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2011/11/12 18:02:29
Subject: Re:Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Kuze - this guy is BATMAN! He should have those greaves that shoot out spikes, like in The Dark Knight, when he shoot the Joker in the face  He should also have shruikens and the Batmobile, so he can catch up with Corax and kill him
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Fact of the Day: Emperor's Children are believed to be selling strange substances to children.
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2011/11/12 18:16:53
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
Inside of a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT
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The idea of Kurze on the Batbike from Dark Knight is so awesome it hurts
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2011/11/13 00:50:24
Subject: Re:Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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The Lion, because I like the Dark Angels.
Guilliman takes second beacause of his tactical style.
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2011/11/13 00:53:00
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
Inside of a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT
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Personally I say top five are:
Sanguinius
Lion
Corax
Kurze
Russ.
Listed in descending order of mad flow
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angel of ecstasy wrote:
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2011/11/14 02:31:49
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Magnus the Red definitely. Powerful both physically and mentally. He and his legion could defeat enemies both on and off the battlefield. Shame about the Heresy though. If he hadn't used sorcery to warn the Emperor, he would be sitting on the Throne by now.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2011/11/14 02:50:35
Subject: Re:Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Crazed Cultist of Khorne
Everywhere and Nowhere(Tigard, Oregon)
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Kurze and Corax are my favorite for similar reasons.
Kurze is a bastard, there's no question about it, but he's a tragic bastard. He brought order and justice single handed to a world rife with justice through fear and singular hatred. He styled the Night Lords after this to quickly and bloodlessly take in new planets. He sacrificed him humanity to become the monster in the dark, something for humanity to hate and fear and unite in that mutual fear. He let himself die to prove that he was right. He is the textbook example of a tragic figure.
Corax is much the same; he is a father who's sons were slaughtered before his eyes by those of his brothers. He conducted horrid experiments and created monsters to ensure his son's survival. That, and the fact that he has spiky, razor edged wings on his jump pack, make him my favorite primarch.
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  Chaos Daemonhunters. Try and figure that one out. |
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2011/11/14 02:58:40
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Kurze had a split personality or was possessed by a daemon, or so I heard
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2011/11/14 03:08:33
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
Inside of a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT
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Kurze wasn't possessed nor did he have a split personality, he was cursed to be the opposite of Sanguinius. He had prophetic visions of the worst possible outcome of everything and it made him a wee bit snappy.
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angel of ecstasy wrote:
You take a dump, you flip through the Dark Eldar codex, the concept art for Lelith Hesperax shows up and you pee on the floor.
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2011/11/14 03:17:52
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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So instead of Sanguinius' general visions, Kurze had only negative visions? That's sad.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2011/11/14 03:25:58
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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TheAngrySquig wrote:Kurze wasn't possessed nor did he have a split personality, he was cursed to be the opposite of Sanguinius. He had prophetic visions of the worst possible outcome of everything and it made him a wee bit snappy.
He did have a slit personality. One minute he was concerned only with teaching some grand lesson about vindication to the Emperor, the next he was running around eating the hearts of his servants because he could, utterly oblivious to what was happening outside his own personal enjoyment.
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2011/11/14 03:29:52
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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iproxtaco wrote:TheAngrySquig wrote:Kurze wasn't possessed nor did he have a split personality, he was cursed to be the opposite of Sanguinius. He had prophetic visions of the worst possible outcome of everything and it made him a wee bit snappy.
He did have a slit personality. One minute he was concerned only with teaching some grand lesson about vindication to the Emperor, the next he was running around eating the hearts of his servants because he could, utterly oblivious to what was happening outside his own personal enjoyment.
Ok. I know Kurze went on periodic bouts of random slaughter, but was it because he had a split personality, or did he just overreact to his negative visions?
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2011/11/14 03:39:12
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Tadashi wrote:iproxtaco wrote:TheAngrySquig wrote:Kurze wasn't possessed nor did he have a split personality, he was cursed to be the opposite of Sanguinius. He had prophetic visions of the worst possible outcome of everything and it made him a wee bit snappy.
