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Post by CMON on page 33 of the comments

Creator CoolMiniOrNot on August 11

Oo... they won't retail at $50 that's for sure.

I recall seeing something about $70 - $75 or 2/3s cost somewhere but can't find it right now

Why would that be "very, very high?" PP starters are $50 and are usually 2 50mm, a 40mm, and a 30mm base. All plastic at this point. Infinity starters are 6 25mm, all metal, and $50

The Relic Knights are looking at 1 80mm, at least 1 50mm, and more. And at mixed plastic and metal. Where is there an 80mm model for less than $40? (Other than the Bones Kickstarter...)

Its high for a starting product to a game, yeah, I agree. But given the scale of models, with a significant number of larger-than-average tabletop models, I don't think its an unreasonable amount.

And, I have to say, I have gone back and forth on this Kickstarter. I supported it at first because I though the game could be good, though I didn't love the models. Then, this week I've been so turned off by the lack of communication and the poor bonuses, ESPECIALLY the repeated additional models from the starter.

Now, if everything is true, the 300K goals look solid, and I could see this going to 4-500K (and hopefully more solid goals along the way.)

Here's an interesting post from Deke at Soda Pop - the Cosplay minis not only have variant rules but don't all belong to faction you think they should.

All Cosplay characters (except Marie-Claude) represent a Darkspace alternate of their normal version. These Darkspace alternates will possess slightly different rules and in most cases are fielded by different factions.

Marie-Claude will be a second Questing Knight for the Cerci Speed Circuit Faction.

Darkspace Candy & Cola (Cerci Speed Circuit)
"Racers aren't the only thing that can go fast. My kicks are quicker than the blink of an eye."

Darkspace Iron Chef (Black Diamond)
"No matter the mission all I need is my trusty box."

Darkspace Rin Farrah (Noh Empire)
"Not all who are enslaved are broken."

Darkspace Fiametta (Shattered Sword)
"Whether in this universe or another I will defend you with my life!"

Darkspace Zineda (Doctrine)
"Their mastery of Esper is unparallelled and I crave its power"

We will work on getting this info and several other questions into the FAQ so they are more easily accessible.

I am back in on this now I can swap out the rule book for $35 worth of extra models. I had no need for the rulebook as I just want these to build and paint.

drazz wrote:
Why would that be "very, very high?" PP starters are $50 and are usually 2 50mm, a 40mm, and a 30mm base. All plastic at this point. Infinity starters are 6 25mm, all metal, and $50

The Relic Knights are looking at 1 80mm, at least 1 50mm, and more. And at mixed plastic and metal. Where is there an 80mm model for less than $40? (Other than the Bones Kickstarter...)

Its high for a starting product to a game, yeah, I agree. But given the scale of models, with a significant number of larger-than-average tabletop models, I don't think its an unreasonable amount.

And, I have to say, I have gone back and forth on this Kickstarter. I supported it at first because I though the game could be good, though I didn't love the models. Then, this week I've been so turned off by the lack of communication and the poor bonuses, ESPECIALLY the repeated additional models from the starter.

Now, if everything is true, the 300K goals look solid, and I could see this going to 4-500K (and hopefully more solid goals along the way.)

Yeah, but keep in mind that the PP starters are "plastic" meaning resin. Meaning more costly to make. Infinity are metal, and the price of said metal is ridiculous and rising, last I checked.

Also, the Relic Knights won't have to factor in as much, if any, mold costs to starter sets since paying for that is one of the stated goals of the Kickstarter.

$75.00 is too high. I know I won't be the only one to think so, so I hope it doesn't hurt them too much.

I really do like the models and the game play looks very interesting. It would be a shame to have to skip the game because of absurd pricing (kinda how I do GW games) but I won't lose any sleep over it.

~Eric

Taarnak wrote:


Yeah, but keep in mind that the PP starters are "plastic" meaning resin.

Actually, they're "plastic" meaning PVC.

 Platuan4th wrote:

Taarnak wrote:


Yeah, but keep in mind that the PP starters are "plastic" meaning resin.

Actually, they're "plastic" meaning PVC.

You sure? I didn't think they were injection molded.

If I'm wrong on that, the point still stands really.

~Eric

Edit:
From what I've been able to glean from the Google machine's findings, they are using a form of "Restic" Resin with some plastic material in it. Which makes the point exactly the same. Not as costly as metal, but still more costly than injection molded plastics.

