New DaemonHunters Codex?

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**The Unending**

Vhalyar wrote:Because it *is* a limiting factor. You can only pack so much within a codex, and instead of being creative and expanding the choices each army has to offer you end up with a mish mash of various units and trying to field a pure army becomes a problem.

Imagine the following:
"Grey Knights could do with some anti-vehicle, they're pretty at it."
"Not really, the Sister troops in the codex handle them extremely well already."
"Alright then, let's leave this gaping hole in the Grey Knight! Players will just field some Sisters if they want AV."

And really, that's the issue: fielding a pure army, with its own strengths and weaknesses. Plus, not everyone likes both the Grey Knights AND the Sisters of Battle. I know I have zero interest in the SoB and would be annoyed at having to field some. That's why both codices were split, so that people who enjoyed one or the other could pick their favorite army.

But the real question is why should they be combined? We have Codex: Space Blood Wolves Black Angels, but having Codex: Grey Knights and Codex: Sisters of Battle is apparently a sin for some people.

My wish is for Codex: Grey Knights with an Inquisitor HQ, the various assassins and the Stormtroopers. They all mesh together extremely well, but the spotlight remains cast on the Knights.

Edit: And I've forgotten the most important point, Jervis said that there would not be a combined Inquisition codex

1) Jervis also repeatedly denied that they were working on space hulk at the time of the whole "mystery box"

2) If a combined 'dex is impossible I would like to to direct your attention to the Chaos 'Dexs. A series of codexes that have accomadated FOUR different styles of play before the coming of Gav Thorpe and managed to successfully represent all 9 of the Traitor Legions as well as renegade Chapters. I tend to think of the Chamber Militant (which includes sisters,GK, and Deathwatch) as more of an armory rather than an army. Inquisitors can requistion anything in the course of their investigations and the Grey Knights books have sisters and Grey Knights fighting together on multiple occasions.

**Vhalyar**

The Unending wrote:1) Jervis also repeatedly denied that they were working on space hulk at the time of the whole "mystery box"

Apples and oranges. I'm not sure how can can even try to compare someone coming out and saying "yeah, we're working on that" and "space hulk? I dun know nothing bout some space hulks" which was part of GW's new strategy of not revealing anything until the last minute. By your logic we should assume that, in fact, not a single new DE model has been sculpted, even though we've been told the opposite

Considering the sheer volume of whine and anger that the last C:CSM has generated from the lack of options and streamlining and removal of choices, you really picked a horrible example. So you want all 3 codices to be reduced to the level of bland that is C:CSM?

**The Unending**

Chaos 3.5. I specifically said BEFORE the coming of Gav Thorpe.

EDIT: and since when were we talking about 3 codexes. Deathwatch has been suggested if that what your talking about?

**Vhalyar**

Ah damn, my apologies. Well, as far as we know GW was quite happy with their new vision of the combined Chaos Space Marines when they released it, so it doesn't exactly inspire me with confidence.

Edit: I mean 3 in the form of the Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle and Inquisition. They are three distinct groups.

**Terminus**

GK and the Inquisition are not separate entities. Grey Knights are the militant arm of the Ordo Malleus (and some hold membership in the Inner Circle), much like Deathwatch are the marine specialists of the Ordo Xenos.

Sororitas are indeed distinct, belonging to the Ecclesiarchy, and Ordo Hereticus has no official chamber militant. But given the nature of their quarry, they are far more likely to requisition help from the Sisters, local Arbites, etc.

**Oshova**

On Ordos Xenos. From the new pictures released of the trip round Warhammer Worlds development area, we have seen that they are working on Deathwatch. However, can we believe these photos? They did appear on BoLS . . . lol

Oshova

**Terminus**

That image was related to the RPG.

**Oshova**

Bah! Dammit, got my hopes up there =[

Oshova

**Luke_Prowler**

There's going to be a Deathwatch RPG? That's some good news, at least. :/

**Oshova**

I believe it's as a part of the current RPG which GW dropped a week before the starter was released, but have still got another 2 expansions to release I believe.

Oshova

**Kroothawk**

Not quite, have a detailed discussion on the RPG here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/268868.page
Actually the 40k RPG was always planned as having three stages: Inquisitor retinue, Rogue Trader, something with Space Marines (-> now known as Deathwatch).

Vhalyar wrote:Ah damn, my apologies. Well, as far as we know GW was quite happy with their new vision of the combined Chaos Space Marines when they released it, so it doesn't exactly inspire me with confidence.

Edit: I mean 3 in the form of the Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle and Inquisition. They are three distinct groups.

Inquisition will be a WD ruleset at best, not a Codex. One Inquisitor with a 5-man retinue is not an army. He may take control of an Imperial army, but he is no general (But then again, he can order an exterminatus for your battlefield). That's why GW wants to pull them out of the DH and WH Codex.

**H.B.M.C.**

Inquisitors can be anything. There are Inquisitors that are Generals, with their own massive personal armies. And then there are Inquisitors who would prefer it if no one ever knew they were there.

