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Kid_Kyoto wrote: IMPORTANT REMINDER - Different people like different things, that's no reason not to be polite.

Was this directed at me?

In any case, I've taken down the image. No need to get all fired up over a .jpg.

I suspect it was more aimed at the people that commented unfavorably on the Stormraven Chapterhouse kit.

So, you guys think they will sell this as a conversion kit? I have a stormraven that's still in the box, and a CHS kit, but I think I like this better than the CHS kit.

It's aimed all around, I see poeple who like the Storm Eagle, who don't, who like the Storm Raven, people who don't, no need to turn this into a flame war.

I don't think they will Ouze. They've not sold too many things as conversion kits lately.

I wish they still did the whole Conversion kit thing. It's a great idea.

You could probably pick it up from some Ebay Scalper, though.

Problem was they had a lot of people complain to them that "I read it was a complete kit, but it's not!" when it was clearly marked as "This is a conversion kit for X, requiring you to purchase X to build Y".

H.B.M.C. wrote:

ph34r wrote:The stormraven is ugly and the CH stormraven is still ugly. Not even being sculpted by one of CH's non-awful sculptors would make it somehow good.

The CHS conversion kit was made by someone in the PM&B forum. The guys from CHS saw it and said "Hey, can we make that?" and the guy went "Sure!".

Still ugly. Now, if someone made a kit out of the TRUE "mini t-hawk" style storm raven... I'd buy that.

I guess I fail to see what people are getting all cranked up about. I mean it's fine... but not amazing. It's a relatively minor re envisioning of the storm raven.... or to be pessimistic... the storm raven with the CH upgrades... with some control surfaces re positioned & some external weapon mounts. (which if you think about it is really funny... stealing an idea from a company that you believe is stealing from you).

Anyway, I digress.

My point is that while it's a good model... it's just not that exciting or earth shattering, and it's $120 or so... plus shipping! That's a lot of dough for an OK model. Especially one I can't field in most (read as all) local tournaments. Obviously there are many of you who don't share the last problem, but for me it is an important factor in my purchasing decisions.

£80 for what looks like the space marine brick kit-bashed with a few other flyers? No thanks. The predators on the other hand are gorgeous!

Kanluwen wrote:Problem was they had a lot of people complain to them that "I read it was a complete kit, but it's not!" when it was clearly marked as "This is a conversion kit for X, requiring you to purchase X to build Y".

I thought the new images they use, where they grey out the elements of the kit you don't get, were a good way to solve that. Alternately, screw it, why not add a popup box you must tick acknowledging it's a conversion kit, not a complete kit.

I definitely would not buy this if it was a standalone kit, since you can just about buy 2 stormravens with extension kits for that price.

I'd consider buying the Storm Eagle but would have to reverse engineer it back to the load out of the Storm Raven so I could use it in tournaments.

Arm.chair.general wrote:£80 for what looks like the space marine brick kit-bashed with a few other flyers? No thanks. The predators on the other hand are gorgeous!

I am continually baffled by people's assertions that the SM's "flying brick" designs are something new. They're not. SM's have always had this design aesthetic for their vehicles. Take a look at the Land Speeders from RT to see the proto-flying bricks. That's what SM's are all about. The Thunderhawk, Stormraven and now Stormeagle are all effectively flying tanks and are designed to operate as such on the battlefield.

Grimtuff wrote: Take a look at the Land Speeders from RT to see the proto-flying bricks.

What a brick!

You sure you don't mean the 2nd edition Land Speeder?



That said, I think I'd do some serious damage if I hit someone with my RT Speeder...

Platuan4th wrote:

Grimtuff wrote: Take a look at the Land Speeders from RT to see the proto-flying bricks.

What a brick!

You sure you don't mean the 2nd edition Land Speeder?



That said, I think I'd do some serious damage if I hit someone with my RT Speeder...

Pics aren't working. I mean this bad boy.

Grimtuff wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Grimtuff wrote: Take a look at the Land Speeders from RT to see the proto-flying bricks.

What a brick!

You sure you don't mean the 2nd edition Land Speeder?



That said, I think I'd do some serious damage if I hit someone with my RT Speeder...

Pics aren't working. I mean this bad boy.

Yeah, that's the one the first pic shows. The 2nd edition(2nd pic) shows a better proto-version of the Marine flyer aesthetic, though.

