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Just skimmed through the entire thread. Great Stuff! I like to see other people's Daemons, especially converted ones. The KOS looks like it will be difficult to transport with the spikey hair, are you going to leave it off? I probably would. The Daemon Prince looks like it will be impressive when completed! Are you going to add more to the robes or just smooth it over? I hear milliput is good for smoothing surfaces, saw it in that "Painting Secrets with Natalya" (Not recommended btw, she doesn't give any of her secrets away, you just stare at the screen confused for many hours). Hope to see more soon.

Asuryan wrote:Just skimmed through the entire thread. Great Stuff! I like to see other people's Daemons, especially converted ones. The KOS looks like it will be difficult to transport with the spikey hair, are you going to leave it off? I probably would. The Daemon Prince looks like it will be impressive when completed! Are you going to add more to the robes or just smooth it over? I hear milliput is good for smoothing surfaces, saw it in that "Painting Secrets with Natalya" (Not recommended btw, she doesn't give any of her secrets away, you just stare at the screen confused for many hours). Hope to see more soon.

Not sure what I will be doing about the Keeper of Secrets' hair. But I am certainly not going to be worrying about it until I've got the body sorted . I have a few ideas, may end up painting her without it too, it is a pain.

The DP has a lot more needing to be done to her, and the robes are at a very early stage. They've not even been given their base shape yet. Once I have that, I will putting on the folds with newer greenstuff. Milliput is okay, though I think what you're thinking of is the milliput wash effect, where you make it into a paste and then sandpaper it so it's smooth. You can do something similar with the new LGS if you're careful and use a really high sandpaper grade. I will be trying to get a smooth surface using my colour shapers and petroleum jelly however, so it'll only be used if something goes wrong.

Glad to see you enjoyed my work . As you can see by the fact I started this blog in 2010, you might be waiting a while for some of the stuff.

Damn, your greenstuff work is amazing.

I've been getting on well, though nothing really impressive enough to take pictures of.

I based and basecoated the Shadow Hounds with my Vallejo surface primer, and I cut up and froze all but a small piece of my new brown and green stuffs. Hopefully that means I won't have to replace them again now until I actually run out.

Currently looking to start painting the bases of the shadow hounds, even though I forgot how I did the base for my Whisper (one of the few things I didn't write down). Going to go for a simple grey for all the ground, with variations on a grey theme using paints and washes to build up subtle colours and graduations on the various rocks and bits of building.

And maybe write it down this time.

LoneLictor: Thanks for the compliment. Hopefully, with some new greenstuff, my work will be a lot smoother and less bitty in places. All I need to do now is decide if I want to play with the KoS, the DP or the Horrors next.

LadyCassandra wrote:LoneLictor: Thanks for the compliment. Hopefully, with some new greenstuff, my work will be a lot smoother and less bitty in places. All I need to do now is decide if I want to play with the KoS, the DP or the Horrors next.

And I've actually been painting my brother's Kasrkin. My unbroken streak continues! Whoo!

Almost finished the commander, just need to do the details now and maybe work his skin up a bit more, and then I'll post him up.

Well, I finally got my camera sorted out and took some photographs of the finished Kasrkin Sergeant in all of his finished glory.




My brother's Imperial Guard are Ultramarine attaches (or they're from Macragge, or something, I forget), so they're painted in Smurf colours and shoulder pads.

In other news, I got a job! I start tomorrow, doing some admin work for a company in the nearby town. It's only temporary, but it's some new money in and I'm looking forward to it. Of course, this means less updates as I'll be working a lot of the time and won't be in the mood to work on my mini's for a bit.

Not that you're not used to a grindingly slow rate of progress from me anyway...

Hey guys, long time no see!

Well, I've been working on my Daemons recently and I figured I'd let you all see how I'm doing. Been working on the greenstuff pretty much. My Shades are currently getting gaps filled and the backs of their heads sculpted properly, along with filling in tentacle holes and open mouths, ready for the big tentacle and new-chest sculpting. There are 22 of these monsters to do, so progress has been pretty slow. Sorry about the pictures, they were done pretty quickly.



Shades:
1. Finish sculpting backs of the Dryad heads (and necks) and filling in arm gaps.
2. Sculpt new chests to cover up the Horrors' heads.
3. Sculpt the tentacles and pull them into their new positions.
4. Add fire to the Shades who need some on their hands.
5. Base them properly and get them base-coated!

