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Oh man... HBO... all I can think of now is Gaunts Ghosts done I the style of Band of Brothers.... oh yes...

BrianDavion wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Not familar with the character, but it would be awesome to have an episode where the Inquistor exposes a genestealer cult. I'd definitely watch that!

I don't think he ever deals with genestealers but there's lots of awesome stuff

He is in the Ordo Xenos, so it makes sense that he’d deal with them. Can’t remember how the timing works out - is Xenos set before the discovery of the Ghosar Secundus cult?

Not quite Eisenhorn, but this news has inspired me to finally pick up the Ravenor books (the new omnibus came in handy). I love the Eisenhorn series, and inquisitors are one of my favourite things about 40k.

My hope is netflix.

BrianDavion wrote:
My hope is netflix.

Amazon and Nertflix are making very good shows

The producer and his studio are the ones behind The man in the high castle. That show is already the most grim dark show currently on TV. If you have not seen the man in the high castle I highly recommend it to 40k fans.

It's an alternative history show set in the 1960s after a WW2 axis victory. The divergence from our timeline was a single bullet that kills FDR in 1933 instead of missing him and killing the mayor of Chicago causing this chain of events.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Zangara#Assassination_attempt

Rough timeline in the spoiler of events that occur before the show


The main villains in the series are anti villains with some redeeming qualities. There are some good Nazis and some bad resistance fighters. The governments are insanely evil.

 schadenfreude wrote:
The producer and his studio are the ones behind The man in the high castle. That show is already the most grim dark show currently on TV. If you have not seen the man in the high castle I highly recommend it to 40k fans.

It's an alternative history show set in the 1960s after a WW2 axis victory. The divergence from our timeline was a single bullet that kills FDR in 1933 instead of missing him and killing the mayor of Chicago causing this chain of events.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Zangara#Assassination_attempt

Rough timeline in the spoiler of events that occur before the show

Spoiler:

A series of bad presidents worsened the depression.

American politics is more isolationist. No lend lease to UK or USSR. No oil embargoes on Axis powers.

No fleet build up. Massive naval cuts instead. The US sticks with the fleet of 1933. We never even build the 3 carriers that were spared at pearl harbor

Middle eastern countries side with Germany after victories in north Africa solving their fuel problems.

Germany and Japan pincer the USSR like they are playing Axis and allies knocking them out of the war.

America is only attacked by Japan after USSR and China are knocked out of the war. Germany only joins after developing intercontinental bombers that drops a nuke on DC. What's left of the US government surrenders and orders the army to help the Nazis and Japanese who annex everything west of the rocky mountains. The invasion and occupation is mostly fought by Americans against resistance units.

The rocky mountains and the middle of Russia are set up as neutral zones and buffer states. Japan and Germany enter a cold war like the USA and USSR. That's where the series begins.

The main villains in the series are anti villains with some redeeming qualities. There are some good Nazis and some bad resistance fighters. The governments are insanely evil.

The idea that the only line between axis victory or defeat is FDR is absurd to the point of comical.

 Red Marine wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:
The producer and his studio are the ones behind The man in the high castle. That show is already the most grim dark show currently on TV. If you have not seen the man in the high castle I highly recommend it to 40k fans.

It's an alternative history show set in the 1960s after a WW2 axis victory. The divergence from our timeline was a single bullet that kills FDR in 1933 instead of missing him and killing the mayor of Chicago causing this chain of events.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Zangara#Assassination_attempt

Rough timeline in the spoiler of events that occur before the show

Spoiler:

A series of bad presidents worsened the depression.

American politics is more isolationist. No lend lease to UK or USSR. No oil embargoes on Axis powers.

No fleet build up. Massive naval cuts instead. The US sticks with the fleet of 1933. We never even build the 3 carriers that were spared at pearl harbor

Middle eastern countries side with Germany after victories in north Africa solving their fuel problems.

Germany and Japan pincer the USSR like they are playing Axis and allies knocking them out of the war.

America is only attacked by Japan after USSR and China are knocked out of the war. Germany only joins after developing intercontinental bombers that drops a nuke on DC. What's left of the US government surrenders and orders the army to help the Nazis and Japanese who annex everything west of the rocky mountains. The invasion and occupation is mostly fought by Americans against resistance units.

The rocky mountains and the middle of Russia are set up as neutral zones and buffer states. Japan and Germany enter a cold war like the USA and USSR. That's where the series begins.

The main villains in the series are anti villains with some redeeming qualities. There are some good Nazis and some bad resistance fighters. The governments are insanely evil.

The idea that the only line between axis victory or defeat is FDR is absurd to the point of comical.

It's a butterfly effect fiction for a book. Take a deep breath.

