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all of them..... Anyway its 11:15 Good night!

How about they initially went against one of the Emperors commands and discovered something he wanted to be kept a secret, and to keep it hidden, he tried to remove all records of them. This knowledge made the legion turn against the Emperor and then they left the galaxy. The end. It's sort of a combintion of some of the points.

Its an interesting idea, but it's a little...well, "cluttered" is the best word I can come up with, like it was a story to explain every single point we came up with. I'm willing to let one or two theorys fall by the wayside for the sake of good storytelling. Idk though, as far as fan-made material goes, I'd buy it

Well I think we've kind of halted.
Legion NO.1:
Have a geneseed defect making them weak and deformed, tentacles, wings, laser vison (Jk for that one), the are following the stronger legion because they cant really defend for themselves. The weaker legions primarch died because his mutation went too far while in the galaxy where the tyranids were, he was then consumed by the tyranids. The other primarch and his legion and the remainder of the other legion fought through this galxy until they escaped. Because of the close bond that the two primarchs shared during this mission, the 2nd primarch declared revenge on the emperor to avenge his friend and brother, lord primarch no.2

Hmm...I kinda like it. Did we come to a consensus on the stronger legion? Also, for legion two's theme, I do not think there are any Russian cossak inspired Space Marines, perhaps we could go that route? (This is coming from an ENORMOUS vostroyan and valhallan fan)

Archmagos_Amadeus wrote:Hmm...I kinda like it. Did we come to a consensus on the stronger legion? Also, for legion two's theme, I do not think there are any Russian cossak inspired Space Marines, perhaps we could go that route? (This is coming from an ENORMOUS vostroyan and valhallan fan)

You'll be glad to know that there aren't any Russian themed SM chapters, the closest to them are the White Scars (but are a lot more mongolian). I like the idea of a Russian themed lot of Space Marines. They would be a good compliment to an Chinise themed Astartes Legion.

If they are going to be brothers then how can one be chinese and the other be russian? Were they found on different areas of land or something?

Genetically speaking, all Primarchs are "Brothers", so they could just both be from different planets but have a closer bond, like Ferrus Manus and Fulgrim.

Because there totally can't be Russians and Chinese people on one planet. That would be silly

idget wrote:If they are going to be brothers then how can one be chinese and the other be russian? Were they found on different areas of land or something?

Well technicaly ALL of the Primarchs are brothers and there is a Mongolian one (Jaghatai Khan), a North American tribal one (Lion El'Johnson), a Romanesque one (Roboute Guilliman), the Viking (Leman Russ) and others who have adopted the customs of their homeworld.

Their identity was mainly shaped by their upbringing and the customs and styles native to their first homeworlds. All of them were named by the people they were rescued/taken in/captured/feared by. The brothers could have landed on different planets or even different parts of the planet which had different customs and were descended from different parts of humanity.

Edit: Just realise that you beat my post by 7 minutes Archmagos_Amadeus.

Archmagos_Amadeus wrote:Because there totally can't be Russians and Chinese people on one planet. That would be silly

I laughed at that one. Your definately one of my favourite contributers to the project.

Let me tell you what we have for my legion:
Angels of Salvation were the 2nd, of the original twenty, Space Marine Legions.Their primarch is Constantine.Legion strenth is 100 000 marines.Angels of Salvation are split into brotherhoods, each brotherhood has its own painting scheme
Here is Angels of Salvation Tactical marine:

What if Constantine and Allister Khaine led 101 expedition together during great crusade thats why they have relations as brothers have.

What is the weaker Legion name?

@Constantine: I think it has already been established that one of the Legions Primarchs will have an Oriental Themed name and that maybe the other a Russian one. Your input is welcome but we are past the stage of deciding to pick someones whole idea over another. The name of your Legion probably wont be used (since their are 2 Legions with Angel as part of their name already). The idea of 'Brotherhoods' is a good idea, similar to Corennus's idea 'Orders' and may be used. It is really up to all of the other contributers whether or not any aspects of your idea are used.

