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I second the Russian chapter, but lets give them a more baroque, industrial legion, one that gives a sense of the toil of war. For the stronger one, what kind of "futuristic" angle are we going for? Because "Modern" evokes things that the Imperium as a whole is not.

I like the russian idea too, for the second legion, more of a (here we go) SUPER!DUPER!FUTURE!JEDI!SAMURAI!NIJAS!
So in other words, an Eldar style feel to them, I was toying around with the idea of the primarch being raised on an eldar planet, learning their ways yet keeping the brute force of a human. When he gets to the Imperium he upgrades his armour, it looks the same but functions completely different. Like bullets have a gravity field in them so when someone is shot the gravity makes them implode. Basically future Samurais with guns.

Come on guys.
*BUMP*

I'm not so sold on the eldar idea... lets focus on the Russian Legion first. What are their:

Name:
Primarch:
Combat Doctrine:
Preferred Unit:
Preferred Enemy:
Status:
Colour Scheme:

Archmagos_Amadeus wrote:I'm not so sold on the eldar idea... lets focus on the Russian Legion first. What are their:

XIth Legion

Name:
Primarch: Nicholai Leonus
Combat Doctrine: Guerrilla Warfare; Use of Camouflauge
Preferred Unit:
Preferred Enemy:
Status:
Colour Scheme:

I'll add two things to it.

The name is an obvious refelction on the names Nicholas and Leon (Trotsky), both of the historical figures that A_A and I believe the Primarch should be based on.

The Combat Doctrine is the one that KM_oH would like and seems most fitting for a weaker Legion.

I think that the Leigon of the damned are 1 of the missing leigons

@Gathering Storm: Awesome start. Should the name be a gothic, biblical name, or an animal one?

Like Snow Tigers, or something equally awesome.
XIth Legion

Name:
Primarch: Nicholai Leonus
Combat Doctrine: Guerrilla Warfare; Use of Camouflauge
Preferred Unit:
Preferred Enemy:
Status:
Colour Scheme:

@Origami Chicken: There's actually an article in a White Dwarf that proves that that theory is wrong. It's a cool angle, and the LOTD have enough aura of mystery to make it believable but the Legion used to be the Fire Hawk chapter of the 21st founding. Loooooooong after the Heresy.

Biblical names FTW!!!one!!!
Name: Red coats?
Primarch: Nicholai Leonus
Combat Doctrine: Guerrilla Warfare; Use of Camouflauge
Preferred Unit: Assault Marine
Preferred Enemy: Tyranid/Space Marine
Status: Unknown
Colour Scheme: Red and Gold

Name: Arctic Tigers
Primarch: Nicholai Leonus
Combat Doctrine: Guerrilla Warfare; Use of Camouflauge
Preferred Unit: Scouts
Preferred Enemy: Tyranid/Space Marine
Status: Unknown
Colour Scheme: Steel; Red trims.

I was thinking, how about Prefered Unit: Scouts, fits in with their Guerrilla Warfare specialisation.

And I think even just Space Marine would do as a prefered enemy.

Snow Tigers is cool, but what about Arctic Tigers, sounds slightly more awesome. Definately tigers are needed; Tigers FTW

A tiger ready to pounce would make a great chapter badge.

And I decided to to a bit of writing:

While Nicholai was cast into the warp by the devious Gods of Chaos with his brothers the Ruinous Powers whispered in his ear, they told him that he was destined to die. Before he had even crashed onto the world of Siveras his fate had been sealed. Nicholai carried a genetic defect, a disease that the Emperor of Mankind had overlooked during his experiments. The young Primarch was found in the verdant farmlands in the south of Siveras where a massive crater had destroyed an entire field of grain. The humble farmer who found the child decided to take him in for his wife was unable to bear a child. The farmer, Gregori Leonus, was amazed at the speed that the child grew and the immense strength that the young man possessed. He decided to name his son Nicholai as he hoped this mighty young man would bring victory to his people, who were at war with the Tyrant Jacov Amvlin.

@Storm: YES! Arctic tigers sounds wicked. Although the story you wrote sounds eerily like Superman: Red Son lol.

Archmagos_Amadeus wrote:@Storm: YES! Arctic tigers sounds wicked. Although the story you wrote sounds eerily like Superman: Red Son lol.

Of course it is eerily like Superman .

We need to go down that angle (where is taken in by people of little wealth not some overlord/royal guy), but I should change it to be less Superman-ish.

I like the Superman idea! I like evry idea that you've came up with for them so far Storm
Keep up the awesome work!

Agreed, But we must search the dakkadakka forums for more legion makers!

Asherian is right, we need more contributers.

All contributers should also try to include a link to the project in their sig.

Hmmm...

...we need some other way of recruiting more writers.

Agreed. Could someone recruit on like, BOLS or something? I know I'm able to write articles for Librarium Online, so I could plug it there. Until we get some fresh blood, lets keep chugging along on Legion XI.

I'm still digging "Arctic Tigers" but it has a very Rogue Traderish feel to it. Is that the kinda feel we wanted? Also, are we gonna write any fluff for Dakka Fiction? I'd be happy to contribute an Index Astartes Article on the legion and post in on B&C or something for feedback.

I got kicked out of B and C because apparently they didn't like how i was a seconding founding chapter from a unknown legion. They told me it was unoriginal.
Yeah. Then Gave them the finger and walked out. As they have racism to anything new. I want to destroy B&C as it seems they are evil >:

But anyway. I would like to help recruit. I know a few. But They don't like posting online as they are fearful of having their stuff stolen.

Hey guys. Make a chapter that reveres giraffes and zebras.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Hey guys. Make a chapter that reveres giraffes and zebras.