He did have a slit personality. One minute he was concerned only with teaching some grand lesson about vindication to the Emperor, the next he was running around eating the hearts of his servants because he could, utterly oblivious to what was happening outside his own personal enjoyment.
Ok. I know Kurze went on periodic bouts of random slaughter, but was it because he had a split personality, or did he just overreact to his negative visions?
Split personality, at least from my interpretation. Soul Hunter and Blood Reaver feature some scenes with Curze, he constantly shifts his attentions, one minute he's talking about the last lesson he wants to teach, the next he can barely remember what he did the previous day. Xarl says as much to Talos, that whatever grand objective was often blotted out in favour of eating the hearts of servitors.
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2011/11/14 03:44:31
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Crazed Cultist of Khorne
Everywhere and Nowhere(Tigard, Oregon)
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iproxtaco wrote:Tadashi wrote:iproxtaco wrote:TheAngrySquig wrote:Kurze wasn't possessed nor did he have a split personality, he was cursed to be the opposite of Sanguinius. He had prophetic visions of the worst possible outcome of everything and it made him a wee bit snappy.
He did have a slit personality. One minute he was concerned only with teaching some grand lesson about vindication to the Emperor, the next he was running around eating the hearts of his servants because he could, utterly oblivious to what was happening outside his own personal enjoyment.
Ok. I know Kurze went on periodic bouts of random slaughter, but was it because he had a split personality, or did he just overreact to his negative visions?
Split personality, at least from my interpretation. Soul Hunter and Blood Reaver feature some scenes with Curze, he constantly shifts his attentions, one minute he's talking about the last lesson he wants to teach, the next he can barely remember what he did the previous day. Xarl says as much to Talos, that whatever grand objective was often blotted out in favour of eating the hearts of servitors.
Its possible that Kurze's 'evil' personality was an outcome of his visions; humans often creat alternate personalities to protect oneself from traumatic experiences.
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2011/11/14 04:05:17
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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That's certainly possible. Even the Primarchs were still human after all.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2011/11/14 04:38:37
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
Inside of a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT
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Kurze was driven insane by his visions because he literally saw things the galaxy burning while huge figures laughed at his inability to do a damn thing about it. In conclusion, he was right fethed up.
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angel of ecstasy wrote:
You take a dump, you flip through the Dark Eldar codex, the concept art for Lelith Hesperax shows up and you pee on the floor.
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2011/11/14 06:05:01
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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So sad...probably why he allowed himself to killed by an assassin...he saw himself as what he hated the most...
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2011/11/14 06:08:48
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
Inside of a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT
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Yeah, he saw that he had become the crime he sought to destroy and couldn't take the greif. He's the epitome of a tragic hero
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angel of ecstasy wrote:
You take a dump, you flip through the Dark Eldar codex, the concept art for Lelith Hesperax shows up and you pee on the floor.
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2011/11/14 06:29:04
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Magnus is also another tragedy...for all his power and knowledge he couldn't see he was being manipulated by Tzeentch until it was too late. Thanks to him, the Imperial Webway was destroyed...saddest part of all, before the heresy, Magnus didn't like Horus that much...
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2011/11/14 07:05:44
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
Inside of a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT
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Magnus, Kurze, and Corax are the three tragic hero primarchs. They all have great stuff, and I would love to see Corax get flushed out
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angel of ecstasy wrote:
You take a dump, you flip through the Dark Eldar codex, the concept art for Lelith Hesperax shows up and you pee on the floor.
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2011/11/14 09:06:44
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Sneaky Sniper Drone
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I voted Sanguinus, something about a guy who even Horus, the largest ego in the galaxy, admitted would have been a better warmaster leads me to like him.