I also had to resculpt one of my Dryad head's jaw, as it had somehow snapped off at some point (probably during stripping). This was incredibly hard work, but I think it came out pretty well.



I've also been working on my Keeper of Secrets, I've fixed the left side of her sash a bit (it didn't extend the whole way across before), sculpted so her bracelet no longer has a gap, and - *drum roll* - added the gem settings and gemstones onto her chain-bikini-thing. Really pleased with how the gems came out, especially as they are such a feature on this model now.



This leaves her with her body mostly done, apart from sorting out the smoothing over her left arm, to get rid of the Slaaneshi tattoos. I've been looking at the model again and I think that the original modellers were right, without the "sleeves" on the original model, that's probably way too much fleshtone for anyone's taste. As such, I think I might look to the Diaz daemonettes again for inspiration and consider doing scale armour on her right leg and left arm. I would paint it as obsidian I think, as it's quite a big area, might try doing a black-gem or NMM black shiny armour effect on it, but that might be a bit too ambitious.



Keeper of Secrets:
1. Smooth and otherwise fix up the model.
2. Sculpt the leg and arm armour, if doing. Else, make sure the same areas are flat and seem like flesh.
3. Sculpt fire around her left hand, possibly pin in and re-sculpt in her missing finger beforehand. (Keeper of Secrets has a ranged attack, right? Else why do I see all those KoS models with whips? )
4. Fill in the mouth and make it mouthless, change to a mask if I don't like it.
5. Pin and sculpt hair similar to the Diaz daemonettes' hair down her back, because the Forgeworld hair is horrible for transport. Horrible.



I don't have any further plans for the Keeper of Secrets (apart from actually giving her a cool Obscuras name, but I'm still unsure about it. Came up with "Suneater" the other day, but that still sounds too epic ). However, my plans are rarely, if ever, final so we'll have to see when we get there.

I really really would like to make serious inroads on the army by the time February and the new codex roll around (maybe? yes? please?). Originally, I wanted to finish it by February, but now I'm going to try to have everything finished, modelling wise, by then. That's probably a saner goal than doing that and then painting the whole army.

Good to see you back, progress is looking really good. I really like the chains and gems on the keeper.

just found this and i think this is really awesome cant wait to see it painted. glad your back at it.

I have some of those karsikans too they are really awesome. hope you reach your goal by feb that would be awesome keep up the awesome work.

Chain bikini? Yes please.

Awesome idea adding armor to the leg and arm, especially if you just like practice doing that kind of stuff. The hair... perhaps you can magnetize it? Would be a shame to resculpt it entirely, and you might end up with more problems than you began with because it messes with the balance and composition of the model...

GiraffeX wrote:Good to see you back, progress is looking really good. I really like the chains and gems on the keeper.

Thanks GiraffeX! You're always the first to welcome me back after one of these little hiatuses . I appreciate your keen eye . And thanks regarding the chain bikini - it was a bit of a crazy idea but it looks great. Really chuffed considering it was my first attempt at ever doing gems. Mind you, my little tool for making the setting indentations was of less use than I thought, it was too big! (seed beads, too big on a super-heavy monstrous creature.. gah) Also I had to finetune the settings and gems about four or five times for each one before I was happy with them. But you live and learn . Now I'm looking forward to doing the little gems on her collar.

alabamaheretic wrote:just found this and i think this is really awesome cant wait to see it painted. glad your back at it.

I have some of those karsikans too they are really awesome. hope you reach your goal by feb that would be awesome keep up the awesome work.

Thanks! Yeah, the kasrkin are gorgeous models, especially if they aren't miscast with a bloody great offset running through them . And yeah, we can hope I'll reach it by February. Then I'll just have an entire army to paint, I've only painted my Chained so far, so that will be quite the challenge. (*gibbers*)

Meade wrote:Chain bikini? Yes please.

Awesome idea adding armor to the leg and arm, especially if you just like practice doing that kind of stuff. The hair... perhaps you can magnetize it? Would be a shame to resculpt it entirely, and you might end up with more problems than you began with because it messes with the balance and composition of the model...

Haha, thanks. I did shamelessly steal the idea wholesale from one of Diaz's daemonettes though, I think the picture is still hanging around somewhere. And yeah, I should probably practice the armour and do some sketches to make sure I get it looking right. Still umming and ahhing about it, but I do have some brown stuff to do it with, and a whole bunch of plasticard. Haven't worked it out yet, though the fact the arm armour will be facing behind her unless I make it an enclosed style might make it look a bit strange. Also, I have to try my best to not look like the new Dark Eldar designs, as that's my boyfriend's army and one of my army's regular opponents. Can't be having with that, now can we?