What? That would be extremely humorous! but the thing is. This is not Id4chan. We actually make legitimate chapters that don't have nerd rage written all over it.
Are you referring to African culture based chapters?

Just joshing with you guys. Although an african chapter would be pretty cool. You could use a lot of space wolves bits and paint them to look like various african mammal hides.

Feel free to recruit, post fiction/fluff or do whatever you gotta do to make the thread more famous!

This project defiantly needs more contributors. We shouldn't go to another forum a they'll try to steal our spotlight cos we're da best! Maybe if one of the popular blogs like BOLS, From the Warp and so on were to join in this could really get off the ground.

Hmn, maybe if you wanted to recruit more contributors it would be wise to maintain a more flexible view of the missing legions.

People will have varying theories about them. Therefore, if you go with a more strict description and idea you will alienate those that either think your idea is lame or feels that their ideas are better.

For instance, Arctic Tigers. To me it sounds like a baseball team from Nunavut. Not to offend, but it really isn't that cool sounding. You want to give a name to a chapter, great but the background so far is pretty light. Besides, you want to go with a russian style feel to the chapter. Do some research.

The animal most associated with Russia is the bear not the tiger (that would be india). Russia does not use guerrilla tactics. Historically they would use waves of soldiers to overwhelm the enemy. Wave after wave. During the cold war they had the same sort of strategy but also using massed artillery as well.

Also, this stuff on modern warfare tactics. WTF is that anyway? Sounds like call of duty to me. Are we talking about current military tactics? Video game stuff or real current stuff? Again more research needs to be done.

Personally here are a few suggestions about how to go about this.
1) Don't try and make this cannon. No one here has the authority do that and no one will agree to that. By leaving it open ended you will attract more people.

2) Fluff it up. Create something akin to a splinter group of Inquisitors who are trying to piece together a mystery by proposing several theories based on them uncovering hints and secrets. Your contributors are part of this unauthorised organisation that seek the truth and put forward their theories.

Other things to consider:

Preferred unit: Scouts. I assume because some of you prefer the Guerrila war style of fighting. The night lords and Raven guard sort of do this already. Not a problem though. But scouts? Does the chapter have the ressources to have that many scouts? Then it must have a large recruiting base and the facilities to engineer them. If it's a renegade chapter then it likely has a limited stock of geneseed so the scout thing may not work well. Unless it is an Imperial Chapter masquerading as a second or third founding chapter hiding their secret from everyone. Or is it a chapter that never operates in large numbers, only small teams, trying to influence events by their actions?

Remember that the two chapters are struck from the records. Their current status if any needs to reflect that. Are they hiding because they fear Imperial Retribution, don't want the attention to their operations discovered or something else. Any type of major operations by either would lead to discovery. This includes any type of heraldry or distinctive markings. If the Arctic Cats were the Arctic Cats before they were struck from the records they certainly should not be the Arctic cats now.

Coming up with names and chapter colours is fine and dandy but the background with some type of references to cannonical texts would help make the development go better if you want to legitmise this thread. If you are just making stuff up then cool. I think that is the intent GW wants to impart. in that case you`re just creating a new chapter with your take on it. Happend all the time. If you are looking to be more legitimate with your theories you can't ignore cannon.

Very nice post. I do agree with your view on the name, it is terrible. Also using scouts as their main unit is also strange. Power Armor is the trademark of the Adeptus Astartes. Also is see your point on the the colour schemes. Maybe each individual section if the legion if you like (akin to the great companies of the space wolves) formed a chapter during the tumultuous time after the Emperors death and now exist amongst the Imperium but follow ulterior motives.
Also Russia has tended to follow attrition warfare and tends to win a battle over piles of their own dead. That Valhallen? guy in the IG codex is meant to be a reelection if this through that rule send in the next wave or something like that.

That idea you had about presenting it like Inquisitors is fantastic in my opinion. Any way that's just how I feel on the matter.

Agreed. Should this be a mutually contributed story in Dakka Fiction then? Or should we continue our speculation thread here?

Just finished listening to the Ravens Flight audio book and now I'm pretty sure that the primarch with invisibility mentioned in the old codex is Corax. It says in Ravens Flight that corax could walk through enemy lines without anyone noticing him, which he then does.

Crantor has made several points, and I especially like the "Fluff it up" part...

I'd definitely be in!


Plus, it helps relieve my soul, figuring that we'd be speculating about these Legions, rather than stating it's cannon...

I'm fine with the name being changed, It is a community project afterall. I suppose scouts is silly, what I ment was some kind of Power Armoured Astartes fitted to a scouting role.

What you say about Russia is true but during the Revolution the Reds relied on Guerrilla tactics in the cities, in WW2 every last building was fought over in any City that the Germans were attacking. At Stalingrad guerrilla tactics, intense urban warfare and 1000000+ men was the only reason that they won. Stalingrad couldn't fall so they used almost every tactic in the book. Also, the Post-War USSR sponsored Guerrilla Warfare in foreign countries in an attempt to gain more communist 'allies' through getting rid of the current Govt and replacing it with Commies.

Anyway, enough on my rant on why Guerrilla Warfare is suited to a Russian themed army.

Well I guess what leader we choose to base the primarch on will result in what type or warfare we use. Trotsky had a firm belief in the rights of the basic person which fits guerrilla warfare in a way, as there tends to be less casualties as opposed to Stalin's "Send in the next wave!" strategy.
Also some of the guerrilla warfare endorsed by the USSR was done using the native people like the Vietcong which played a major role in the defeat of the USA in the Vietnam war.

Thanks for supporting the idea of Gueriila Warfare Idget.

So what do we know for definate?
Not just about the legions, but also the direction this thread is going in.