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Well, the "It's got rape so it's art!" thing was a joke, but yeah, I was serious because I went back and read my response to this model and realized it wasn't quite as negative as my response to the diorama. (Not that I really hated the diorama though.)

Hey now...how do you know she doesn't want it? It being a giant tentacle monster and stuff.


On the sculpt itself:

I'm sure the artist put a lot of effort into the CG sculpt, but I'm at a loss as how it got past the concept stage. It's just a mash up of parts. It doesn't offend me, it doesn't disturb me, its just dumb looking. I mean its a boob monster...okay but why does it have implants? This is the kinda of thing I used to draw when I was 12. The best monsters are grounded in reality as much as possible. You know, believable anatomy, form following function, etc. I'm kinda disappointed really, as I do like the rest of the model range.

After beeing a vivid painter and collector I haven't seen such a breathtaking mini in 25 years.
The idea and sculpt is amazing. I LOVE it and as soon it will be available again I will buy one of these !!! ^^

Am I disturbed? Am I aroused? I'm not sure...

Those those female models make me want to start a beast man army...

Nagashek wrote:Am I disturbed? Am I aroused? I'm not sure...

Those those female models make me want to start a beast man army...

Yeah, I am going with "disturbed". What kinda sick mind thought this thing up? And what kinda drugs was he on at the time? It is obvious the sculptors had skill, but why the heck did they even bother with this...thing? It is just a buncha random parts thrown together, and the pregnant women make NO sense. Utter mind-crap.

_Tim?

It could be some form of parody in regards to Lovecraftian horror.

Well, like all "art" its open to interpretation.

Personally, I see a monster yes, but I also see the cycle of birth and nurturing in this model. Look at the way in which the "monster" nurtures the baby in its arms, the amount of breast to allow nurishment to flow to the offspring....in a way, this model could just as easily be portrayed in a positive light.

The overly long male organs are one thing, but there is nothing horrid or horrific in this model, I see no torture, and no sign of rape, if anything the female aspects seem to be worshipping this thing, and willingly giving birth to its offspring, only one of the females is wearing what appears to be manacles, but no chains inhibit her movement or ability to flee.....

All in all, an interesting piece of fantasy. Why this should illicit any more negativity than the Harem women sold by Hasslefree is beyond me.

Sersi wrote:Hey now...how do you know she doesn't want it? It being a giant tentacle monster and stuff.


On the sculpt itself:

I'm sure the artist put a lot of effort into the CG sculpt, but I'm at a loss as how it got past the concept stage. It's just a mash up of parts. It doesn't offend me, it doesn't disturb me, its just dumb looking. I mean its a boob monster...okay but why does it have implants? This is the kinda of thing I used to draw when I was 12. The best monsters are grounded in reality as much as possible. You know, believable anatomy, form following function, etc. I'm kinda disappointed really, as I do like the rest of the model range.

Its not rape if you yell "SURPRISE!" first.

I could see this thing used as a daemon prince in a slaanesh themed army. And, oddly enough, this thing has had less controversy then "ALIEN CONTACT", which fits around the same theme... kinda...

Happygrunt wrote:I could see this thing used as a daemon prince in a slaanesh themed army. And, oddly enough, this thing has had less controversy then "ALIEN CONTACT", which fits around the same theme... kinda...

Just because it has breasts doesn't mean it's suddenly Slaaneshi. This thing is grotesque and centers around birth and caretaking. That's Nurgle is anything.

Hell, a Barbie Doll is more Slaaneshi than this thing.

kingdomdeath wrote:Thought I would let you guys know that the Wet Nurse has been nominated as the best sci-fi miniature of 2010 over on tabletop gaming news!

Currently its ranked #3, but is far behind the first two!
http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2010/12/18/42159

Its not really a sci-fi figure... but I guess that's just where they decided to place it.

Congratulations!