**Kungfuhustler**

Last?

**Pyriel-**

You have proved absolutely nothing. Your conclusions are meaningless and your math is flawed. The more you clamor on about age, the more I'm convinced you are what you accuse others of being. Stop, just stop.

Ditto.

**Luke_Prowler**

You dug up a topic just to say last? OK, that's just sad.

So here's an idea. If Xeno hunters get added, Radical Inquisitioners might have access to Xeno mercenaries, like Kroot and Ork Flash Gitz.

**Pyriel-**

You dug up a topic just to say last? OK, that's just sad.

Nope, had no choice, was working and away for 4-5 days now. Before making sad comments yourself do some post research the next time.
Besides it was fun countering a pathetic comment with one of my own. You know when in Rome do as the Romans and all that...

**Tacobake**

OH MAN I AM PUMPED.

PUMPED.

**aka_mythos**

Anyone else think the GK might get some equivalent to the BA Librarian dreadnought?

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The Unending wrote:
2) If a combined 'dex is impossible I would like to to direct your attention to the Chaos 'Dexs. A series of codexes that have accomadated FOUR different styles of play before the coming of Gav Thorpe and managed to successfully represent all 9 of the Traitor Legions as well as renegade Chapters. I tend to think of the Chamber Militant (which includes sisters,GK, and Deathwatch) as more of an armory rather than an army. Inquisitors can requistion anything in the course of their investigations and the Grey Knights books have sisters and Grey Knights fighting together on multiple occasions.

Most people consider the chaos codex a failure in that respect. GW considered it failure in that respect. The backlash from that failure was enough to make GW consider doing separate codices for some number of the big 4 chaos leagions. So to expand the statement made by others its impossible to make a combined codex that is good.

**kronk**

Oshova wrote:On Ordos Xenos. From the new pictures released of the trip round Warhammer Worlds development area, we have seen that they are working on Deathwatch. However, can we believe these photos? They did appear on BoLS . . . lol

Oshova

Maybe, but haven't there been pictures of plastic eldar warbikes circulating for 2+ years?

I picture or two won't mean much to me until I see it in an official announcement or in a GQ blackbox that the store owners get.

Remaining hopeful, though.

**aka_mythos**

Weren't those Deathwatch pictures were for FFG's "Deathwatch" RPG?

**Vhalyar**

They are. Deathwatch is still the red-headed stepchild of the GW family.

**Oshova**

Something wrong with red-heads? lol

Oshova

**Terminus**

Luke_Prowler wrote:You dug up a topic just to say last? OK, that's just sad.

So here's an idea. If Xeno hunters get added, Radical Inquisitioners might have access to Xeno mercenaries, like Kroot and Ork Flash Gitz.

Now THAT is an interesting idea! Maybe not units (that's too blatant even for the staunchest radical), but I can definitely see Xenos (particularly Eldar) members for their retinue.

**aka_mythos**

GW's idea now seems to be to focus of Sisters of Battle and Grey Knights, rather than the Inquisiton. So its unlikely that we'd see alternatives to those core units in books that would focus on them.

**Terminus**

Well, we still don't know how they will handle Inquisitors and their various assassins, daemonhosts, retinue, etc. with these new books. I'm hoping for the return of Chapter Approved. That would be the easiest, low-cost option for them, IMO. Repackage some of the existing models to be released with the WD, and viola!

**ductvader**

It really makes sense to throw all the different types of Inquisitors together though...Inquisitors aren't Ordo Xenos, Hereticus, or Malleus...they are just inquisitors...and it well makes sense that if they had their own book...they should be allowed to call upon anything they have access to...of course that would also mean Imperial Guard and Marines...but we're definitely not going that far.

**Oshova**

Generally that can be true. But the Lords generally are a lord of one not the others. Also the Inquisitors generally work for one lord, but will deal with any other problems that crop up along the way. So although they may be a Malleus Inquisitor, they may well focus on any Xenos or Hereticus issues that need sorting.

Oshova

**Terminus**

Well, Malleus are a breed apart, IMO. From the fluff, they are far more likely to hunt other Inquisitors for corruption, and if a particular incident/situation actually escalates to a level where Malleus involvement is required (i.e. daemonic incursion), their response is rarely short of Apocalyptic.

**aka_mythos**

Whether its in an unlikely combined book or individual SoB and GK books, I think Inquisitors are really the realm of special characters. I think a codex should have 2 or 3 flavors of each ordo of Inquisitor, each with unique special rule sets, but with some rule that would allow them to be used in other imperial armies, under particular conditions. With different flavors only usable by a specific army; like no psykers for one ordo hereticus Inquistor to be taken, but requiring a psyker battle squad for the radical ordo hereticus Inquisitor to be used by IG.

**ductvader**

I personally don't even want it to even be able to be allies with IG.

Too many Guard players use DH as a crutch.

Inducted Stormtroopers are the closest thing to Guard that us Inquisitorial players need.