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Clever solution to your tire dilemma. I'm looking forward to seeing how this vehicle turns out.

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Hi CommissarKhaine! Yup, I think four fat tires will be plenty, especially after getting some work in tonight and getting the axles and wheels attached to the under-carriage (and wasn't _that_ fun- fitting, filing and coming up with ideas on the fly to adjust for imagination bumping into reality).


Somehow, the underside of mdoels tends to take more time than the top

CK- I've also got my grots in and want to do that little buggy- I've never tackled anything like that before- all kinds of new territory to learn!


Ooh nice. Awaiting eagerly

A Squeaky Waaagh!!

Camkhieri: "And another very cool thing, my phones predictive text actually gave me chicken as an option after typing robot, how cool is that."'

Meercat: "All eyes turned to the horizon and beheld, in lonely and menacing grandeur, the silhouette of a single Grot robot chicken; a portent of evil days to come."
From 'The Plucking of Gindoo Phlem' 
   
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So, here's the beginnings of the undercarriage, and the axles and wheels in place. CommissarKhaine has stoked the fires of my OCD-ism, and now I want/need to trick out the underside much more realistically than I had originally thought- but it's all good. Much like learning how to assemble the Athena so that the outside reflected the internal arrangement, so too this scout vehicle is shaped to some degree by its drive train and suspension.

I used a couple of pieces of styrene tube as channels to guide the axle shafts, which are the metal rods from the toy that provided the wheels; they weren't long enough to use one and attach both wheels, so I had to clip them shorter and epoxy them into the tube:



I first ran the axle below the frame, as the model kit would have done, but it made the vehicle sit too high, so I ran the rear axle between the hull and the frame:



And this is how she sits tacked together. The overall vehicle still sits higher than I would have liked, but I think that means that it is a medium reconnaissance vehicle, and not a light one. If you examine the turret you can see the start of the gunner's perch:



And I couldn't resist a couple of shots of Abernathy in both the driver's and the gunner's positions, to see how it was going to look:





I'm glad I didn't shorten the hood- it would have looked too short and flat without the length. The photos also let me see where the rivets need to go; I'm thinking about maybe investing in one of those 'rolling rivet maker' tools like the scale model aircraft guys use- I don't mind rivets in the 41st millennium, but I do mind over-sized ones.

And the plan is still for the vehicle to be mounted on a substantial base and under fire, very dynamic: lights, explosions, dirt flying- it's gonna be great!

Thank you for your comments, observations and constructive criticism, and more follows soonest.

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Only a little bit of an update tonight- I'm still working on the BA-64 armored car conversion and would like to have a bit more accomplished so as to throw up some pics that are worth looking at. Per CommissarKhaine, I'm really looking at how to detail the undercarriage, even though I never really intended that to be a feature of the build. But hey- if it isn't overdone, it isn't done yet, amirite?

Meanwhile, here are some treasures I got from the Goodwill. Thy had a basketful of them (I think I showed admirable restraint in only grabbing four) and were selling for a dollar apiece:



These little Star Wars games fold up into a cube, and unfold to form a terrain diorama layout and have fairly simple rules for playing a quick game:



The little explosion/hit markers will make excellent terrain or shell impact details for a 28mm scene, I think (if used on a lava board, might not even really need painting):



Folded up, the cube is 1.5 inches (about 40mm) on a side, and should make a good truck transport container, or even an airdrop rig, like to support Elysians via airhead from a Valkyrie:



Or, glue them together and you have something about the size of a Munitorium container:



I figure to hit them with a Nuln Oil-like wash and then try out sponging on some rust and paint flaking effects- gotta learn sometime!

More follows soonest.

"He fears his fate too much, or his desserts are small, who will not put it to a single touch; to win- or lose- it all."

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CommissarKhaine has stoked the fires of my OCD-ism, and now I want/need to trick out the underside much more realistically than I had originally thought- but it's all good.


Sorry about that :p

Much like learning how to assemble the Athena so that the outside reflected the internal arrangement, so too this scout vehicle is shaped to some degree by its drive train and suspension.


This is somehing I always try yo keep in mind: a vehicle, how fantastical it may be, needs the worky bitz aligned properly. Otherwise, it jus tlooks off in my mind.

Excellent sgtart, and nice find on the star wars toys, those should come in real handy

A Squeaky Waaagh!!

Camkhieri: "And another very cool thing, my phones predictive text actually gave me chicken as an option after typing robot, how cool is that."'