Kanluwen wrote:It saddens me that they're having to reveal something early simply because someone found it by accident.

One less thing for them to reveal at the Open Day

You really are emotionally invested with FW arnt you... and Im dead serious kan.


Im pretty sure the general reaction is.

*** Gamesday and their over priceness
FRESH NEWS
FRESH LEAKS

YAY~~~~~~~~~~~~

Platuan4th wrote:
Yeah, that's the one the first pic shows. The 2nd edition(2nd pic) shows a better proto-version of the Marine flyer aesthetic, though.

Agreed. Though the first Speeder shows the groundwork for everything that followed it. SM's have never been about aerodynamics, it just not their schtick.

For clarity for others here's the other Speeder.

Ouze wrote:I suspect it was more aimed at the people that commented unfavorably on the Stormraven Chapterhouse kit.

So, you guys think they will sell this as a conversion kit? I have a stormraven that's still in the box, and a CHS kit, but I think I like this better than the CHS kit.

Semi OT,

So FW and GW recently keep on pumping out kits that other companies have been making...

e.g thunder wolves
tervigons
stormravent
bio weapons


coincidence? Or they are going to be diligent now? :'D

No it's not. And I'm all for it. About damn time GW stopped inventing squads and then failing to produce any models for them.

LunaHound wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It saddens me that they're having to reveal something early simply because someone found it by accident.

One less thing for them to reveal at the Open Day

You really are emotionally invested with FW arnt you... and Im dead serious kan.


Im pretty sure the general reaction is.

*** Gamesday and their over priceness
FRESH NEWS
FRESH LEAKS

YAY~~~~~~~~~~~~

This was called for.... why?

For clarity for others here's the other Speeder.

Man, I miss the design aesthetic of the 2nd edition speeder. I liked it. With FW making throw back Rhinos and Predators, I wonder if they'll to throw back landspeeders.

Slarg232 wrote:

This was called for.... why?

Because I love leaks and how we used to know all the things ahead of time?
Now Kan is like depressed because his supposed FW buddies made a boo boo.

So im like BOO HOO just let it be and let the public rejoice with the leaks again.

No problem mr knight! where were you like 1-2 years ago?

LunaHound wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

This was called for.... why?

Because I love leaks and how we used to know all the things ahead of time?
Now Kan is like depressed because his supposed FW buddies made a boo boo.

So im like BOO HOO just let it be and let the public rejoice with the leaks again.

No problem mr knight! where were you like 1-2 years ago?

No, the problem isn't with the leak, it's with the personal attacks..... I mean, I know you two have a history together, but surely your a better (wo)man?

And the Pink Knight hadn't Risen at that point.

Slarg232 wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

This was called for.... why?

Because I love leaks and how we used to know all the things ahead of time?
Now Kan is like depressed because his supposed FW buddies made a boo boo.

So im like BOO HOO just let it be and let the public rejoice with the leaks again.

No problem mr knight! where were you like 1-2 years ago?

No, the problem isn't with the leak, it's with the personal attacks..... I mean, I know you two have a history together, but surely your a better (wo)man?

And the Pink Knight hadn't Risen at that point.

Personal attacks, really? you see that as a personal attack? you seem to be years too late if thats what fits your definition. Because 2 years ago, I would have said you are correct.
Im going to be quite frank. lets see the truth.

Did kanluwe attempt to contact FW or not to tell them about the leak? Ya he did.
Everyone likes leaks, there are benefits and flaws, who cares leaks are OK look at News and Rumour section, thats what ITS FOR.

If today, slarg232 goes around attempting to cover up a leak because slarg232 felt obligated as a " buddy " of FW , then I'll laugh at you just the same, if not more TBH
But as you can see, I was rather polite about it because IT IS THE KANLUWEN MAN, I have to be careful or else I'll invoke wrath of ban hammer.

Simply put, I'll react to an "type of action" not to "whom"
Though I wonder, if you must know why must we go OT in this thread?


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Gitsplitta wrote:No it's not. And I'm all for it. About damn time GW stopped inventing squads and then failing to produce any models for them.

I sort of see GW's purpose for it though.

Generally ( i think most people agree )
tons of Codex units without proper models are quite tasty ( effective vs point cost )

The extra bonus in its worth was what encouraged players to convert and kit bash GW kits to make this unit.
Which usually involves in atleast 2 kits, essentially earning GW double, rather than if they come up with an official kit.