Second is Russ, I think it's fairly clear the Wolves are smarter than they look, and he personifies this, with the patience to run decades long espionage plots and rarely letting anyone see past the unreasoning berserker facade. My personal opinion of him is that he is also a psyker just as powerful as Magnus, he just never trained his abilities and they manifest by simply overwhelming the powers of other psykers nearby.
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2011/11/14 09:34:15
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Irked Necron Immortal
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The 2nd primarch. Waldo. Sadly his background is shrouded in mystery and he has not be found in 2,000 years.
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Mathhammer is NOT Warhammer.
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2011/11/14 10:16:51
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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I said Sanguinius, because he's my chapter's primarch. Apart from that...he's a little bland like the Ultramarines. Pure, brilliant and awesome. My other choice was Horus because I felt he has an awesome character, mainly due to the Horus Heresy novels.
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2011/11/14 10:38:31
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Tadashi wrote:So sad...probably why he allowed himself to killed by an assassin...he saw himself as what he hated the most...
TheAngrySquig wrote:Yeah, he saw that he had become the crime he sought to destroy and couldn't take the greif. He's the epitome of a tragic hero
I thought the whole vindication thing was because he proved that the Emperor used the same tactics as he did.
"Your presence does not surprise me, Assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the Eastern Fringes. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I have ever said or done. I merely punished those who had wronged, just as your false Emperor now seeks to punish me. Death is nothing compared to vindication."
Tadashi wrote:Magnus is also another tragedy...for all his power and knowledge he couldn't see he was being manipulated by Tzeentch until it was too late. Thanks to him, the Imperial Webway was destroyed...saddest part of all, before the heresy, Magnus didn't like Horus that much...
It was his arrogance and self importance that were his downfall. He always thought he knew best when quite clearly, he didn't.
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2011/11/14 12:37:06
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
Inside of a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT
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Magnus also had the thing he was best at and loved most torn away, so he went on despite the restrictions and it lead to his fall. So in a way, the Nikean(sp?) Creed led to his arrogance, which lead to his fall.
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angel of ecstasy wrote:
You take a dump, you flip through the Dark Eldar codex, the concept art for Lelith Hesperax shows up and you pee on the floor.
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2011/11/14 12:54:26
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Rampaging Khorne Dreadnought
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Jaghati Khan is plain bad-ass.
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2011/11/14 15:04:14
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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TheAngrySquig wrote:Magnus, Kurze, and Corax are the three tragic hero primarchs. They all have great stuff, and I would love to see Corax get flushed out
If you were so inclined, a lot of other primarchs could be included in the tragic bracket. Fulgrim would have been a good example if he'd been written properly. The Lion is in some ways. Angron is actually an excellent example if you think about it. He was found, sold into slavery and forced to fight for years. Then, when it seemed like he had found an ally, it turned out the Emperor only wanted him and left his friends to die, giving him the view that he was simply a slave under a different name. Small wonder he followed Horus.
Alternate interpretation:
And of course, Horus himself, manipulated and betrayed.
Alpharius dedicated his legion to wiping out humanity for the good of the galaxy. You can't say he's not tragic.
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2011/11/14 15:30:13
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Ancient Ultramarine Venerable Dreadnought
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rockerbikie wrote:Jaghati Khan is plain bad-ass.
It takes a truly manly man to surf into battle on the back of a Razorback.
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2011/11/14 21:17:25
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
Inside of a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT
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Which may or may not have even been invented yet. He's the manliest bastard alive.
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angel of ecstasy wrote:
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2011/11/14 22:53:34
Subject: Re:Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Regular Dakkanaut
Canada
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I am Alpharius.
(Incidentally, though, the short story in the omnibus that featured Angron left me wanting more. I agree with all previous statements that Angron, in his depiction in the series so far, comes across as much more interesting than your standard "Killmaimburn" guy)
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2011/11/14 23:18:38
Subject: Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?
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Nasty Nob on a Boar
Inside of a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT
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What I've seen of him has been "DERP, KILL!" in Galaxy in Flames, so I can't say I want much more of that
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