Taarnak wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

Taarnak wrote:


Yeah, but keep in mind that the PP starters are "plastic" meaning resin.

Actually, they're "plastic" meaning PVC.

You sure? I didn't think they were injection molded.

If I'm wrong on that, the point still stands really.

~Eric

As sure as I can be without getting one chemically tested.

They confirmed it early on when they started releasing the plastics. You'll also notice if you have a Colossal, Battle Engine, or new Behemoth that it's very different from their resin.

 Makaleth wrote:
I am back in on this now I can swap out the rule book for $35 worth of extra models. I had no need for the rulebook as I just want these to build and paint.

You mean you'll be swapping out the second rulebook if you go in at the Double Savior level, right?

Or did they say you can swap out your rulebook even at the regular Savior level too?

on the pledge it says that you can even do this at $100 level.

FROM THE KICKSTARTER SITE:

Savior of the Universe! - TWO Faction Starters of your choice, Hardback Rulebook, and TWO Special Edition miniatures! Pick your Factions after the Kickstarter ends from any of the unlocked Factions (even duplicates)! Ships free in the USA. Everywhere else please add $25. Swap out the Hardback Rulebook for a $35 value for more optional stuff

 whalemusic360 wrote:
I see the added value people derive from quantity, but I'm with piston in a lack of caring. I'd rather have fewer, better models witha more solid game backbone then a bunch of them that I can think of no use for.

While we need to reserve judgement on he Mantic one for the next 10 months or so, I'd say that both the Sedition Wars and Reaper Kickstarters both have excellent quality as well as Quantity.

The amount of minis you receive in boost 1 has been increased again (per the project homepage) from those originally listed in the update #21 so as to round out the minions in some factions to 5 or 3 man squads as there are rules for squad based minion units

Starter Faction contents after boost 1 and extra minions

Noh Empire - No change

Relic Knight (Kasaro-to),
Cypher (Azi),
1 Minion (Render),
4 Minions (Berserkers)

Black Diamond - another 2 Black Diamond Corps on top of the boost

Relic Knight (One Shot),
Cypher (Fritz),
1 Minion (M8-Blitz Auto-Tank),
10 Minions (Black Diamond Corp)

Shattered Sword Paladins - another 2 Sword Sworn on top of the boost

Relic Knight (Sebastian Cross),
Cypher (Rook),
2 x Paragons,
10 x Sword Sworn

Doctrine - no change

Relic Knight (Kisa),
Cypher (Scratch),
1 Minion (1 Librarian),
6 x Minions (Novitiates)

Cerci Speed Circuit - 1 extra Hell's Belle

Relic Knight (Princess Malya),
Cypher (Mr Tomn),
1 Minion (PACE robot),
6 x Minions (Hell’s Belles)

Star Nebula Corsairs - 2 extra Corsair Crew

Relic Knight (Calico Kate),
Cypher (Skully),
1 Minion (Breaching Gun),
10 x Minions (Corsair Crew)

Sucks to be Doctrine, I guess. The Cerci Speed Circuit looks a lot better with six jetbikes and Princess Malya than it did with two, but the Doctrine really looks like they get a raw deal on their infantry.

I thought I'd be a shoe in for Shattered sword, but Black diamond is actually winning me over along with the speed circuit. Those mercs and ninjas look awesome, and the jetbikes!

$240k Cosplay Fiametta as a Sailor Scout Unlocked



on to Boost level 2 at $260k



contents to be added each starter faction as follows

Shattered Sword Paladins

o Isabeau Durand - After joining the ranks of the Paladin Order, Isabeau nurtured her skills as a warrior as well as the healing arts. Supporting her brother and sister paladins on the field of battle, and hoping to one day find the band of Noh slavers that took her family.

Cerci Speed Circuit

o Rin Farrah - The Cerci Speed Circuit is no mere raceway. It is an entire planet given wholly to the adrenaline rush of speed. The outcome of premier events such as Cerci Prime have caused the loss of entire corporations and left governments in ruin. Such high stakes require strict measures to control “audience participation” .

Doctrine

o Togan and Cecelia – Old man Togan holds his office together with the veracity of the thinning straps on his university robes. It's good he has the indefatigable Cecilia to clean up after his messes.