Yours

Gathering Strom

P.S. You didn't have to repost the exact same thing you did earlier.

Archmagos_Amadeus wrote:Genetically speaking, all Primarchs are "Brothers", so they could just both be from different planets but have a closer bond, like Ferrus Manus and Fulgrim.

Because there totally can't be Russians and Chinese people on one planet. That would be silly

Lol, what I meant was all the planets that are in the 40k universe tend to be somewhat one dimensional with only one real culture.
Anyway, most of the Primarchs are modelled on a real life person like Genghis Khan and so on. Who would we have? Stalin lol?

either that or a Templar Theme. As that is missing O.o
Anyway. I thought about some chapter badasses.
and i will post my most favorite characters after school hours. Be back in 8 hours :*(

idget wrote:Lol, what I meant was all the planets that are in the 40k universe tend to be somewhat one dimensional with only one real culture.
Anyway, most of the Primarchs are modelled on a real life person like Genghis Khan and so on. Who would we have? Stalin lol?

There are other Russian rulers that we could model him on: Lenin believed in equality and started off with the best intentions; or Ivan IV (the terrible) who conquered large chunks of Eastern Russia for his Moscow based empire.

For the Oriental themed Primarch he could be based on Qin Shi Huang the uniter of large amounts of China.

Asherian Command wrote:either that or a Templar Theme. As that is missing O.o

Yes, but after the Horus Heresy one of the first Second Founding chapters was the Black Templars. Then there are two other Templar chapters (White and Red). I think we should try and keep away from themes that are established in canon chapters' fluff.

If we wanted to play the genetic flaw angle, we could go wihth the last Tsar of Russia, Nicolas the Second: his son had anemia and he relied more and more upon the counsel and advice of his apothecary(The famous Rasputin) and this led to a mutually ill fate. Almost like a Erebus-Horus relationship. Perhaps this "healer and counselor" could be his brother, or a chaos god? Just thinking outside the box

Although I concur that an Ivan the Terrible Primarch would be pretty sweet.

Archmagos_Amadeus wrote:If we wanted to play the genetic flaw angle, we could go wihth the last Tsar of Russia, Nicolas the Second: his son had anemia and he relied more and more upon the counsel and advice of his apothecary(The famous Rasputin) and this led to a mutually ill fate. Almost like a Erebus-Horus relationship. Perhaps this "healer and counselor" could be his brother, or a chaos god? Just thinking outside the box

Although I concur that an Ivan the Terrible Primarch would be pretty sweet.

Thats a brilliant idea, I remember studying 1905-1954 Russia in History and the insidious role Rasputin played so the idea of a Chaos God taking the roll of a 'Rasputinesque' character to an ill fated Nicholas II styled Primarch fits both the Russian theme and the weaker Legion perfectly. Good show Archmagos_Amadeus.

I like the idea of Ivan the Terrible as well, but your suggestion fits everything together so well.

Sorry I havent been on my internet broke

kravus master of Horus wrote:Sorry I havent been on my internet broke

Thats quite alright, it was matters out of your own control.

So what do you think of all the ideas that have slowly evolved?
I'm quite intriqued at what it will lead to.

Ok, if we were to use Lenin then that would be good for the weaker Primarch, he could have been driven out of his homeworld by a Stalinesque character and met the other primarch. Lenin was always a weaker leader when compared to Stalin but also commanded the military shaving a strong tactical mind so he could quite easilly be a primarch.

That's the kind of neat synergy I like seeing. I'm genuinely surprised that noone tried to boot a Primarch off their planet, considering the Xenophobic nature of humanity. Let's get some concept art up in this piece. Also, I'm still not clear on the "Stronger Primarch/Weaker Primarch" concept. What exactly is it?

I do like the Nicholas the Second concept, so if I don't misinterpret the "Stronger brother, weaker brother" concept too much, I like the idea of the two becoming mutually dependent or the "weaker" brother becoming dependent on another.

