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I quite like the whole inquisitor idea propose above, actually I love it! It's a great way to get a different spin on our legions rather than the normal "This is all the truth" approach. Also it is very original and will likely make it much more popular once it is released.
This project ha reached a standstill though. We need it to be reinvigorated immediately by attracting more and more people to contribute. How we will manage that is another question though...

Ask Alpharius and some of the other mods if they can spread the word.

I'm a late comer to the thread, but i always imagined that the reason the 2 primarchs/legions were expunged was because they were well and truelly destroyed, either by a genetic melt down or that by the time the Emperor found them they were living like mini chaos gods ruling over the worlds they fell on.

I like the idea that either one of the lost landed on a chaos world and was nurtured into the perfect 'child' by one of the gods,

Or that on a high tech world protected from the rest of the imperium by warp storms he was raised to lead them, with the world having a near identical rise to glory as Terra minus the Emperor but with this primarch filling in and now that the storms have subsided they set of to unify humanity only to find it already unified and being persicuted for not worshipping the Emperor

BluntmanDC wrote:
Or that on a high tech world protected from the rest of the imperium by warp storms he was raised to lead them, with the world having a near identical rise to glory as Terra minus the Emperor but with this primarch filling in and now that the storms have subsided they set of to unify humanity only to find it already unified and being persicuted for not worshipping the Emperor

I like this!

kravus master of Horus wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:
Or that on a high tech world protected from the rest of the imperium by warp storms he was raised to lead them, with the world having a near identical rise to glory as Terra minus the Emperor but with this primarch filling in and now that the storms have subsided they set of to unify humanity only to find it already unified and being persicuted for not worshipping the Emperor

I like this!

giggling like a child due to the praise, maybe have super soldiers in iron man esque armour, or were every 'space marine' has anti grav generators, the 'what if...' possibilities are endless just lots of convertions

I also do like the idea but it does bot explain the reason for deletion particularly well and also does not quite fit the points we have already chosen to follow.
It is a very interesting idea though. Also this primarch cannot create space marines as the emperor already formed his legion and has all the geneseed.

BluntmanDC wrote:

kravus master of Horus wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:
Or that on a high tech world protected from the rest of the imperium by warp storms he was raised to lead them, with the world having a near identical rise to glory as Terra minus the Emperor but with this primarch filling in and now that the storms have subsided they set of to unify humanity only to find it already unified and being persicuted for not worshipping the Emperor

I like this!

giggling like a child due to the praise, maybe have super soldiers in iron man esque armour, or were every 'space marine' has anti grav generators, the 'what if...' possibilities are endless just lots of convertions

I guess that's quite the story in Horus Rising, where the 63rd expedition fleet encounters a human world, separated by the Old Night from Terra, and where a powerful being has risen as "The Emperor"... The Luna Wolves bring the world to "compliance" without any backthought, they just consider them as mislead.... Even if a Primarch had risen to such an arrogance as to oppose the Great Crusade, this would not explain the disappearance of his Earth-based Legion...

so what do we know then?

How about the second legion, the Knights of Damnation and their primarch Necanor.

Necanor wrote:How about the second legion, the Knights of Damnation and their primarch Necanor.

Cool. We need more details!

Legion Color: Dark Iron
Home World: Ghanesh
Primarch: Necanor
Loyalty: Loyal
Chapter Master: Nihlus
Fortress-Monastery: Damned Citadel
Specialty: Veteran Legion, Hardened Legion
Battle Cry: Victory or Death!

try and stick with what we already have contribute your ideas not your legion please.

BluntmanDC wrote:I'm a late comer to the thread, but i always imagined that the reason the 2 primarchs/legions were expunged was because they were well and truelly destroyed, either by a genetic melt down or that by the time the Emperor found them they were living like mini chaos gods ruling over the worlds they fell on.

I like the idea that either one of the lost landed on a chaos world and was nurtured into the perfect 'child' by one of the gods,

Or that on a high tech world protected from the rest of the imperium by warp storms he was raised to lead them, with the world having a near identical rise to glory as Terra minus the Emperor but with this primarch filling in and now that the storms have subsided they set of to unify humanity only to find it already unified and being persicuted for not worshipping the Emperor

It's said in "Mechanicum" that the two legions were NOT destroyed.


