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Funny how people are surprised about price when it's around where 5 strong elite releases have lately been. You were expecting to get them cheaper than say sisters gets retributors? Lol.

High prices yes but consistent with recent 5 strong elites. GW keeps upping prices so when there's 5 strong elites at price X news ones are def never below X and likely same or more. Once retributors were released it was safe to say these will be at minimum same price. IF not more...

Well a single box adds into your list whooping 58 points. As GW realised that Aspects are weak, they have been getting cheaper and cheaper. Idk how new players are supposed to collect classic looking aspect host they seen in dow or something.

and single mek gun costs around same ballbark and gives even less points. GW doesn't consider points that much.

It's elite slot infantry, it's 5 models. It gets price for those models and points be damned. Tough. But with GW games this is alas what you have to get used to or quit the game which is valid option of course.

Oh. That wasn't the Austrailia/New Zealand price.

Haha.

No.

tneva82 wrote:
and single mek gun costs around same ballbark and gives even less points. GW doesn't consider points that much.

It's elite slot infantry, it's 5 models. It gets price for those models and points be damned. Tough. But with GW games this is alas what you have to get used to or quit the game which is valid option of course.

At current point I am almost set for life. But that in say 1500 list my limited selection of infantry, if we translate it to new prices, costs ~500$ is fascinating.

Voss wrote:
Oh. That wasn't the Austrailia/New Zealand price.

Haha.

No.

Yeah. $90 Australian is ridiculous.


Consider that the wraithguard unit in Australia is $55, occupies the same force slot and can even be built as a melee unit.

They aren't even competitive in their own army list....

tneva82 wrote:
Funny how people are surprised about price when it's around where 5 strong elite releases have lately been. You were expecting to get them cheaper than say sisters gets retributors? Lol.

High prices yes but consistent with recent 5 strong elites. GW keeps upping prices so when there's 5 strong elites at price X news ones are def never below X and likely same or more. Once retributors were released it was safe to say these will be at minimum same price. IF not more...

Considering I don't track the price of every new release I don't think it's unreasonable that I'd be unpleasantly surprised by this price. GW's never been cheap exactly but it's reaching a stage where I'm considering just buying elsewhere as standard.

I'm curious to see when we'll get the first 40€, 25-32mm based character. It seems to only be a matter of time at this point. Of course, I'm still old enough to remember when Abaddon the Despoiler was the first blister pack that I saw that cost more than 100 marks...

Its re-hashing the salt of everyone else, but this release feels like the biggest explicit mistake by GW for some time.

Its a bit like the Wrack release all those years ago. Moving from resin to plastic is a good thing - but the world wasn't crying out for it, because the existing models were not one of those big offenders. (This is tbh, why "gib plastic Aspects" is always a double edged sword - the resin models hold up quite well.) I'm not sure I'd agree they are ugly - I think its a visual upgrade for Banshees and Incubi - but not a massive one, and frankly they still both suck on the table. Is a new player in 3 years time going to pay through the nose to buy them? Maybe, but not today.

Drazhar is terrible. I know its based on *the other fluff picture* but... eh. As people have said, he's gone from being an identifiable character to a Klaivex with more bling. I know "everyone is Primaris now" upsets people, but at least the models have tended to be good.

There is the old bugbear that Ynnari (nuked to death) can't even get SfD on Incubi without using a stratagem, because... uh, reasons.

tneva82 wrote:
Funny how people are surprised about price when it's around where 5 strong elite releases have lately been. You were expecting to get them cheaper than say sisters gets retributors? Lol.

High prices yes but consistent with recent 5 strong elites. GW keeps upping prices so when there's 5 strong elites at price X news ones are def never below X and likely same or more. Once retributors were released it was safe to say these will be at minimum same price. IF not more...

The Retributor kit is a poor example in this case as the banshee kit only contains 3/4s of that kit. In addition to the 5 sisters it has two minor characters. Also they are a heavy squad with bulky guns, not elites with pistols and thin swords..

Personally I have the Retributor kit weighed up at £30, but if I were such a player I'd push the boat out for £32.50. Being a Tyranid player at heart, I did so for the Tyranid Warriors and they are now considered just plain troops.

And we thought Goldsword pricing was steep. Nice models but £32.50? Its like somebody made a joke without a punchline

SamusDrake wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Funny how people are surprised about price when it's around where 5 strong elite releases have lately been. You were expecting to get them cheaper than say sisters gets retributors? Lol.

High prices yes but consistent with recent 5 strong elites. GW keeps upping prices so when there's 5 strong elites at price X news ones are def never below X and likely same or more. Once retributors were released it was safe to say these will be at minimum same price. IF not more...

The Retributor kit is a poor example in this case as the banshee kit only contains 3/4s of that kit. In addition to the 5 sisters it has two minor characters. Also they are a heavy squad with bulky guns, not elites with pistols and thin swords..

