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WarlordRob117 wrote:

Kurgash wrote:Here is an amazing concept, follow me on this and see where it goes. You can take the new models, take the new rules and, here is the hard part, take this part of your mind, called creativity I believe, and make-your-own-stories for your new models following the new rules. :GASP: It's magic!

Thats not magical....


THIS IS MAGICAL!!!!

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GAH!!! he got me... darn you Red!!!!!

BrassScorpion wrote:Forget this thread, it's already out of news and has moved along to stale jokes and pointless comments. Here's where the real action is now:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/403766.page

I told you nothing useful is getting posted here. Now they are so bad they are getting deleted. Nothing to see here, shows over, move along, folks.

BrassScorpion ... are you talking to yourself?

FWIW, I'd say this:

yakface wrote:This rumor is a bit wrong.

It is a close combat attack for a named character.

It does apparently target identical models, though.

is where the real action is.

I'll say the same thing I posted on BoK...

I have a feeling it will work more along the lines of…

1. Necron hits unit,
2. Weapon/Psychic Power wounds (most likely this is a psychic power),
3. Unit owner assigns wound,
4. All like models in the unit take a wound as well,
6. Applicable saves are made.

This reads like a psychic power more so than a weapon and I’m betting that it will have a short range, low strength, but low AP (maybe AP3 or AP2). This ‘ability’ seems very targeted at being able to eliminate special models within a unit, such as: sergeants, special/heavy weapons. I see this being meant as a trade off. Risk losing the bulk of the standard models in a unit or lose just one, but that one is fairly important.

Should it actually be a weapon then I see this being unit specific, most likely a fast attack unit meant to get into close combat. Going off of what I mentioned above this is to give the assaulting Necron’s a chance by taking out either the most heavy hitting model or the majority.

oni wrote:I'll say the same thing I posted on BoK...

I have a feeling it will work more along the lines of…

1. Necron hits unit,
2. Weapon/Psychic Power wounds (most likely this is a psychic power),
3. Unit owner assigns wound,
4. All like models in the unit take a wound as well,
6. Applicable saves are made.

This reads like a psychic power more so than a weapon and I’m betting that it will have a short range, low strength, but low AP (maybe AP3 or AP2). This ‘ability’ seems very targeted at being able to eliminate special models within a unit, such as: sergeants, special/heavy weapons. I see this being meant as a trade off. Risk losing the bulk of the standard models in a unit or lose just one, but that one is fairly important.

Should it actually be a weapon then I see this being unit specific, most likely a fast attack unit meant to get into close combat. Going off of what I mentioned above this is to give the assaulting Necron’s a chance by taking out either the most heavy hitting model or the majority.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Not a psychic power. They are necrons.

Necrons hate psykers more than anything else.

Necron's with psychic powers?



Read Oni's post one more time:

This reads like a psychic power more so than a weapon ...

Like a psychic weapon. Like. As in "not one but similar to one." Let's not throw more hypothetical reasons out there for people to make Mat Ward jokes.

Manchu wrote:Necron's with psychic powers?



Read Oni's post one more time:

This reads like a psychic power more so than a weapon ...

Like a psychic weapon. Like. As in "not one but similar to one." Let's not throw more hypothetical reasons out there for people to make Mat Ward jokes.

You see -- it's so anathema to everything we know about Necrons that my brain would not even register its existence.

The thing is that people will read Oni's post, make the observation that Necrons hate psykers (just as you did), and then jump to a criticism of Mat Ward retconning all the fluff and justifying that leap of logic (or absence of logic) by saying (incorrectly) that Mat Ward always retcons the fluff to stuff with no precedent/that doesn't make sense. Granted, some people don't bother to go after Mat Ward specifically but rather will aim their criticism at GW.

So, I'll keep right on taking Oni's point as a metaphor thank you very much!

There have been previous rumors that Necrons whould have "Techno" powers that would mimic psychic powers but not BE psychic powers (i.e. like Demon powers, they wouldn't be affected by SITW, Runic Weapons, Psychic Hoods, or other psychic defenses).

wyomingfox wrote:There have been previous rumors that Necrons whould have "Techno" powers that would mimic psychic powers but not BE psychic powers (i.e. like Demon powers, they wouldn't be affected by SITW, Runic Weapons, Psychic Hoods, or other psychic defenses).

Well, as long as they don't take a psytest, there shouldn't be any rage.