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kravus master of Horus wrote:try and stick with what we already have contribute your ideas not your legion please.

So what are your ideas?

idget wrote:I also do like the idea but it does bot explain the reason for deletion particularly well and also does not quite fit the points we have already chosen to follow.
It is a very interesting idea though. Also this primarch cannot create space marines as the emperor already formed his legion and has all the geneseed.

Of coarse a primarch can create new space marines, thats why the process was sped up when each was found, his homebrew ones would most likely be different to the Emperor's but they would be still of his genetic stock. all this WHILST the Emperor would have the primarch's legion as well

Necanor wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:I'm a late comer to the thread, but i always imagined that the reason the 2 primarchs/legions were expunged was because they were well and truelly destroyed, either by a genetic melt down or that by the time the Emperor found them they were living like mini chaos gods ruling over the worlds they fell on.

I like the idea that either one of the lost landed on a chaos world and was nurtured into the perfect 'child' by one of the gods,

Or that on a high tech world protected from the rest of the imperium by warp storms he was raised to lead them, with the world having a near identical rise to glory as Terra minus the Emperor but with this primarch filling in and now that the storms have subsided they set of to unify humanity only to find it already unified and being persicuted for not worshipping the Emperor

It's said in "Mechanicum" that the two legions were NOT destroyed.

The primarch's legions could still exist even if the primarch was not found or killed (space marines still exist without their primarch in their chapter), the Emperor could have thought that the 'corruption would not spread to the legion, seeing as the legion had no contact with their primarch, so just used them in the crusade attaching them to another primarch.

The reference material is increadibly vague and open to opinion as to what state the primarches were found in and how long, if at all, they stood by the Emperor's side.

I do like the idea of the deleted primarchs being used for a special mission set by the Emperor and being forgotten by the rest of the imperium, much like the 13th company of the space wolves sent off by Leman Russ

Back from school. I am here to help.
Necanor. Good job. We need some background information.

can someone please give a run down of what we've got so far as i'm trying to get up to date but getting ever more confused??????????

please help

*******Incoming transmission-Guarded Code Theta______********
*******Translating…***************************************
******* Mating habits of the Hibernian Moth on Gangis IV ********
*******Transferring data to Guarded Code Magenta**************
*******ID 1101011 Inquisitor Madrigal Loventus-Ordo Hereticus***

Greetings,

If you are receiving this, then you have been identified by me or one of my esteemed colleagues as a person of interest in regards to our investigation. I apologise for the seemingly endless levels of security but our project is not one that is sanctioned by any level of Ordos. Our transmissions are coded as such that they will traverse many levels of security and be bounced from one repository to another to hide our trail. The irony is that the final transmission will always be sent with a lower security classification but be buried deep within millions upon millions of data logs. Farming surveys, birth statistics for a given system, bio-compilations, oceanic mining logs etc, from hundreds of worlds cover our tracks; the more mundane the reports, the lower the chance of discovery. This was a valuable lesson from my mentor. He once said that a locked safe attracted more attention than an open grain box. We seek to hide our information in the open grain box.
Our studies have yielded many clues and hints as well as evidence leading us to many conclusions. Unfortunately, this plethora of information has hindered our efforts as there is too much of it, and none of it is solid or concrete enough to make an actual case for our cause.
My own studies into the missing founding legions have led to many theories about who their Primarchs may have been and which legions and chapters carry their gene seed. My colleagues have also come up with their own theories as well. Some have led to some interesting conclusions; others have led to dead ends or outlandish ideas with no merit.
This project seeks to find the answers to the missing legions riddle. What we know is that the 2nd and 11th Legions were struck from the records. This is the only concrete information we have. Why they were struck from the records is a matter of debate. We will seek to answer those questions using the evidence we can gather and analyse. We will also seek to disprove outlandish theories. I cite the Grey Knights and the Legion of Damned as examples of conspiracy theories that have been debunked.
I trust that you will provide your theories and ideas and help us contribute to this project. Remember that knowledge is power. But also remember that it can be very dangerous.