Meercat: "All eyes turned to the horizon and beheld, in lonely and menacing grandeur, the silhouette of a single Grot robot chicken; a portent of evil days to come."
From 'The Plucking of Gindoo Phlem' 
   
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That darn 'work' thing is getting in the way of my painting/modeling again- but I actually had some time to get some real work done tonight. Not enough real progress to show a lot of pics, but the intermediate step where you have a dozen pieces in varying stages of paint, wash, highlighting and/or gluing up.

Hey CK- very sorry not to respond earlier than this, but I'm in total agreement that there has to be some sort of 'form follows function', else the piece just doesn't look right.

Here's a WIP shot to give a (very) rough idea of what the vignette is going to (hopefully) look like- the vehicle dynamically poised with the intrepid TC engaging an unseen target with the heavy bolter as a near miss rocks the scout car:



I see I am definitely going to have to do something about the join line between the tire halves- tire 'mold lines' are one thing- these gaps are too much. But I can see the way forward now, and a lot of the niggling detail bits are getting done, so I'm excited to start planning the actual base. The chassis will look a lot better when the fenders are installed and the door openings trimmed in.

Your ideas, suggestions and constructive criticisms welcome- more follows soonest!

"He fears his fate too much, or his desserts are small, who will not put it to a single touch; to win- or lose- it all."

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Not where I should be

Excellent work.

Need more time to model, break a hip, it's bloody painful, but your hands are free to model.

Agree on the tyres, bit drastic and depends on the terrain this is ploughing across, but you could use the superglue/bi-carb trick to "dirty" up the tyres in general and disguise the joint. Otherwise it is probably best to get out the gap filler.

Whole thing is really coming together nicely, can see where it is going, really fine work.


PS....TC legs make them look like they need a pee! Just saying....will be fine once everything is in place, probably just the angle of the dangle.




 
   
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Thank you for the kind words Cam, and you've got me laughing. I didn't notice the 'intense concentration' pose of the TC until you pointed it out- I'll need to make a rush of getting the arms on him and the heavy bolter installed before the driver starts making fun of him!

I'll pass on the broken hip as a means of gaining modeling time- got broken up a bit parachuting many years ago and will pass on the refresher course (at the time, I wasn't yet into painting miniatures an such- all that time wasted!).

I'm planning to crud up the tires (tyres, on your side of the pond?) and I want some dirt flying around from the near miss- but it's one thing to not over-work an aspect of a model because the planned work will cover it, and another entirely to make extra work trying to correct a flaw that should be put right to begin with and save a lot of trouble down the line. I'll have to do something I rarely do during a build and actually think ahead and imagine more closely what I'm actually trying to do (head hurts already just anticipating!)

Thanks again for the observations- you've always been a big help getting me aimed straight on my little projects.

"He fears his fate too much, or his desserts are small, who will not put it to a single touch; to win- or lose- it all."

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Belgium

ey CK- very sorry not to respond earlier than this, but I'm in total agreement that there has to be some sort of 'form follows function', else the piece just doesn't look right.


No worries, hobby time is limited- I know that all too well.

Loving where you're going with it, tough I would probably have aligned the ridges on the wheel. benefit of hindsight, of course. I agree that some greenstuffing is jn order, but other than that I love where you're going with the model

A Squeaky Waaagh!!

Camkhieri: "And another very cool thing, my phones predictive text actually gave me chicken as an option after typing robot, how cool is that."'

Meercat: "All eyes turned to the horizon and beheld, in lonely and menacing grandeur, the silhouette of a single Grot robot chicken; a portent of evil days to come."
From 'The Plucking of Gindoo Phlem' 
   
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Scout car is looking good, fraid I dont have much for CC on your projects as I am not much of a modeler.
   
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Yes, I put some deliberate thought into whether to align the ridges on the tire halves or not- and went with alternating thinking it would look ore 'off-road'. Now- in retrospect as you point out- it looks clunky and is going to make smoothing the gaps out a little more difficult.

But if I wanted easy- I'd have stuck to the instructions that came with the kit, right?


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Belgium

Yes, I put some deliberate thought into whether to align the ridges on the tire halves or not- and went with alternating thinking it would look ore 'off-road'. Now- in retrospect as you point out- it looks clunky and is going to make smoothing the gaps out a little more difficult


You learn by doing things - and hindsight is a wonderful thing . Don't fret, I'm sure it'll work out perfectly fine like this as well. No mistakes, only happy accidents

But if I wanted easy- I'd have stuck to the instructions that came with the kit, right?


Why on earth do people follow instructions? Where's the fun in that? :p

A Squeaky Waaagh!!

Camkhieri: "And another very cool thing, my phones predictive text actually gave me chicken as an option after typing robot, how cool is that."'