I'm okay with there being more than one flavor of "magic" in a universe as big as 40k's. Clearly, the C'tan are "magic" is some sense.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -Arthur C Clarke

He does have a point... I mean some of the stuff Ward writes about fluff-wise is laughable... Particularly a group that is prepared to consign an entire Imperial World to extinction, and yet save a craftworlds worth of Soulstones so the next eldar crafworld to pass by will pickt them up... that makes about as much sense as Dark Millenium posts claiming that the Imperial faction to be repped is BT with psykers... BWAHAHAHA!

Back to the topic... All I can say is I just hope that half the stuff about killing spam toops is false considering the constant desire to one up the next codex after the last... whats next? A necron lord that can still insta-kill a character with eternal warrior? bleh!!!!

Manchu wrote:The thing is that people will read Oni's post, make the observation that Necrons hate psykers (just as you did), and then jump to a criticism of Mat Ward retconning all the fluff

WarlordRob117 wrote:He does have a point... I mean some of the stuff Ward writes about fluff-wise is laughable...

Are you trying to make my head explode or is that just incidental?

@CthulhuIsSpy: Exactly so. But there are folks who like their "canon" very narrow.

Manchu wrote:

Manchu wrote:The thing is that people will read Oni's post, make the observation that Necrons hate psykers (just as you did), and then jump to a criticism of Mat Ward retconning all the fluff

WarlordRob117 wrote:He does have a point... I mean some of the stuff Ward writes about fluff-wise is laughable...

Are you trying to make my head explode or is that just incidental?

@CthulhuIsSpy: Exactly so. But there are folks who like their "canon" very narrow.

nope... only swell it up enough so you cant fit your Street Judge helm over your head Law-man!!!! lol

Manchu wrote:I'm okay with there being more than one flavor of "magic" in a universe as big as 40k's. Clearly, the C'tan are "magic" is some sense.

Personally, I could care less about fluff (though I understand that for many players, fluff is thier biggest draw to 40K). I am more interested in modeling and balance in game play.

For example, I was OK when Chaos recieved a ton of "Not-Psychic" Powers because that was balanced with the fact that they had next to no psychic defence (beyond Khorne). If you can't shut down my spells, then I am OK with not being able to shut down yours. That is fair game balance.

Now compare that to the horrible Tyranid SITW FAQ which allows a SM librarian in a rhino to block Tyranid Psychic Powers while granting that same librarian immunity to SITW (Tyranid's Psychic defense) when casting his own psychic powers. This is an example of a poor game balance.

As such, I will be fine with Necrons getting "Not-Psychic" Powers, but only on the condition that they lack Psychic Defense.

wyomingfox wrote:

Manchu wrote:I'm okay with there being more than one flavor of "magic" in a universe as big as 40k's. Clearly, the C'tan are "magic" is some sense.

Personally, I could care less about fluff (though I understand that for many players, fluff is thier biggest draw to 40K). I am more interested in modeling and balance in game play.

For example, I was OK when Chaos recieved a ton of "Not-Psychic" Powers because that was balanced with the fact that they had next to no psychic defence (beyond Khorne). If you can't shut down my spells, then I am OK with not being able to shut down yours. That is fair game balance.

Now compare that to the horrible Tyranid SITW FAQ which allows a SM librarian in a rhino to block Tyranid Psychic Powers while granting that same librarian immunity to SITW (Tyranid's Psychic defense) when casting his own psychic powers. This is an example of a poor game balance.

As such, I will be fine with Necrons getting "Not-Psychic" Powers, but only on the condition that they lack Psychic Defense.

Actually fluff wise they do have some way of countering psypowers...they are the inventors of the Culexus Assassins, after all.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Actually fluff wise they do have some way of countering psypowers...they are the inventors of the Culexus Assassins, after all.

You beat me to this.

Yeah, I would be pretty shocked if the Necrons didn't have some sort of psychic-neutering ability.

Again, I'm concerned with game balance not fluff. The need for game balance was my entire point.

Ah. That makes sense.

Still, I don't think that having psychic powers precludes having Psychic defense. Take Eldar or the more recent Space Wolves for example.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Well, considering the recent trend of giving everyone a flyer, we might as well see something from BFG.

I do recall reading in the current codex in the fluff section a battle report, where the writer reported seeing a Necron flyer which had a weapon of sorts that was able to core a land raider from the side, with the beam exiting the other side as well. Perhaps we might see that should GW give us tinheads a flyer. It's on pg. 55, I believe.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:"Your mother was an Ork, and your father smelt like Eldar Panties!"

PFFT-- the Eldar panties got me. I lol'd.

