figure out why such a clearly valuable player was allowed to get dropped/

Him means "Rusty" and I edited to fit that quote in.

That would be interesting to know actually.

I don't agree that I was leading to Vulkan at all, I find him a little slow to say anything worth hearing, but he does from time to time.

I'm very undecided about where I stand at the moment, if I had to choose a list of my top 5 suspects for evil, they'd be:

1. not_u
2. Vulkan
3. Arheiner
4. Ferrett
5. EF

I will be completly honest, I have no reasons why I didn't shield Rusty, I will tell you I shielded EF that night.