I think that is the thing :'/

LunaHound wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

This was called for.... why?

Because I love leaks and how we used to know all the things ahead of time?
Now Kan is like depressed because his supposed FW buddies made a boo boo.

So im like BOO HOO just let it be and let the public rejoice with the leaks again.

No problem mr knight! where were you like 1-2 years ago?

No, the problem isn't with the leak, it's with the personal attacks..... I mean, I know you two have a history together, but surely your a better (wo)man?

And the Pink Knight hadn't Risen at that point.

Personal attacks, really? you see that as a personal attack? you seem to be years too late if thats what fits your definition. Because 2 years ago, I would have said you are correct.
Im going to be quite frank. lets see the truth.

Did kanluwe attempt to contact FW or not to tell them about the leak? Ya he did.
Everyone likes leaks, there are benefits and flaws, who cares leaks are OK look at News and Rumour section, thats what ITS FOR.

If today, slarg232 goes around attempting to cover up a leak because slarg232 felt obligated as a " buddy " of FW , then I'll laugh at you just the same, if not more TBH
But as you can see, I was rather polite about it because IT IS THE KANLUWEN MAN, I have to be careful or else I'll invoke wrath of ban hammer.

Simply put, I'll react to an "type of action" not to "whom"
Though I wonder, if you must know why must we go OT in this thread?

You do realize that they were going to reveal it upon Open Day, and as such, this leak is like telling a twelve year old about his surprise birthday present; Yeah, he's going to get it anyway, but would he be happier to have it fall in his lap or be told about it? Usually, it's much better as a surprise, hence it being called a Surprise Birthday Present.

Slarg232 wrote:You do realize that they were going to reveal it upon Open Day, and as such, this leak is like telling a twelve year old about his surprise birthday present; Yeah, he's going to get it anyway, but would he be happier to have it fall in his lap or be told about it? Usually, it's much better as a surprise, hence it being called a Surprise Birthday Present.

You do realize there are 2 types of "audience" in our discussion right?

1) GamesDay people

2) Online people like dakka dakka for example.

Yes so the leak ruined it for gamesday people, you have my sympathy and condolence ( im not sarcastic because back there even I agreed GW needed to make the trip worthwhile since the ticket was so expensive
you can search, it was in a Gamesday ticket price complaint thread ). However... becauseIts irreversible and done like someone said earlier in this thread "lol deleting something on the internet"

lesson learned, additional competence needed. No reason to halt the leak to the type 2 people. Because then the leak sort of drips down to what we benefit :'3

Alls good in the universe.

You never know, might be the most competent Aprils Fool Joke EVAR

LunaHound wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:You do realize that they were going to reveal it upon Open Day, and as such, this leak is like telling a twelve year old about his surprise birthday present; Yeah, he's going to get it anyway, but would he be happier to have it fall in his lap or be told about it? Usually, it's much better as a surprise, hence it being called a Surprise Birthday Present.

You do realize there are 2 types of "audience" in our discussion right?

1) GamesDay people

2) Online people like dakka dakka for example.

Yes so the leak ruined it for gamesday people. Its irreversible and done like someone said earlier in this thread "lol deleting something on the internet"

lesson learned, additional competence needed. No reason to halt the leak to the type 2 people.

Alls good in the universe.

You never know, might be the most competent Aprils Fool Joke EVAR

It's Open Day, not Games Day; Open Day is free.

And yes, the leak ruined it for the target audiance. That's a problem.

Slarg232 wrote:It's Open Day, not Games Day; Open Day is free.

And yes, the leak ruined it for the target audiance. That's a problem.

Oh its free? sorry about the gas fee then....

but really, you are looking it from the other side ( im not completely disagreeing with you)
rather, you need to accept once its leaked, its irreversible, so might as well share the wealth xD

But wait a minute, thats not fair :'o your cause for halting the leak is quite noble, which I can agree to.

But I will laugh at you if its for the sake of brown nosing FW :'D

Slarg232... as much as I would love to keep on entertaining you, and the lovely audience,
I really think continuing to go OT is not very wise for me.... so if you must ask your questions, I will respectively reply to them ALL ( in PM )
So.... your choice I guess...?

Most of the GW events will get a bus and drive people there if they so choose, eliminating the need for gas bills.

so your saying I can get a bus ride from Texas all the way to Nottingham for a Games Day? I don't think I can hold my breath that long....