Dr. Temujin wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Well, considering the recent trend of giving everyone a flyer, we might as well see something from BFG.

I do recall reading in the current codex in the fluff section a battle report, where the writer reported seeing a Necron flyer which had a weapon of sorts that was able to core a land raider from the side, with the beam exiting the other side as well. Perhaps we might see that should GW give us tinheads a flyer. It's on pg. 55, I believe.

I think that might actually be an account of a Heavy Destroyer. I could be wrong, but that's what I always remembered it as.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Dr. Temujin wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Well, considering the recent trend of giving everyone a flyer, we might as well see something from BFG.

I do recall reading in the current codex in the fluff section a battle report, where the writer reported seeing a Necron flyer which had a weapon of sorts that was able to core a land raider from the side, with the beam exiting the other side as well. Perhaps we might see that should GW give us tinheads a flyer. It's on pg. 55, I believe.

I think that might actually be an account of a Heavy Destroyer. I could be wrong, but that's what I always remembered it as.

Page 55, just a regular destroyer.

Monster Rain wrote:Ah. That makes sense.

Still, I don't think that having psychic powers precludes having Psychic defense. Take Eldar or the more recent Space Wolves for example.

Ah, I think I am failing to communicate. Let me clarify. I was talking about "Not-Psychic" Psychic Powers. "Not-Psychic" Psychic Powers mimic psychic powers but are immune to psychic defence.

Space Wolves for example have psychic powers. These are checked by psychic defences. They also all have psychic defenses which check other armies psychic powers. This is balanced.

Demons have "Not-Psychic" Psychic Powers. These powers are immune to psychic defence. However, they lack psychic defense. This is balanced.

Necrons are rumored to have "Not-Psychic" Psychic Powers. These powers are immune to psychic defence. If they also had strong psychic defense, that would be unbalanced.

wyomingfox wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Ah. That makes sense.

Still, I don't think that having psychic powers precludes having Psychic defense. Take Eldar or the more recent Space Wolves for example.

Ah, I think I am failing to communicate. Let me clarify. I was talking about "Not-Psychic" Psychic Powers. "Not-Psychic" Psychic Powers mimic psychic powers but are immune to psychic defence.

Space Wolves for example have psychic powers. These are checked by psychic defences. They also all have psychic defenses which check other armies psychic powers. This is balanced.

Demons have "Not-Psychic" Psychic Powers. These powers are immune to psychic defence. However, they lack psychic defense. This is balanced.

Necrons are rumored to have "Not-Psychic" Psychic Powers. These powers are immune to psychic defence. If they also had strong psychic defense, that would be unbalanced.

Space Wolves having awsome pychic powers plus great defense isnt balanced in this flowchart. Or Orks that have lackluster power and no defense? If the Necrons end up with neat abilities and the ability to shut down powers then the army can still be as a whole balanced. The army as a whole can still be balanced or not for entirely unrelated reasons.

just checked the US GW site and oddly, and a little exciting, the necron warriors are no longer available, so figure what you want but when you take the most important unit for an army out of being able to be bought there has to be something happening very soon.....i hope.

Kanluwen wrote:Seriously, the smallest stuff in BFG is equivalent to superheavy flyers.

Erm ... no:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/BATTLEFLEET_GOTHIC-TAU-BARRACUDAS.html

I find the lack of images and solid rumors on rules as an indicator that Necrons will not be released in November (braces for impact from others)... I mean there was nothing t any GD, and we still don't even have an image... All we have is wish lists and scare rumors... I genuinely think that they should be delayed until they can be done justice with a new line and a solid book by Phil Kelley....

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Actually fluff wise they do have some way of countering psypowers...they are the inventors of the Culexus Assassins, after all.

I seriously hate the fluff in the necron book, more than anything Mat Ward has written.

"Hey, this brand new army that we're making up here? THEY DID EVERYTHING! Yeah, that's it... machine god, grim reaper, hive mind..." /nerdragevomit

Red Corsair wrote:I find the lack of images and solid rumors on rules as an indicator that Necrons will not be released in November (braces for impact from others)... I mean there was nothing t any GD, and we still don't even have an image... All we have is wish lists and scare rumors...

Have you just emerged from a coma or something?

But seriously, that's GW M.O. these days. They literally try to keep everything under complete wraps until practically the day it is ready to be pre-ordered.


And my rumors were neither wish-listing nor scare rumors...they happen to come from a very good quality source who has a legitimate reason and the capacity to have access to such information.