As for the hair, I don't know. The long tassles on the original model... I've been working on her without them and I just don't think that they really add all that much to the balance of the model, she seems perfectly balanced in the recent pictures with the bloody things off. As for magnetising them, I'd have to say that would likely be a lost cause as I could barely pin them, and then they fell out anyway, one or two of them snapping off at the same time. They seem to be incredibly brittle aswell. I just don't like them. Originally I was going to weave further strands through the rest of the current hair to try to get the hair into one mass, but realised quickly that copying the crazy vein and bracelet effect on the current strands would take a long time. And I don't even like the vein detail...

 LadyCassandra wrote:

Haha, thanks. I did shamelessly steal the idea wholesale from one of Diaz's daemonettes though, I think the picture is still hanging around somewhere. And yeah, I should probably practice the armour and do some sketches to make sure I get it looking right. Still umming and ahhing about it, but I do have some brown stuff to do it with, and a whole bunch of plasticard. Haven't worked it out yet, though the fact the arm armour will be facing behind her unless I make it an enclosed style might make it look a bit strange. Also, I have to try my best to not look like the new Dark Eldar designs, as that's my boyfriend's army and one of my army's regular opponents. Can't be having with that, now can we?

Meh, i don't see a problem with copying the dark eldar designs. Since Slaanesh was created from their own thoughts, and will ultimately feast on all their souls. they are supposed to kind of look like dark eldar, but daemony.

As for the hair, I don't know. The long tassles on the original model... I've been working on her without them and I just don't think that they really add all that much to the balance of the model, she seems perfectly balanced in the recent pictures with the bloody things off. As for magnetising them, I'd have to say that would likely be a lost cause as I could barely pin them, and then they fell out anyway, one or two of them snapping off at the same time. They seem to be incredibly brittle aswell. I just don't like them. Originally I was going to weave further strands through the rest of the current hair to try to get the hair into one mass, but realised quickly that copying the crazy vein and bracelet effect on the current strands would take a long time. And I don't even like the vein detail...

Well, it will probably be work to get the hair to look right if you do it yourself, is all. But you could probably just make snakes and have it hanging down. Or she could be bald... or have chains coming out where the hair strands should be?

Meade: Umm, well yes, that would make loads of sense for Slaanesh, but she's not really supposed to be a Keeper of Secrets, she's the model for my Greater Daemon of Obscuras, hence the lack of pincer arms, the fire I'll be adding, and so on. I can understand the confusion though regarding the base model and the crimping from ideas from the Diaz Daemonettes (and the boobs..)

I'm so happy with the direction I took the Shades (Horrors) in, that they look like completely new daemons, and will even more so with the black paintjob. The difference between the model releases help the difference too (that's how long I've been working on this army, sigh). The Whispers and, to a certain extent, my Greater Daemon, are relying on the massive difference between the Diaz and current daemonette models. Tentacles instead of crazy hair, odd noseless faces opposed to wrinkled up monstrous ones and of course I've avoided the pincers at every opportunity, as the Diaz Seekers have daggers instead.

I'm hoping my extensive greenstuff work on the Forgeworld Keeper of Secrets will allow me to make her a unique looking model without taking away the graceful figure that I love. She's still got to have fire added to her hand and her face made mouthless (or masked), plus the hair idea. It'll still be obvious what the base was, but as it's Forgeworld hopefully I won't see too many on the table anyway. I also find it helps when using counts-as if the model at least looks vaguely like what it's going to be used as. It's a fine line to walk between being recognizably a Horror counts-as versus being recognizably a slightly converted Horror. I don't know if I've walked it properly, for the Hounds and the Night Terrors especially.

Comparison time.

Horrors vs Shades


Diaz vs Current Seekers


My KoS vs Forgeworld's


Back to Meade: I don't really mind work, and I'm still trying to get the whole greenstuff thing down pat, which I can't do if I don't push myself a little bit. Like I said above, I'll likely make it a copy of the Diaz daemonette hair, which as you can see from the picture I linked, has smooth tentacles as hair which overlap and drape down the back (cunningly hiding the awkward meeting spot for my chain bikini, mwahahaha). I figured I would pin wire into her scalp as an armature, then make each "tentacle/snake" individually and follow the curves on my reference picture, only at a larger scale. Wire, sculpt, next tentacle, and so on until I have a full head of hair.

