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I believe Cypher was moved to the actual Chaos range. Sucks about Steel Legion and Tallarns though. However this could mean multi part plastic kits for these regiments come the IG update the will inevitably arrive this year or next.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Kingsley wrote:
I'm going to be very interested to see what happens if/when GW releases Blood Bowl as a "summer surprise" (as they did with Space Hulk). Will it be able to compete with Dreadball? I've disparaged Dreadball as a Blood Bowl knockoff in the past, but it will be interesting to see what the community as a whole thinks about the two different products.

You are aware that Dreadball was started BECAUSE Bloodbowl was in the works for more than a year, right? Hastings revealed the Bloodbowl box content a year before Dreadbowl was even a concept.

I also thinking that the timing of the Deadzone Kickstarter, which has come along as Necromunda is being pulled from sale, must surely be more than a coincidence..

(PS - Both Dreadball and BB are very different games, and both fun in their own way! You can play both for far less than the cost of 40k/WFB, indulge yourself )

 Pacific wrote:
I also thinking that the timing of the Deadzone Kickstarter, which has come along as Necromunda is being pulled from sale, must surely be more than a coincidence.

That would require Mantic to know ahead of time that GW was about to pull its specialist product lines. Now I'm sure Jake still has some friends over at GW HQ, but prior knowledge just seems like a stretch to me.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
I also thinking that the timing of the Deadzone Kickstarter, which has come along as Necromunda is being pulled from sale, must surely be more than a coincidence.

That would require Mantic to know ahead of time that GW was about to pull its specialist product lines. Now I'm sure Jake still has some friends over at GW HQ, but prior knowledge just seems like a stretch to me.

It might be less prior knowledge, and more educated guessing. Just from someone who has better information than the rest of us - he might have heard one or two hints from old mates that, combined with the stuff that everyone knew, changed the fall of SG's in his mind from "going to happen sometime" to "imminent, better get started on that skirmish game".

Well these are sad news.

I for one, like the classic imperial guard range very much, as I feel most of the figure
have a better balance anatomically speaking than most of the newer plastic component,
where big or tiny heads are a common sight. I still think the Perry twins and other sculptors
did a great job on this older range, even if the mortar shell is funnier than ever: way too big!

Well the Necromunda range will be missed for me as well, may be it is the time to grab some more
figures before they are gone...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
I also thinking that the timing of the Deadzone Kickstarter, which has come along as Necromunda is being pulled from sale, must surely be more than a coincidence.

That would require Mantic to know ahead of time that GW was about to pull its specialist product lines. Now I'm sure Jake still has some friends over at GW HQ, but prior knowledge just seems like a stretch to me.

There is a small group of developers and games creators centred around Nottingham, and I'm sure a lot of those guys must still speak to each other (still be mates?) even after they have left, work for different companies or whatever.

Thinking about it now, you're right in that GW seem to have an almost hilarious level of self-importance with regards to keeping things secret - so the developers might not say they are going to release a particular model, or something that specific. But, something like the Specialist game range being cut (which has been on death-row for many years) could probably be worked out pretty easily - especially considering the rumour that the range was being kept afloat entirely on the back of Jervis Johnson previously. Both Jake Thornton and no doubt Ronnie Renton would know Jervis well and would probably know if something was planned, I don't think it is too far out of the realm of possibility.

Of course it may just be entirely coincidental - I think in any case Mantic have been very prudent once more in realising the gap left in the wargaming industry by Necromunda, how popular that game still is, and how that game is likely to appeal to both some fans of the original, and younger/newer wargamers who think that the only way to play is with $2-300 upfront and a significant investment of time and energy with one of GW's core games.

laaaaaame, i wanted steel legion! don't know why they make plastic catachans and not steel legion. catachans, while cool, are hilariously mis-scaled and steel legion could at least be used for krieg death corp with the addition of epic coatage. whenever i see catachans i just think of that bit in predator where dylan and dutch grip hands and have bicep flexes the size of small planets. if gw are going to s**t-can every metal guard regiment they need to fix up the plastic kit so it can make more types. maybe if they had one that did steel legion, valhalla, dcok, and mordians and one that did cadians, catachans (and their gigantic he man arms), and tallarns or something? but not subsequently make them $100 a box

 Yodhrin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
I also thinking that the timing of the Deadzone Kickstarter, which has come along as Necromunda is being pulled from sale, must surely be more than a coincidence.

That would require Mantic to know ahead of time that GW was about to pull its specialist product lines. Now I'm sure Jake still has some friends over at GW HQ, but prior knowledge just seems like a stretch to me.

It might be less prior knowledge, and more educated guessing. Just from someone who has better information than the rest of us - he might have heard one or two hints from old mates that, combined with the stuff that everyone knew, changed the fall of SG's in his mind from "going to happen sometime" to "imminent, better get started on that skirmish game".

Yeah, I'd say it might have something to do with GW not supporting any of the specialists games for nigh on what, a decade now? It's not like anyone would want to refrain from releasing a sci-fi skirmish game because of the Necromunda juggernaut ... You can't swing a dead cat without hitting 2-3 new sci-fi skirmish games nowadays.