Personally I have the Retributor kit weighed up at £30, but if I were such a player I'd push the boat out for £32.50. Being a Tyranid player at heart, I did so for the Tyranid Warriors and they are now considered just plain troops.

Deathsrhourd Terminator is on similar 3 sprue, and it's even more expensive. And it' also happen to be their best seller when it came out. So expect the price to go up another notch for future release.

Voting with my wallet on this one. GW has gone a bridge too far.

If you wanted to max out at 30 banshees to do.a fluffy dedicated detatchment.... thats £195... what in the feth...

Hellebore wrote:
Yeah. $90 Australian is ridiculous.

Consider that the wraithguard unit in Australia is $55, occupies the same force slot and can even be built as a melee unit.

They aren't even competitive in their own army list....

Quoth the GW White Knight: "But they have a Facebook page now!!!"

Anyone who thinks the GW of old is dead hasn't been paying attention...

yet again this is in line with GW's pricing scheme, it's not a suprise (hence why the complaints about the cost began before we even got a cost) but hey, eldar players wanted updated aspect warriors. the phrase "be careful what you wish for" honestly comes to mind

BrianDavion wrote:
the phrase "be careful what you wish for" honestly comes to mind

Which is a bad place to be involving a miniature company... I'm sorry in advance imperial Guard players.

I’m struggling to see how this price is in line with other releases. Intercessors are £35 for ten models. ‘But they’re troops, not Elite Melee specialists’ I hear you cry. Reivers are £35 for ten models and unless I’m mistaken they are elite melee specialists.

I have been very vocal about the need for Xenos players to purchase new kits when they arrive, but even I would struggle to justify this price for so few models on such a paltry sprue.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I’m struggling to see how this price is in line with other releases. Intercessors are £35 for ten models. ‘But they’re troops, not Elite Melee specialists’ I hear you cry. Reivers are £35 for ten models and unless I’m mistaken they are elite melee specialists.

I have been very vocal about the need for Xenos players to purchase new kits when they arrive, but even I would struggle to justify this price for so few models on such a paltry sprue.

Agreed.

A more comparable example is the Harlequins for £25, which includes six good fighters, one of which can be an HQ character. And thats also considering that the Harlequins are by nature a niche, elite army.

Bdrone wrote:

Which is a bad place to be involving a miniature company... I'm sorry in advance imperial Guard players.

Not to worry, GW decisionmakers would rather be found death in a ditch than give the Guard a damn thing at this point.

tneva82 wrote:
Funny how people are surprised about price when it's around where 5 strong elite releases have lately been. You were expecting to get them cheaper than say sisters gets retributors? Lol.

High prices yes but consistent with recent 5 strong elites. GW keeps upping prices so when there's 5 strong elites at price X news ones are def never below X and likely same or more. Once retributors were released it was safe to say these will be at minimum same price. IF not more...

Weren't you earlier saying people should wait to see the awful price is confirmed before complaining ? They waited, and its confirmed. Doesn't matter how in line it is with other rip offs, it's still a damn rip off. The only difference is people wanted to believe it wasn't going to be like that and it was. So some are shocked, and others had better hopes and some knew it and wanted to complain more. As well even some more of these similar expensive boxes actually have some cost built into the box, like Retributors have so many heavy weapons in the box and more options. These are pretty much bare bones and robbery.

So why shouldn't people complain ? Some people just don't want to go " Oh well..everybody knows that gaks fethed. " Sometimes you want to say " This is absurd poo hockey "


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Bdrone wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
the phrase "be careful what you wish for" honestly comes to mind

Which is a bad place to be involving a miniature company... I'm sorry in advance imperial Guard players.

If this price stays the same and they do a guard revamp I don't know how any player would find the spare cash to field them. Like 50, 60 dollar troop boxes would be too much. They'd effectively kill the army for most new players.


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I’m struggling to see how this price is in line with other releases. Intercessors are £35 for ten models. ‘But they’re troops, not Elite Melee specialists’ I hear you cry. Reivers are £35 for ten models and unless I’m mistaken they are elite melee specialists.

I have been very vocal about the need for Xenos players to purchase new kits when they arrive, but even I would struggle to justify this price for so few models on such a paltry sprue.

Better get ready for Ghaz, I'm imagining his price tag will be quite..Beastly..and I feel bad for you already. I feel bad for all of us.


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 Agamemnon2 wrote:

Bdrone wrote:

Which is a bad place to be involving a miniature company... I'm sorry in advance imperial Guard players.

Not to worry, GW decisionmakers would rather be found death in a ditch than give the Guard a damn thing at this point.

As sad as it is to say, that's a good thing. As anything they'd make for them would be out of this world expensive.

SamusDrake wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I’m struggling to see how this price is in line with other releases. Intercessors are £35 for ten models. ‘But they’re troops, not Elite Melee specialists’ I hear you cry. Reivers are £35 for ten models and unless I’m mistaken they are elite melee specialists.