If I don't like it and want to try again, out come the pliers and off it comes. I have yet to see greenstuff that wont come off if you yank on it (much to my chagrin on occasion). So, you don't need to worry about me .

However! I love the idea of chain hair... one of Obscuras' themes to signify leaders is chains. Maybe I can weave it through the hair if I get a fine enough chain, or around the tentacles. Yay, detail! . Hrm, any ideas on incorporating the chains into the tentacles?

 LadyCassandra wrote:
Meade: Umm, well yes, that would make loads of sense for Slaanesh, but she's not really supposed to be a Keeper of Secrets, she's the model for my Greater Daemon of Obscuras, hence the lack of pincer arms, the fire I'll be adding, and so on. I can understand the confusion though regarding the base model and the crimping from ideas from the Diaz Daemonettes (and the boobs..)

Yeah, that makes sense. However if you are trying to make her slightly more mortal looking, the diaz daemonettes look more like dressed up mortals (thus the armor plates) whereas the new versions look more organic. If you made a similar armor style, but a bit more ornamental, and perhaps did something a little different with the paintjob, it would look different than dark eldar.

Back to Meade: I don't really mind work, and I'm still trying to get the whole greenstuff thing down pat, which I can't do if I don't push myself a little bit. Like I said above, I'll likely make it a copy of the Diaz daemonette hair, which as you can see from the picture I linked, has smooth tentacles as hair which overlap and drape down the back (cunningly hiding the awkward meeting spot for my chain bikini, mwahahaha). I figured I would pin wire into her scalp as an armature, then make each "tentacle/snake" individually and follow the curves on my reference picture, only at a larger scale. Wire, sculpt, next tentacle, and so on until I have a full head of hair.

However! I love the idea of chain hair... one of Obscuras' themes to signify leaders is chains. Maybe I can weave it through the hair if I get a fine enough chain, or around the tentacles. Yay, detail! . Hrm, any ideas on incorporating the chains into the tentacles?

sounds good, although i would say that the armature would only be useful for kind of sketching out the final product. Or, if you want to give certain snakes a shape that defies gravity. As long as you don't try to 'sculpt' the curves into the snake, just roll it out straight and bend it into the position you want... You could also experiment with giving the snakes a texture, by rolling the snakes on top of something that has texture.

several ways you could do the chain... as a sort of hairnet, just attaching it to the scalp and letting it weave around the outside, or grab some ring shaped jewellery findings that you can attach the chain to and incorporate them into the snakes... to look like rings with chain coming off them... would be really cool.

 Meade wrote:
Yeah, that makes sense. However if you are trying to make her slightly more mortal looking, the diaz daemonettes look more like dressed up mortals (thus the armor plates) whereas the new versions look more organic. If you made a similar armor style, but a bit more ornamental, and perhaps did something a little different with the paintjob, it would look different than dark eldar.

Hmm, yeah, I can see what you mean. The slatted effect is something I think works well on the models and is fairly easy to do, in comparison to other types at least.



I particularly like the first one's armour, though I would have to come up with my own design for the knee plate, as I don't like either of those. The arm armour is by far the most difficult one to pull off at the strange angle the arm is at, however. :\

sounds good, although i would say that the armature would only be useful for kind of sketching out the final product. Or, if you want to give certain snakes a shape that defies gravity. As long as you don't try to 'sculpt' the curves into the snake, just roll it out straight and bend it into the position you want... You could also experiment with giving the snakes a texture, by rolling the snakes on top of something that has texture.

several ways you could do the chain... as a sort of hairnet, just attaching it to the scalp and letting it weave around the outside, or grab some ring shaped jewellery findings that you can attach the chain to and incorporate them into the snakes... to look like rings with chain coming off them... would be really cool.

I've got wire for my armature work, so it'll be easy enough to wrap around the tentacle and bend it into position. I am aware that trying to sculpt a bend doesn't really work very well. and I shall have plenty of practice doing the tentacles for my Shades before I try it out on my KoS.

Regarding the chain, I like the latter idea, though I'm still working on some sketches for the idea for the moment.

I'm going to the boyfriend's family this Christmas, leaving tomorrow, so this'll be it until the new year. Have a good one!

Regarding the KoS's hair (shall we call her the Nightfiend for the sake of discussion) I would actually leave the protuberances as they are. They look almost like coral or vents.