****Inquisitor Madrigal Loventus****

Excellet piece of writing (and a good idea) Crantor. You can definately stay and help with contributions to the Project.

Agreed with Gathering Storm : that's really inspiring & uniting towards a common goal...

I'm in!

Asherian Command wrote:Back from school. I am here to help.
Necanor. Good job. We need some background information.

Shall I work on my own legion, or shall I help creating background about the ideas you have?

The way I see it if you can contribute to both that would be great. If you can provide adequate background to your legion, it is stuff that can be added or used by this conclave of learned contributors. As far as I know nothing is currently set in stone. I believe (if I am not mistaken) is to get as many contributors as possible to get as many ideas as possible.

So I worked on my legions traits:
-Trust your battle brothers
-Cleanse and purify
-Suffer not the work of heretics
-Honor your wargear

to be completely struck from the records what they have done must be even more terrible then turning to chaos

so maybe they were never propperly brought into compliance in the first place

maybe they were even fakes?

thought to be a son of the emporer and their return celebrated and a chapter raised in their name only to be found imposters maybe even the killer of the original primarch , or just simply mistaken identity.

only discovered after their constant abuse of power and wanten waste of human life to achieve their own egotistic and greedy goals


sorry if this has already been suggested as my brain freezes if i read all of this stuff so i skimmed it and did my best to absorb it all in

Yggdrasil wrote:Agreed with Gathering Storm : that's really inspiring & uniting towards a common goal...

I'm in!

Well, that is, when I have some more time to put my thoughts into shape...

croggy wrote:to be completely struck from the records what they have done must be even more terrible then turning to chaos

so maybe they were never propperly brought into compliance in the first place

maybe they were even fakes?

thought to be a son of the emporer and their return celebrated and a chapter raised in their name only to be found imposters maybe even the killer of the original primarch , or just simply mistaken identity.

only discovered after their constant abuse of power and wanten waste of human life to achieve their own egotistic and greedy goals


sorry if this has already been suggested as my brain freezes if i read all of this stuff so i skimmed it and did my best to absorb it all in

I don't think this has been posted, though I'm not sure I really got your point due to a total lack of punctuation : it makes understanding a bit harder...

So if the Primarch was dead / never accepted the Emperor / turned into Chaos early, I think it doesn't solve the main problem : what of the Earth-created Legion? It seems not only the Primarch had deserved deletion, but his whole Legion...

I thought about some more fluff:
The Knights of Damnation are skilled planetary defenders, if they attack, they usually do so in smalll elitary units. The legion is known for defending a vital objective with the main force, while small raid forces slowly crush enemy resistence. This tactic proved successful fighting xenos in Segmentum Obscurus.

Ok we're making progress Also I want to say hi to all the new contributers, I dont want to sound mean or offensive about anyones work, so Necanor i'm sorry if I caused any offense
What we know:
-2 legions, they fight side by side as brothers. (obviously?)
-As far as we know they are an Oriental theme and Russian theme.
-They are branded heretics but dont worship chaos.

Ive more than likely left out alot so feel free to fill in where I missed

<3 KmoH

Do you mean a traditional russian theme or a rother soviet theme?


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I think it would be cool, if one legion was renegade and the other one had the mission of destroying these traitors at all costs.

The theme of the legion is to be decieded with the primarchs historical character we have chosen. From what everyone has said the major choices are Stalin, Lenin and Tsar Nicolas the Second. Once we have decided upon them we can decide the legions name, battle tactics and all that stuff based on historical accounts of these people. If you guys want to read up on the arguments page 6 till here has most of it I believe.
Necanor, although that is a good idea we are trying to stick with the guidlines KmoH posted just above here.
To all the new contributers too, you may want to read over the previous pages to get an idea of what we are talking about.
Also, is everyone else happy with Crantor's idea about having a the Inquisitors?

I might be too late, but you could make one of the primarchs affiliated with an alien race. So he was erased for being a xeno hugger, more or less.


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If your going to make fight side by side, I'd make them the reverse ofAalpharius and Omegon; basically being polar opposites of each other, but are still allies.

I don't think a primarch would be weak enough to be corrupted by xenos.