It's a shame, but with those butt-ugly special weapons I'd never consider metal guard anyway. Though I'd always been planning on getting a few boxes of Mordians.

I assume/hope this means we'll be getting new plastic guard sets, as otherwise the new codex is going to make the Imperial Guard look very boring.

What don't you like about the special weapons?

They're the crappy old-school ones.



versus



And being guard you'd need about 15 of these guys. Just no.

What about them makes them "crappy", exactly?

As it happens I own 4 of the former, 3 of the second, 8 of the third and 8 of the latter.

The meltagun looks like a boltgun with a dradel on the end. The plasma gun isn't bad though I suppose.

The meltagun is the one on the right, the flamer is on the left. I assume they've changed the designs at some point if you don't recognise them.

My bad then. It doesn't state what they are on the website, so I just assumed they were meltagun and plasmagun. Can you even get plasma gun Mordians?

I actually quite like the design of the old ones, but in general I prefer the old style miniatures (especially those 3rd edition elves and Chaos Warriors . . . mm-mm)

No, annoyingly each one of the old guard ranges decided to skip exactly one of the main special weapons

Yup.

Cadians had no Grenade Launcher.
Mordians had no Plasma Gun.
Valhallans had no Plasma Gun.
Tallarns had no Flamer.

Technically the Catachans did get a Grenade Launcher eventually (the female Catachan), and the Steel Legion (who arrived much later, during 3rd Ed), did get all four.

Even though they came a decade or more later, Vostroyans have no meltagun.

Why? I dunno. Either intent is at work, or it's just one of the great unsolvable mysteries of the universe.

Thats a question, are Vostroyans being done away with? They are specialist metal guard, but not in the collectors section..?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
the Steel Legion (who arrived much later, during 3rd Ed), did get all four.

Buwha? Steel Legion only ever got the Grenade Launcher and Plasma, unless there's some limited releases I didn't know about.

Backfire wrote:

1 - because it's really hard to think up ten games which are more popular. 40k, WHFB, Warmahordes, Flames of War, sure, but after that I can't think of anything which is certainly more popular. Battletech maybe? Some other historicals?

Wow... you really need to branch out a bit more. How about Malifaux or Infinity. Mercs. Dropzone Commander. Firestorm Armada, Dystopian Wars, Uncharted Seas. Dust Warfare. Kings of War. Anima Tactics. Hail Caesar, Blackpowder? I'm not going to get in to any of the other historical rule sets, or rules without minis/minis without rules.
There are tons of games which are good, have active support, and have far more players than Blood Bowl. There are only a tiny amount of people still playing Blood Bowl.
I still play BFG, and I've hosted a 20 player BFG tournament... but I am under no illusions that it is anywhere near a top 10 game.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yup.

Cadians had no Grenade Launcher.
Mordians had no Plasma Gun.
Valhallans had no Plasma Gun.
Tallarns had no Flamer.

Technically the Catachans did get a Grenade Launcher eventually (the female Catachan), and the Steel Legion (who arrived much later, during 3rd Ed), did get all four.

Yes, that was the way old second edition squads were brought to the players, and this was not problematic back then. A standard army consisted of about half nowadays model count, and players were encouraged to mix their regiments, like in about every WD issue where IG was pictured. Oh, and I recall there were some heavy weapons lacking too, by the time of the release (1994-1995). But this lack got filled at some point in late 2nd edition. For example, Valhallans had their autocannons and missile launcher only in 1998, while the other heavy weapons were in from the start. Yes, even the lascannon, which is long OOP now.

However about Steel Legion, which were 3rd edition, I have seen no other special weapons than plasma gun and grenade launcher. Were there any other models in bonus to the current range (GL / PG / ML / LC / HB) at some point in the past ?

gorgon wrote:Even though they came a decade or more later, Vostroyans have no meltagun.

Why? I dunno. Either intent is at work, or it's just one of the great unsolvable mysteries of the universe.

There was a limited figurine count to every range, I guess they solved things this way, and still allowing players to field sufficiently diverse normal guardsmen. Actually in Vostoyan range, you have 3 special weapons guardsmen, 3 heavy weapons teams (2 different gunners each) and 6 different and characterful normal dudes. I think it's about right, while most IG generals would have preferred to see the iconic and mandatory autocannon in place of heavy bolter.

By the way, the meltagun is probably the easiest special weapon you can convert : cut the end tip of the flamer dude, drill a small hole, put a tube, some putty (or directly a part from bitz box), and voilà. It will really look like a genuine meltagunner.

japehlio wrote:Thats a question, are Vostroyans being done away with? They are specialist metal guard, but not in the collectors section..?

I don't think so, they are recent, very detailed, and as you point out not in collectors section. Most of all, they are W40k specific. All other IG regiments which were moved to collectors were directly connected to a historic army of 20th century. They do not want any of these obvious links anymore. Vostroyan are really bizarre beings, typical of the uchronic nonsense of 41st millennium : some part napoleonian, some part cossack, a part of WW1 with gas masks, medieval chainmail, futuristic touch and weapons, plus they have SKULLZ.

Pretty sure they will keep them, expect them to be transferred to finecast any time soon.

See those were my thoughts too, saved by location...