Corsairs

o Iron Chef – Calico Kate has very particular tastes, and her eight foot tall four armed galley cook, simply called “Iron Chef” is sure to be wherever she is. Fiercely loyal, and the freshest ingredients, whatever you do, don’t end up on the menu!

Noh Empire

o Marikan-To – Master of the Lords hunt, Marikan-to leads the Noh’s far ranging scouts, hunting down enemies and piercing them with rods of dark energy from their archaic looking bows.

Black Diamond

o Suspect 7 – The Black Diamond can afford the best corporate assassins from around the Galaxy. Suspect 7 is no different. It is said she can be anywhere for any target, it just gets strange when she is on both sides of the galaxy at the same time fulfilling two different contracts.



Black Diamond really is getting the best of the upgardes so far that's 16 minis now for them (inc Fritz as a separate mini)

 scipio.au wrote:

 whalemusic360 wrote:
I see the added value people derive from quantity, but I'm with piston in a lack of caring. I'd rather have fewer, better models witha more solid game backbone then a bunch of them that I can think of no use for.

While we need to reserve judgement on he Mantic one for the next 10 months or so, I'd say that both the Sedition Wars and Reaper Kickstarters both have excellent quality as well as Quantity.

Even so (I've never liked reaper minis, to each his own), it isn't a game, it's a bunch or random minis. Sed wars certainly appears to have both, and the ~$400 I sunk into it will hopefully be a worthwhile investment.

As it stands on this game, I have the double savior, with the add on models for the 4 factions I'm getting. Thinking of adding a fifth, depending on the boosts it gets. I don't like the pirate group at all, so that's an easy skip.

 whalemusic360 wrote:

Even so (I've never liked reaper minis, to each his own), it isn't a game, it's a bunch or random minis. Sed wars certainly appears to have both, and the ~$400 I sunk into it will hopefully be a worthwhile investment.

As it stands on this game, I have the double savior, with the add on models for the 4 factions I'm getting. Thinking of adding a fifth, depending on the boosts it gets. I don't like the pirate group at all, so that's an easy skip.

FWIW, it's now going to come with a ruleset. - Swords and Wizardry.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-an-evolution-of-gaming-min/posts/295128

So I saw. I may jump on the wagon, whats $100 in this hobby honestly? Just doesn't interest me like the story of this or sed wars, or even zombiecide.

Lol a chasm of difference between RPG and mini wargame.

This is hard to pass up, I'm looking at getting all the sets and special figs, but don't know if I'd ever play the game. My kids are still too young for me to be shoving half naked figures in front of them and saying lets play a game. Timing also hurts because of the dream forge games kick starter which is going at the same time and I know I'll get use out of those.

Is it correct that you can pledge for 2 and 4 teams, but not for 3?

Kroothawk if you want 3 factions you can pledge Savior and add $50 for a 3rd Faction - likewise for 5 pledge Double Savior and add $50. The thing is if you move up a pledge level and trade in a rulebook you get $35 credit and an extra 2 cosplay minis so it's probably more worthwhile to take a higher pledge level anyway.

CMON mentioned it early on but haven't added to the FAQ or homepage so I've messaged them asking them to update it.

But this option to add a starter for 50$ is not mentioned on the kickstarter page, right?

Yep not mentioned for now unless you go back and look through the early comments no response from CMON to my message yet

Actually it was mentioned in update#8 now that I look at it: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/relic-knights/posts/285818

"Also, individual Faction Starters will be available at $50 per Faction Starter (inclusive of any Faction specific stretch goals hit, if any), for pledge levels of Savior or better. Great if you only want 3 or 5 Factions. You strange person."

Jumped in for Cerci, mainly to grab the Hells Belles,

but I may upgrade to grab a second faction depending on what gets unlocked

(or if I can get confirmation I can trade in the rule book at saviour level, it says you can now, but didn't originally, and I've not seen an oficial cmon/sodapop anouncement about it)

Pledge, just hit 2nd boost!!!

bricksxe wrote:
Pledge, just hit 2nd boost!!!

bricksxesay what?