I have been very vocal about the need for Xenos players to purchase new kits when they arrive, but even I would struggle to justify this price for so few models on such a paltry sprue.

Agreed.

A more comparable example is the Harlequins for £25, which includes six good fighters, one of which can be an HQ character. And thats also considering that the Harlequins are by nature a niche, elite army.

IMO Harlequins also have vastly better sculpts.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I’m struggling to see how this price is in line with other releases. Intercessors are £35 for ten models. ‘But they’re troops, not Elite Melee specialists’ I hear you cry. Reivers are £35 for ten models and unless I’m mistaken they are elite melee specialists.

I have been very vocal about the need for Xenos players to purchase new kits when they arrive, but even I would struggle to justify this price for so few models on such a paltry sprue.

Nice to see you changed your mind now that the actual price is known .

They are in line with Khinari and Melusai - both 5 unit options, though they are also duel kits.


That said the price from 3rd parties is down to the £25-7 bracket which is closer to what many thought they would be. So you can get them for less and without jumping through loopholes. Of course it would be nice to get straight from GW prices like that.

 Overread wrote:
They are in line with Khinari and Melusai - both 5 unit options, though they are also duel kits.


That said the price from 3rd parties is down to the £25-7 bracket which is closer to what many thought they would be. So you can get them for less and without jumping through loopholes. Of course it would be nice to get straight from GW prices like that.

£5 more than Khinari and £2.50 more than Melusai

Melusai are on 40mm bases so are just factually more plastic and take up more room.

As you said they are also dual kits.

If you look through the AOS Unit catalogue they had a pretty good thing going:

10 big guys - £37.50
10 small models - £35
5 large models (mounted/elite) - £35
3 larger models - £35
10 smaller or massed models - £30

There are exceptions, but the general drift is that.

What did they did with the Banshee's?

They gave them the £35 price point of either 3 LARGE models or 5 BIG models.

So not only did they price them as if they are large/big, they ALSO reduced it down to 5.

If it was a 10 man banshee squad for £37.50, it would be a small price hike over the marines (xeno tax), but the current price is absolutely insane.

I do agree it is odd pricing on them, especially since the other Aspect model we've got in plastic is way down in the £20s with Dire Avengers. Another 5 man "semi elite" style unit for the Eldar.


10 in a set or a lower price and we'd not have 8 pages or argument over it. In the end though we can grab them from 3rd parties for less and also there's still some kits from the Blood of Phoenix kicking around. Though it is a bit worrisome for the future.


I can only imagine that GW did a rough internal survey and found many Eldar players only using a single five man unit of Aspect warriors of them and thus priced accordingly. Which is odd given that many units like Dire Avengers and Rangers are very popular in 10-15 man units or greater. Especially with how GW has made 40K a bigger and bigger game in terms of model count; and where many of the smaller aspect numbers are likely made up from the fact that most are in finecast right now which does hamper sales.

And how long time ago dire avengers were released?

Remember. When GW stopped doing yearly price hike for every item they instead moved to new SKU's getting steadily higher prices than others. If dire avengers would be released now it would be on this ball mark. If rhino would be released now it would be more around exorcist price mark.

You can't say "equilavent kit from 2 years is cheaper!". Well you can but you are also stating bloody obvious. GW is increasing new SKU prices steadily.

Of course alternative is less new SKU price hikes, more yearly across the range hike so that rhino you buy this year is more expensive than same rhino you bought last year

Better?

Pre-ordered a box over amazon from my FLGS. Torn on “vote with your wallet” Want plastic aspects, but that price point is madness...

Little plastic ladies won out in the end though. So when the next box of aspects comes out, you can thank me for telling GW we wanted them and they were worth producing. And then curse me as you break out your wallet.

But I will be less likely to pick up the next marine kit they make, due to blowing my hobby budget on tiny screaming blenders. So that will send a message as well.

Lets not forget that Dire Avengers box halved in contents, but didn't change in price, a few years ago. They're hardly a brilliant example of non-gougy pricing...

tneva82 wrote:
And how long time ago dire avengers were released?

Remember. When GW stopped doing yearly price hike for every item they instead moved to new SKU's getting steadily higher prices than others. If dire avengers would be released now it would be on this ball mark. If rhino would be released now it would be more around exorcist price mark.

You can't say "equilavent kit from 2 years is cheaper!". Well you can but you are also stating bloody obvious. GW is increasing new SKU prices steadily.

Of course alternative is less new SKU price hikes, more yearly across the range hike so that rhino you buy this year is more expensive than same rhino you bought last year

Better?

I don't mind gradual SKU price increases... but to say these banshees are "gradual" is a bare faced lie.

You can buy Reivers from 2.5 years ago, for £35. A TEN MAN SQUAD.

Or you can buy Banshee's as 5 squad for £32.50.

so this "gradual" price hike has seen us almost double the price? I don't buy it.