Indeed. Someone placing a single coffee cup down in a slightly different way could have meant an axis victory.

except he's right it is comical. there's no evidance Japan had any intreast in conquerering the USA.. Japan attacked Peral harbor because the USA was resisting their attempts to eistablish hegemony in the east pacific. Hitler also would have greatly prefered to stay out of war with America. I can only think of one reason north America would have been invaded at all. and, it wou;dn't have been to conquer the USA. (it would have been to hunt down the british government in exile, that would have been in Canada. Fun fact. the X-mansion from X-men 1 and 2 was picked out as a likely place for the british royals to flee to if they had to go into exile)

All of which would be a discussion for a different thread...

mortar_crew wrote:
An Inquisitor fighting Slaanesh Deamon would make
me buying the DVD box just for that scene,
if done properly...

I think you're thinking of the original Inquisitor novels. There were some... interesting... scenes in those books.

 Flinty wrote:
Oh man... HBO... all I can think of now is Gaunts Ghosts done I the style of Band of Brothers.... oh yes...

That would be incredible. Doesn't even need to be Gaunts Ghosts. Just that style would be amazing.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I do wonder if they’ll feature Bolters. They’re iconic of the setting, but horrifying weapons in terms of what they do.

I mean, they have to, right? Bolters are incredibly violent* weapons and I think treating them like just another machine gun would be a bad idea.



*Weapons are inherently violent, what with them being weapons and all, but you know what I mean!

how often do we see bolters used in the story in a way that would be deemed "plot important"? it might be an idea to reserve boltguns for the few times space marines show up. the first time they encounter a chaos space marine, they see him and all, and Bequin (I think it was her) basicly loses it in sheer terror. Just SEEING a CSM isn't gonna work in that scene on TV. They need to do everything they can to make a chaos space marine absolutly TERRIFYING. and restricting some of the more horrific personal weapons for astartes hands? not a bad way to do it, if the first time we see a chain sword and bolt gun, and what they can dois when a single CSM does it to a platoon of guardsmen...

Well, for an Inquisitor, they make sense.

Facing an angry crowd? Looking to reassert control and dominance? Couple of ring leaders suffering a sudden and rather fatal case of ‘exploding chest’ is likely to show you mean business.

Bolters are terror weapons. Beyond that, they’re almost laughable inefficient (difficult to maintain, small clips, ammo hard to come by) compared to the Lasgun or Pistol. But the sheer damage they wreak? Yeah. That’s not something you can shoot to wound with.

Though.....I suppose an exposition scene, explaining what they are and how they work, then a side of Grox becoming a fine, red mist might serve nicely? Think Dirty Harry, but with a demo and a detonation?

Gregor receives a bolt pistol in Xenos as a gift.

Before that he and other many other characters as well, use a variety of solid shot handguns, which are hand cannons in their own respect, with Dan graphically describing the massive exit wounds and destroyed craniums they leave in their wake.

Which is fine with me. Large bore solid shot is dandy. But a Bolt weapon must be a Bolt weapon, in all it's gory glory!

BrianDavion wrote:
how often do we see bolters used in the story in a way that would be deemed "plot important"? it might be an idea to reserve boltguns for the few times space marines show up. the first time they encounter a chaos space marine, they see him and all, and Bequin (I think it was her) basicly loses it in sheer terror. Just SEEING a CSM isn't gonna work in that scene on TV. They need to do everything they can to make a chaos space marine absolutly TERRIFYING. and restricting some of the more horrific personal weapons for astartes hands? not a bad way to do it, if the first time we see a chain sword and bolt gun, and what they can dois when a single CSM does it to a platoon of guardsmen...

This is actually a really good point.

The background always says that Marines are rare - that there's one Marine for every planet in the Imperium! Now that's obviously not meant to be the literal truth, and more to emphasise that they really are a small force compared to the greater Imperium and no matter how much they feature in GW's artwork, the amount of different flavours of Space Marine you can play, and all the so-called "bolter porn" that BL make, in the 'reality' of the 41st Millennium most people will live their entire lives without ever seeing a Space Marine.

This, I would think, applies to Chaos Space Marines as well, and brings me back to your point. The appearance of a Space Marine should be very rare, and for a CSM it needs to be something that terrifies 'regular' people. Enough that simply seeing it come towards them doesn't bring on a sense of dread, but more a sense of 'we've already lost'. I seem to recall there was even a line like that in the book. unstoppable force and the squishy humans are far from an immovable object.

Marines don't show up much in the Eisenhorn books (it has been a while since I read them), but I always remember that during the Truimph we see a Marine get taken apart mentally by a high level psyker. Given what we know of Marines it was meant to highlight just how dangerous the psyker was, that it (a child I believe) could dominate such a unstoppable force and make the Marine kill itself. I also remember the second Last Chancer's book, where the team is basically pinned down by the Tau, so a single Deathwatch Marine is brought in and just wrecks shop (the less said of the portrayal of Marines in Firewarrior, the better! ).