One of the things I find most fascinating about that list is the prominence of female miniatures. Take a look at the nominees;

* Nova-RusBear 4×4 Jeep (Antenociti's Workshop)
* Greatcoat Shock Troops (WarGames Factory)
* Lelith Hesperax (Games Workshop)
* Calico Kate (Soda Pop Miniatures)
* ALEPH Naga Sniper (Corvus Belli)
* Hurn (Heresy Miniatures)
* Haqqislam Saladin (Corvus Belli)
* Wet Nurse (Kingdom Death) (NSFW)
* Anathematic (Corvus Belli)
* Lt. Kara Black (Studio McVey)

We have 1 vehicle (Nova-RusBear), 1 unit box of heavily clothed, gender indeterminate troopers, 3 "aliens" for whom gender may or may not be appropriate (Anathematic, Wet Nurse, Hurn), 1 humanoid male (Saladin), and 4(!) humanoid females (Lelith, Calico Kate, Naga Sniper and Kara Black).

Please keep the comments to the sculpt and leave any insulting speculations about the moral character of the sculptor out. And merry Christmas!

Absolutionis wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:I could see this thing used as a daemon prince in a slaanesh themed army. And, oddly enough, this thing has had less controversy then "ALIEN CONTACT", which fits around the same theme... kinda...

Just because it has breasts doesn't mean it's suddenly Slaaneshi. This thing is grotesque and centers around birth and caretaking. That's Nurgle is anything.

Hell, a Barbie Doll is more Slaaneshi than this thing.

Pretty sure Slaanesh deals with excess and pleasure in all things, which is what I am seeing in this model. Excess and ecstasy. But nurgle could also work.

Poor Isha . . .

Ammmmmmm I the only one that thinks that the sculpt isn't THAT bad or graphic? I could think of worse.

Manchu wrote:Poor Isha . . .

Who's Isha?

Happygrunt wrote:

Manchu wrote:Poor Isha . . .

Who's Isha?

Eldar Goddess of healing. She's also Nurgle's "wife".

Happygrunt wrote:Pretty sure Slaanesh deals with excess and pleasure in all things, which is what I am seeing in this model. Excess and ecstasy. But nurgle could also work.

It's a monster that seems to systematically impregnate humans and leech out their milk. It's excessive in the way that Khorne has an excessive amount of skulls and blood. However, it's as "pleasurable" as a maternity ward at a hospital full of fat people.

Of course, it wasn't designed with any Chaos God in mind, but it's tiring to see people think anything with tits immediately belongs to Slaanesh.

I personally think the grotesque look plus the nurturing qualities fit nicely into Nurgle's paradigm. Nurgle is, after all, loving towards his children.

Maybe it's actually a daemon of Nurlesh, Nurgle and Slaanesh's secret butt baby.

Is it Slaanesh?

Is it in some way sexual? Yes +3 No-5

Does it have sex features from both genders? Yes +5 No-5

Is it perverted? Yes +3 No-5

Is some form of rape involved? Yes +5 No+0

Is it a total perversion of normal human sexuality? Yes +5 No+0

Is it such a horrible and disgusting perversion of human sexuality that merely looking at it it turn the stomach of a sane viewer? Yes +10 No+0

Hot chicks with big boobs isn't hard core Slaanesh perversion, the broodmother is hard core Slaneesh perversion. Calling hot chicks with big boobs hardcore Slaanesh perversion is like trying to sell glitter pants Edward from twilight as a hard core vampire to telling fans of the old hardcore vampire genre such as Bran Stroker's Dracula or Anne Rice's books. A lot of 40k players continuously say "needs more grimdark", but the wetnurse might be more than some of them ordered as people can easily make a good argument that the wetnurse is too hardcore.

schadenfreude wrote:Is it Slaanesh?

Is it in some way sexual? Yes +3 No-5

Does it have sex features from both genders? Yes +5 No-5

Is it perverted? Yes +3 No-5

Is some form of rape involved? Yes +5 No+0

Is it a total perversion of normal human sexuality? Yes +5 No+0

Is it such a horrible and disgusting perversion of human sexuality that merely looking at it it turn the stomach of a sane viewer? Yes +10 No+0

Hot chicks with big boobs isn't hard core Slaanesh perversion, the broodmother is hard core Slaneesh perversion. Calling hot chicks with big boobs hardcore Slaanesh perversion is like trying to sell glitter pants Edward from twilight as a hard core vampire to telling fans of the old hardcore vampire genre such as Bran Stroker's Dracula or Anne Rice's books. A lot of 40k players continuously say "needs more grimdark", but the wetnurse might be more than some of them ordered as people can easily make a good argument that the wetnurse is too hardcore.