Meercat: "All eyes turned to the horizon and beheld, in lonely and menacing grandeur, the silhouette of a single Grot robot chicken; a portent of evil days to come."
From 'The Plucking of Gindoo Phlem' 
   
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I think what I'd do with the tyres would be to run a strip of plasticard around the centre of them... as with many of my ideas it's not a simple as it first sounds...

...I'd cut off 1-2mm of the tread bits to give a gap down the middle and then choose the plasticard to match the depth of the tread and run a strip of 2-4mm around the tyres. Merge them all together with putty and done.

This will hide the join and make the tread pattern look more "natural" (for a tyre) where I get a mental picture of tyres having a central line to push the water etc. outwards.

Just a thought.


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Hey Doc! That sounds very viable- and actually fits within my skill set with a Dremel tool. Something I've forgotten is that the top portion of the tires will actually be covered by the fenders. I think I need to test fit those, and if too much of the gap is exposed I'll go the plasticard strip route. What I was looking for was a more realistic off-road tread pattern from my $3 set of little kid construction vehicle toys bits!

Thank you for looking in, and for the advice

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This will probably be the last update of the WIP on the scout car (still need a name) before final pics after addition of stowage and weathering.

This first shot makes me laugh, because I had to add the seat cushion and back padding because the driver literally couldn't see over the dash- he needed a phone book to sit on!



Here's the driver fitted into place:



I figured the rear compartment would be a little hard to get at once the model is buttoned up, so the weathering is done first:



And this is a rough approximation of the placement of the model on its base- canted over from a near miss explosion, gunner engaging with the heavy bolter- trying to achieve some dynamism in the piece:



I also want to try some object source lighting from the muzzle flash of the HB. I have made a muzzle flash effect (a' la Klaus- Not Santa's tutorial on his blog) and I think there will be enough vehicle hull under the barrel to try some yellowish OSL effects. I also want to try adding some lens effects to the running lights that will go on as well (what self-respecting mud-bogger wouldn't have half a dozen or more fog lamps and other assorted glaring annoyances?).

I also test fitted the fenders, and they hide a lot of the tire seam. Between them and some dirt, the tires should come out looking fine.

With some luck, I'll have time to work tomorrow and Thursday, and may actually wrap this build up before I head off to my other job (Shetland Pony rescue) for the weekend.

Thank you for looking in, and for your comments. More follows soonest!


"He fears his fate too much, or his desserts are small, who will not put it to a single touch; to win- or lose- it all."

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Ambitious. I like it

A Squeaky Waaagh!!

Camkhieri: "And another very cool thing, my phones predictive text actually gave me chicken as an option after typing robot, how cool is that."'

Meercat: "All eyes turned to the horizon and beheld, in lonely and menacing grandeur, the silhouette of a single Grot robot chicken; a portent of evil days to come."
From 'The Plucking of Gindoo Phlem' 
   
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Looking good Meer, I really like how you painted up the crew.
   
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Thanks CK- I'm working on the basing tonight; I've got the scout car itself mounted and I really like the 'catching air' sense it conveys (at least to me- all y'all will be the real judges!). I think it came out better even than I thought it looked in the pic I posted, just mocked-up.

Hi Yorkright! I used the same uniform scheme/colors as the Second Platoon Grenadiers (who are actually armed with missile launchers as their heavy weapon, but there you go...) and it seemed to come out okay. Big step backwards for painting faces though, these are not as good (I think) as the Phaethon crew from last project build. The effort I like the best was on the First Squad Grenadiers- the female Eisenkern Panzerjaeger figures. Dunno what was different with me for them and not these others though.

I'll just have to keep watching the examples you guys provide and keep trying!


"He fears his fate too much, or his desserts are small, who will not put it to a single touch; to win- or lose- it all."

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Looking forward to it! For the face: try to not get white underneath the eyes, it makes them look either scared or doped up.

A Squeaky Waaagh!!

Camkhieri: "And another very cool thing, my phones predictive text actually gave me chicken as an option after typing robot, how cool is that."'

Meercat: "All eyes turned to the horizon and beheld, in lonely and menacing grandeur, the silhouette of a single Grot robot chicken; a portent of evil days to come."
From 'The Plucking of Gindoo Phlem' 
   
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Good advice and I'll try it soon- I have another squad of infantry to try to get done before the Empire of Men figures get here from the Kickstarter. Can't wait!

"He fears his fate too much, or his desserts are small, who will not put it to a single touch; to win- or lose- it all."

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You scout vehicle looks to be coming along nicely.

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Thanks ORM- better than it looks in the last photos, really. It's mounted on the base and I'm almost done with texturing and terrain effects- it's just hard to find any time to model, some days! I've been in Charlottesville, VA for the past two days supporting an exercise, I'm back now and hoping to have finished pics to show off soon.