CSMs need to be terrifying (and Daemonhosts/the powers of the Warp a step beyond even that) in the same way that Loyalist Marines need to be utterly awe inspiring. And they should almost never show up.

Other example of 'Marines are terrifying' comes from Nightbringer, the first Uriel Ventris novel (sorry for spelling).

Crowd literally on the verge of a full scale riot. Local Arbites barely holding them back. Ventris passes by in a carriage - and the crowd just settles the eff down.

That's impact! Then there's the bit later on where he tears a bunker mounted Heavy Bolter off it's mounting, and turns it against the occupants. That's just cool. And they shouldn't have shot his sword in half.

Marines are in Xenos, Heretical and Deathwatch so bolters would/should be in it. The main fight scene the Deathwatch marine(s) are involve in they have a storm bolter I believe? He's also a space wolf if I remember correctly, and also I mentioned previously the meeting between Gregor and the DW Librarian over tea.

They are quite integral to the story for me, specifically the heretical astartes as Eisenhorn manages to kill one. An EC marine I believe, an aspiring champion maybe? Anyway, whilst they aren't in the story for long, it is an important component of the story, mainly due to the intrigue and slight suspicion of Gregor being actually be able to kill the EC marine. This obviously brings Gregor a lot of fame (infamy).

Anyway, Stephen Dillane should play Gregor who played Stannis from GoT. If you haven't watched the Tunnel by HBO you should as it explores a different side/capability of the actor that would be well suited to Gregor pre-disability, and well... Once he becomes unable to display emotion, the actor has strong credentials of that due to playing Stannis.

I think it's a good fit appearance wise as well.

yeah they're in xenos, at the very very end, and Abnet used the entire scene as a "holy gak marines are terrifying" set up. we saw a grand total of 3 marines (and one was a Libarian whom we didn't see fight) if my memory serves. Marines in a Eisenhorn series should be a bit like monsters in a godzilla movie, or transformers in a micheal bay transformer movie, they're something that MAAAAYBE can be taken down by a group of people with the right equipment and a lot of luck, but realistic, when the giants fight... you get the hell out of the way

There's 4.

The first EC marine Gregor kills, then the librarian, then the deathwatch marine who fights a chaos marine which is a bad ass scene and as you say, everyone gets TF out of their way.

yeah the deathwatch amrine vs chaos marine IMHO is a scene that NEEDS to make it into the series and needs to be done well. do it right and GW'll have sold the concept of marines being bad ass, do marines WRONG however and it could deal irrepariable damage to the brand. The Ultramarines movie was a direct to DVD thing that, to be blunt, no one outside of 40k fans heard of. Eisenhorn is likely to be differant, barring it showing on on some third rate specialist subscription service with minimal market impact etc (like I dunno, some minor league UK exclusive internet streaming service with 3 movies and a half dozen tv shows) it's going get some attention. now the important thing will be to ensure quality, a bad quality will hrut the 40k brand, but frankly 40k is huge, and could be easily seen as the "biggest sci-fi TV show to come out of the UK since Dr Who"

If indeed they're strictly following Xenos as the story template?

We could be getting a prequel of sorts to begin with?

Xenos ahd such an amazing story structure I'd be dissappointed if it wasn't being adapted.

I suspect it will be, but I don't feel it has to be in the first season?

Dunno. Been a while since I last read it. Which just became this week's Nerd Mission!

There is prequel material out there: Master Immus' Transgression and Regia Occulta.

There is also a non-canon tie-in comic that came with the Xenos game, but less said about that the better.

there is, but is there eneugh to tie into a serialized story? serialization will likely be key for eisenhorn.

Well, even if it is an adaptation of Xenos to kick us off, they're by no means bound only by that story.

Short Stories can be adapted and dropped in here and there for exposition and scene setting.

One season for Xenos, one for Malleus, one for Hereticus, and then deal with Ravenor is the ratings allow it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, for an Inquisitor, they make sense.

Facing an angry crowd? Looking to reassert control and dominance? Couple of ring leaders suffering a sudden and rather fatal case of ‘exploding chest’ is likely to show you mean business.

Bolters are terror weapons. Beyond that, they’re almost laughable inefficient (difficult to maintain, small clips, ammo hard to come by) compared to the Lasgun or Pistol. But the sheer damage they wreak? Yeah. That’s not something you can shoot to wound with.

Though.....I suppose an exposition scene, explaining what they are and how they work, then a side of Grox becoming a fine, red mist might serve nicely? Think Dirty Harry, but with a demo and a detonation?

Would you like to know more?