Oh my god thank you for that, it's pretty much the gist of what I was thinking every time someone denounced this model as not Slaaneshi...

Well, the Lelith model is really good.

schadenfreude wrote:

Is some form of rape involved? Yes +5 No+0

Is it me, or are you guys obsessed with Rape? Where's the suggestion of rape in this model? Do you know what "to rape" actually means? I see nothing about this model which suggests overtly that the female elements are being forced into a sexual act?

I guess if you twist your imagination, you could come to that conclusion, but then the same could be said for any "love" depicting scene.....and to do so would say more about the person imagining then the scene itself.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:See although I commend the sculpting skill, I couldn't put that on the table with a straight face.

Plus any model that requires the response 'Ah I wish you hadn't found that one' to be uttered when the father in law or my sons find it would immediately disqualify it from my house.

The girls if seperate would be tempting for Dark Eldar or Chaos, I'd probably add clothes of some kind, but yeah not something I'd pick up.

LOL

Imagine taking it to a tournament and using it as a demon prince. And pretending to be puzzled when they comment about it.

Whats weird?

What ? do you find that demonette disturbing.

Thats not a penis tentacle thats a lash whip.

Well that's why you're getting negative comments, daemon princes can't have lash whips.

I swear to god if someone argues that a Lash of Submission is the same thing I'll kill you. By the way, Merry Christmas everyone!

Sorry my mistake

Its the lash of submission (Turkey slap edition)

Absolutionis wrote:This thing is grotesque and centers around birth and caretaking. That's Nurgle is anything.

Nurgle is, after all, loving towards his children.

Only if by "his children" you're referring to his diseases, and not the victims.

The use of transgressive, sexual imagery for art purposes is very, very common. This mini is a great example. Plenty of major 20th century artists and art movements have used it, though. Geiger is certainly one of the most well-known, but look at Bellmer's Poupee, or some of Helmut Newton's more openly fetishistic art, or even Epstein's Rock Drill.

I like it, a lot, as a piece of art. My wife wouldn't have it in the house -- nor the Gorm, which I like even more -- but they're both quite brilliant.

And yes, perfect for Slaanesh, or for any number of tabletop RPGs.

schadenfreude wrote:Is it Slaanesh?

Is it in some way sexual? Yes +3 No-5

Does it have sex features from both genders? Yes +5 No-5

Is it perverted? Yes +3 No-5

Is some form of rape involved? Yes +5 No+0

Is it a total perversion of normal human sexuality? Yes +5 No+0

Is it such a horrible and disgusting perversion of human sexuality that merely looking at it it turn the stomach of a sane viewer? Yes +10 No+0

Hot chicks with big boobs isn't hard core Slaanesh perversion, the broodmother is hard core Slaneesh perversion. Calling hot chicks with big boobs hardcore Slaanesh perversion is like trying to sell glitter pants Edward from twilight as a hard core vampire to telling fans of the old hardcore vampire genre such as Bran Stroker's Dracula or Anne Rice's books. A lot of 40k players continuously say "needs more grimdark", but the wetnurse might be more than some of them ordered as people can easily make a good argument that the wetnurse is too hardcore.

Oh the model is definitely Slaaneshi. The hot chicks with big boobs, are what get you into the club; this thing is what up in the VIP room. As much as I think its ugly, and un-original I can almost see people buying it out of novelty. It looks like a Japanese hentai statue or something... Not that theres anything wrong with that.


Oh, and don't be grouping Anne Rice's - Androgynous, sexy vamps in with Bram Stoker. If anything she's one of the main culprits in the sexualization of vampires, from horrific undead monsters to the abomination's seen in twilight. In short its partly her fault.

Wow! I really thought this thread was dead, or would have died awhile ago... And I realize I'm not helping by posting this, but ugh, let this thread die, PUH-LEEZE!

It was dead for 4 days and settling into rigor mortis before you posted in it... hurr.

SO ...

Judging from the comments here I guess I'm the only one that sees this fitting into the 40K universe more as a source of warp power for the Golden Throne and not as any sort of chaos deamon?

huh.


Guess I am the weird one here then. LOL