More follows soonest!

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Except for some dirt on those dang front tires (to hide the bad join line), this project is finished. In the Imperial Army lists these vehicles are known as Hyperion Light Reconnaissance Vehicles (LRVs), to the men who crew them they are affectionately known as 'Midges' or not so affectionately as 'Rent-a-Coffins'. Here's the shots of the final build, basing and weathering:

I cut a 90 degree angled piece of sprue to use as a 'kickstand' to hold the model at the angle I wanted:



A little greenstuff (which I have just now started trying to do anything with- you guys that use it all the time make it look _easy_) to hide the base a bit:



I used my foam cutter to shape a 'shoe' (sabot) that is the dune, or little hillock, that the car is leaping over:



And glued it in place:



Add some rocks (which won't stay 'natural', everything has to get painted):



Paint everything on the base plate a bottom coat of khaki, add some brown ink wash over the top, stick in some deer moss to look like a bush and hide the kickstand, stick some ejected shells and the muzzle flash on the heavy bolter, and this is what you get:



The smoke launchers are from the Athena build, the ejected shell casings are described in the Self-propelled Anti-Aircraft counts-as Hydra build:



The 'safety mesh' covering the lower door openings is left over from making rivets, the running boards are left over from a Flak-38 kit (I used the rest of the gun in the Imperial Firebase build):









Everything is still in final stages of drying, but tomorrow I'll dab on some dirt for the tires, look at the close ups again and make sure I haven't missed anything obvious, and tehn on to the next.

New things I tried/learned for this project:
- Still gotta work on doing faces, especially eyes
- Really tried to convey an attitude of motion in this piece, from the dynamic positioning on the base to the ejected shells
- Decals- they really liven up a weatherbeaten camo scheme!
- Edge weathering using pastel chalks, I like it, but you can't put purity seal over top
- More rust effects

As always, I look forward to your comments, observations and constructive criticism. Thanks for looking in!

"He fears his fate too much, or his desserts are small, who will not put it to a single touch; to win- or lose- it all."

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That is looking fan-bloomin-tastic bud.

It looks balanced and "meant to be", and very dynamic, really captured the movement well.

looking forward to the finished article.




 
   
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That’s looking fantastic, Agree with Cam, really captured the movement well. Loving the muzzle flash
   
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Hi Cam, Alaricuk, and thank you for looking in. I had a lot of fun with this one and to finish off (or at least all I'm going to do before moving on to the next project) is add some heat colors to the barrel of the heavy bolter and some grubby to the tires. Like the Athena build, all sorts of things occurred to me to do as the build went along- especially after I cut out the rear of the vehicle hull to make it look lighter and I had all that visible space to do something with. And I was going to trick out the undercarriage, after seeing some of ComissarKhaine's builds and all the detail he puts in there.

But _unlike_ the Athena build, I kept the Midge on track and stuck to what I intended to do. The one thing I wish I had done a bit differently is to angle the turret slightly more forward, so I would have had some good armor to try OSL on. But, there's always the next vehicle for that.

Overall, a _lot_ of fun making this one. I've actually got the 1/48 scale version of the BA-64 and some grots to try out for my first ever Squeaky Waaagh! build!


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Oh I so love it!
That's exactly the scene I envisioned for my buggy! The speed, the dynamic ... it's all there!
Awesome!

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Nice work on the scout car.

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Hi Klaus, Oldravenman,

Thank you both for looking in. I take it as high praise indeed when fellow modelers- whose work I use to inform my own- speak well of a project I've really put some effort into.

I'm at another crossroads in my development as a modeler: up 'til now I've considered that everything I do must be 'game-able', a counts-as, or at least loosely within a rules set. There are certain limitations inherent in that, though, because there is a certain element of 'toy' or 'game piece' within the constraints of usability.

So, now I need to figure out if I want to really just do a diorama or vignette, and try for a higher level of realism?

Don't get me wrong, I very much like how the SPAAG, Athena, Midge and even the Hellhound counts-as came out (gotta do something with that wad of hairnet posing as camo netting on the back of the 'Hound), and that may be the upper limit of my painting talents. Which is okay, because there is so much more to try, like OSL, NMM and other techniques. Not to mention micro-lighting a scene or vehicle (or vehicle in a scene)!

I think the motto "You're only as good as your next project" is very appropriate at this juncture. I'm happy with what I've done, am working on a small, easy terrain piece and need to really think about what I'm going to do next.

More follows soonest!

"He fears his fate too much, or his desserts are small, who will not put it to a single touch; to win- or lose- it all."

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