Perhaps you could add some spines to her back to compensate?

Anyway, I love this blog. Consider me on board!

Well, glad I could help a bit and have a good holiday! Make sure you keep the internet informed once you get back to it

Squigsquasher wrote:Regarding the KoS's hair (shall we call her the Nightfiend for the sake of discussion) I would actually leave the protuberances as they are. They look almost like coral or vents.

Perhaps you could add some spines to her back to compensate?

Anyway, I love this blog. Consider me on board!

Thanks for the compliments . Regarding the spines, I'm not sure, they're a bit too "tyranid-y" for my liking. Perhaps I've seen too many Carnifexes with those vents on the back armour.

Meade wrote:Well, glad I could help a bit and have a good holiday! Make sure you keep the internet informed once you get back to it

Will do! Not actually done any work since I got back last night, but I did open up some presents from my wonderful sister - including 2 Winsor & Newton Series 7 brushes, a 0 and a 1! *runs around yelling happily* Mother dearest is also sewing me a brush roll, it's denim and pink, but I'll manage... . They're still in their little protective tubes at the moment, I'm honestly a bit scared to use them.

Not that I will be for a while, I've still got loads of greenstuff work to do first.

Well, why the long silence you ask (probably, if anyone's still there). Well, in February I got a job in the big city as a Junior Developer, and pretty much ever since I've been running around like mad arranging the move, working hard and zonking out when I got home. My miniatures have taken a bit of a back seat to all this hubbub, but at long last I have something to show you!

Well a little something, don't get your hopes up.

On my theme of never, ever working on one thing for very long, I give you my conversions for the Shades (Horrors count-as) Herald and Standard Bearer.

The Herald is sporting some fabulous horns from the Seekers' kit. I hate them on the beasties anyway, so he gets a fine new pair to show off, along with a staff. This isn't finished, but I'm not sure where to go with it. A tentacle wrapped around the very bottom and inching upwards, certainly, but what about the rest? Am considering a sort of chipped obsidian look but that may drive me potty trying to sculpt. The top, by the way, is the top of the Woof Elf spellsinger's staff, though you can't really see it on this picture. He needs that gap on his shoulder filling in as well, and the same work on tentacles and the chest as the rest of the Shades. Pretty happy with how he turned out, though may have to sculpt some more flames on him somewhere. Any ideas?


And here's the standard bearer. I think he's mostly going to be holding aloft the Burning Banner, or whatever it's called, so I think there's going to be some fire sculpting going on here, on the banner at least. Still not sure about the pole topper. May just hide it all with lots of fire, though the fire brazier bit from the Flagellants sprue also looked pretty good when I tried it (I have so many bitz). The banner is a bit of a chimera. The top is from a Dark Elf banner, the pole from the hand upwards is plasticard rod, and the main banner itself is from the Daemonettes kit, with the attached claw cut and sanded off and a bit of jiggery-pokery got one of the semi-closed Horror hands around it, glued and green-stuffed to make sure it worked (also yes, he has two arms on that side, the staff is being held by the rear one). The staff was too long, so I had to cut and reattach, filling it with brown-stuff. It still needs some more sanding and possibly a bit of LGS before I'm happy with it. Same as on the banner, which had a relief of a Slaanesh symbol on it I had to carve down and sand off. I also drilled holes through the dangling bits and attached chains to make it look like it was being held up. Going to set them with GW's Liquid Super Glue (apparently as it's so watered down it's excellent for it) once I'm happy with the conversion. For now it's a lot easier to be able to blu-tack them out of the way when necessary. This model is going to be a real pain to get into the crevices to paint it! Though, I have to admit this particular model has been a pain in my rear as his leg has snapped off more times than I can count. It's now pinned, green-stuff and the rear leg is glued and greenstuffed to the little tube on the base. Hopefully this will keep it from doing it again, but I'm half considering extending the pole with plasticard a bit more until it hits the floor. Thoughts?


So, umm, enjoy! And I'll try to get some more/better pics of them after my next session, which will probably be today.

Welcome back, wanted to comment when you posted over on my blog but over 3 months since last post so didn't want to get a necro'ing slap, just started back on mine too

I'll look forward to more updates with eager anticipation!

Hey, glad to see you back ! And congrats on the job

As for the models, they do look promising... Though most of your trouble probably comes from the fact that they're based off metal models, which is pretty hard to tweak & convert, and still is resilient.

Have you considered the plastic Horrors ?

Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:Welcome back, wanted to comment when you posted over on my blog but over 3 months since last post so didn't want to get a necro'ing slap, just started back on mine too

I'll look forward to more updates with eager anticipation!

I'm still jealous of how many Daemonettes you have . And yeah, it's been quite a long time since I've done anything of note on my army. They've mostly been gathering dust, literally.

Yggdrasil wrote:Hey, glad to see you back ! And congrats on the job

As for the models, they do look promising... Though most of your trouble probably comes from the fact that they're based off metal models, which is pretty hard to tweak & convert, and still is resilient.

Have you considered the plastic Horrors ?

Thanks! Also, trouble? . Oh right, the leg snapping. In his defence, I removed the support strut on his other leg out of a girlish "Oh wouldn't it look nice and fluid and dynamic if he only had one leg on the ground and this ugly vent was clipped off?". Little did I know at the time. Funnily enough, the ones with tails on the ground work mostly fine without the vents. And I quite like the way his leg muscles look now, subtly wrong.

Alas, while plastic would be easier to work with, I :-

a) have twenty-two metal horrors and zero plastic horrors
b) have heavily converted said twenty-two horrors
c) find the new ones are a bit of a throwback to the comical, waving large hands in the air style, rather than the disturbing be-tentacled somewhat sleek and fast looking style of the metal Horrors

I'm not sure I could pull off "Shadow Daemon" with the new ones very convincingly. (I'm not even going to think about what it'd look like on the first and second versions. Brr.) Of course, if I plan to grow the army at some point, I may have to consider it, or source more metals from eBay. Maybe they'll have redone the line with less "nostalgic" models by then .


Horrors through the Ages

I have to admit, I kinda like that my mini's are the older, less cartoon-y ones. It means I don't have to worry about my mini's looking too similar to anyone else's (or most people's anyway). Things having to be pinned and green-stuffed is just one of the downsides to that. At least I have copious plastic bits too .

Welcome back again

I prefer the older horror models as well, keep up the great work.

Thanks GiraffeX! Nice to see you're still following this ridiculously slow blog.

I think the new ones work nicely as Horrors, and they have a bunch of options which is nice, but they don't really work as Shades, or at least not how I wanted them to look, all sleek and fast and deadly. Right.. I should probably get back to work .

Well, I promised better pictures at least, so here they are!





Also, to try to get myself doing more work and less faffing about on the forums and computer games, I've signed up to be part of Darkmoonlight's Tale of Four Gamers - we'll have to see if anyone else turns up to fill up the other two (or more, I'm not sure!) slots. Hopefully it'll mean a quicker update on things!

Progress looks great on the Herald !!

Also, I can understand the "less comical" look you want to get with them...

So metal it is, then, I guess !

Always love more pictures, I think you're going to hate me even more when I start on the metal pink horrors, I might have a few of those too

Love where you're going with the banner, and I rather like the staff top, that tale of four gamers sounds interesting too clearly someone needs to get you painting more! Half tempted to try and add myself to it with my orcs and goblins, I've been assembling them slowly from whatever I can get on the cheap but I haven't been blogging them as they're a bit dull until it gets to the painting, (or at least the night goblins are).

Okay, I had a go at resculpting the chests for the new Shades and decided to practice a bit on one of the normal Shades before I tried it out on the Herald or the flag-waver. I think it turned out pretty well, even if its feminine face on this one gives it a slightly odd androgynous feel. Decided to go for a very thin but muscular look. And look! Belly-button!



Don't know if I should remove the tentacle and resculpt around it, or leave it as it is. Also need some slight sanding on some parts to get things flush. And there's a mould-line on the arm. But apart from that, what do you guys think?

Well, I've decided to drop out of the "Tale of four gamers thingy", mostly because it's become the tale of way too many gamers. I'm going to try to stick to my monthly target anyway, which was to finish off the green-stuff work on the Herald and the Standard Bearer before the end of the month (not long now!). A little disappointed by how things turned out, the other gamers were good folks and had interesting armies - there were just too many of them. A little tempted now to run my own Tale of Four XXX's (Converters? P&M'ers?) sometime, but keep it to just four participants.

Well, time to get back to the greenstuff if I'm going to make this deadline!

Hi Cassandra,

unfortunately looks like my prophecy came true... It is a bit of a mess over there, so I totally understand dropping out.

On the bright side, you've got me interested enough to follow your progress over here

Keep on sculpting, looking forward to your progress!