One last question I've been pondering for some time...

Do the two legions HAVE to be linked? I know its an obvious conclusion given that they BOTH were deleted, but is it NECESSARY?

It's not neccesary but we have alot more freedom and theres room for a reltionship, you have to think like an author.

idget wrote:Ok, if we were to use Lenin then that would be good for the weaker Primarch, he could have been driven out of his homeworld by a Stalinesque character and met the other primarch. Lenin was always a weaker leader when compared to Stalin but also commanded the military shaving a strong tactical mind so he could quite easilly be a primarch.

That was Trotsky. Stalin idealised Lenin (or pretended to to give him self a good image) and Lenin died of natural causes. Now Trotsky on the other hand was booted out of the Bolshevik Party by Stalin (despite being a brave hero and leader of the Civil War and the Revoloution), then Russia itself (by Stalin) and was finally killed by Soviet Agents in 1940 on Stalins orders. Trotsky was an idealist like Lenin and was also a great military strategist who won several key battles for the Red's in the Civil War.

A kind of Nicholas the Second/Leon Trotsky hybrid would work perfectly.

An idealist leader with a genetic flaw, being weaker than a 'standard' Primarch is booted off of his adopted homeworld by a tyranical Stalinesque leader (like you suggested). This Primarch doesn't return to the planet until he meets his long lost (Oriental Themed) brother who was on a crusade to unify his system. The two instantly recognise that they are brothers and the Stronger brother helps the Nicho-Trotsky take his land back from the nasty Stalinesque Tyrant.

Well something like that anyway.

Great ideas from everyone so far.

I like Gathering Storm's latest contribution... Nice start for their relationship... And afterwards, we can go on with the curse / tyranid bane / Emperor's sadness / whatever...

I like it

Im not too sure about the oriental theme now with the Russian theme for the weaker legion, I'd much prefere a templar angle, something with alot of grace and nobility. The oriental theme was good at the time but considering how much this thread has evolved I think we should go for something else, for instance alot things have been based around really old things like Romans and Vikings. What if we made the stronger legion more futuristic give them more of an Eldar sense of style.

kravus master of Horus wrote:Im not too sure about the oriental theme now with the Russian theme for the weaker legion, I'd much prefere a templar angle, something with alot of grace and nobility. The oriental theme was good at the time but considering how much this thread has evolved I think we should go for something else, for instance alot things have been based around really old things like Romans and Vikings. What if we made the stronger legion more futuristic give them more of an Eldar sense of style.

But the Templars already have a chapter, or three and there is already a 'Roman' Legion and a 'Viking' Legion.

The Oriental Theme would be best for the 'Stronger' Legion if we make the person that the Primarch is based on Qin Shi Huang, since Qin was a strong leader who united a large amount of what is now China.

The Eldar have a lot of Oriental thematics in their symbols and some designs so it would not be hard to add their grace and nobility to an Oriental Legion (as Samurai are noble, imperial guards were noble and grace was encouraged by many Chinese emperors/kings) and besides the Knight Templars were never really known for their grace even if they were noble.

You might if misunderstood me,
I said that there was already a roman and viking legion and they're all based on old things so what if this legion was more futuristic.

That could work.
Like one is based on Modern Civilizations!
Which would make sense in some way.

kravus master of Horus wrote:You might if misunderstood me,
I said that there was already a roman and viking legion and they're all based on old things so what if this legion was more futuristic.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I hadn't seen it that way.

Futuristic would work even modern day. That's an idea to ponder.

I still think one of them has to Russian Themed Legion. I'm quite fond of a Oriental Themed Legion but futuristic sounds quite interesting, hang on why not combine the two: A far advanced futuristic Sino-Japanese world with historic themes.

You Know what I was thinking of having a Group in my chapter sorta like in Assassins Creed that fight against my chapter. Like one side is the assassins. The other is the Templars my Faction O.o.
That reminds me we have no Legion that is labled as just Assassins apart from the night lords.