I'm looking forward to concept art/pictures of the new stuff!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Jumped in for Cerci, mainly to grab the Hells Belles,

but I may upgrade to grab a second faction depending on what gets unlocked

(or if I can get confirmation I can trade in the rule book at saviour level, it says you can now, but didn't originally, and I've not seen an oficial cmon/sodapop anouncement about it)

Surely the quote on the Kickstarter Page is official. But there is no rush if this is a sticking point, any comms in the next couple days I would appreciate as well.

Boost level 2 @ $260k achieved extra minis for each faction unlocked

Marikan-To


Suspect 7


OK so here's a summary of what you get after boost 2 (sorry long post incoming)

Savior level $100

Choice of any 2 faction starter sets
Choice of any 2 Cosplay (limited edition figures)
1 Hardback Rulebook
1 Signed Lithograph
1 set of base inserts/objective markers

Double Savior $190

Choice of any 4 faction starter sets
Choice of any 4 Cosplay (limited edition figures)
2 Hardback Rulebooks
2 Signed Lithographs
2 sets of base inserts/objective markers

Gotta Get Em All $270

Choice of any 6 faction starter sets
Choice of any 6 Cosplay (limited edition figures)
3 Hardback Rulebooks
3 Signed Lithographs
3 sets of base inserts/objective markers

The hardbook rulebooks can be traded in for $35 credit to spend on other options (not postage) - that includes the 1 in Savior level. There are no other exchanges on offer at this time.

International shipping is plus $25 (Savior) $50 (Double Savior) or $75 (Gotta Get Em All), UK distributor being used for European shipping so no additional Customs or VAT charges.

Starter Faction Contents:

All starters contain the following specific to their faction
Character Cards
Esper Card Deck
Plastic game tokens
Playmat(Dashboard)

Noh Empire Starter

Relic Knight (Kasaro-to),
Cypher (Azi),
Marikan-To – Master of the Lords hunt
1 Minion (Render),
4 Minions (Berserkers)

Black Diamond starter

Relic Knight (One Shot),
Cypher (Fritz),
Suspect 7 - 3 Dimensional Ninjas
1 Minion (M8-Blitz Auto-Tank),
10 Minions (Black Diamond Corp)

Shattered Sword Paladins

Relic Knight (Sebastian Cross),
Cypher (Rook),
Isabeau Durand
2 x Paragons,
10 x Sword Sworn,

Doctrine

Relic Knight (Kisa),
Cypher (Scratch),
Codifier Togan and Cecelia
1 Minion (1 Librarian),
6 x Minions (Novitiates)

Cerci Speed Circuit

Relic Knight (Princess Malya),
Cypher (Mr Tomn),
Rin Farrah
1 Minion (PACE robot),
6 x Minions (Hell’s Belles)

Star Nebula Corsairs

Relic Knight (Calico Kate),
Cypher (Skully),
Iron Chef
1 Minion (Breaching Gun),
10 x Minions (Corsair Crew)

The extra minions should include optional heads and weapon arms for more variety and they will be posable to a degree.

Cosplay/ Limited Editon Figures - Darkspace means they are alternate universe versions they have variant rules and work in a different faction - there will probably be more than the initial 6 as Star Nebula Corsairs need 1

Marie-Claude (Questing Knight Cerci Speed Circuit)

Darkspace Candy & Cola (Cerci Speed Circuit)

Darkspace Rin Farrah (Noh Empire)

Darkspace Fiametta (Shattered Sword)

Darkspace Zineda (Doctrine)

Darkspace Iron Chef (Black Diamond) - Unlocks @ $280k

Optional Extras

Black Diamond - Assault Armour (on 80mm base) - $35
Noh Empire - Beastmaster and 2 hounds - $35
Shattered Sword - Austrican the Ogre - $25
Cerci Speed Circuit - Betty and Lug - $35
Doctrine - Fimetta and Hasami - $25
Star Nebula Corsairs - Kenobo and Squall - $25
Add extra Cosplay minis (beyond your pledge level) for $10 each
Add any starter faction to your pledge level for $50

Next up Cosplay Iron Chef @ $280k



Boost EX @ $300k - silhouettes show that contents will be

Noh Empire - Zineda and Spite
Black Diamond - Leopold Magnus and Static
Shattered Swor Paladins - Francis Malory and Quill
Cerci Speed Circuit - Suicide Queen on jet bike and Rollo
Doctrine - Delphyne and Ekhis
Star Nebula Corsairs - New character with Parrot Cypher