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Nurglitch wrote:
Tyranid-wise, Tervigons went down 20pts, and that's about it right?

Swarmlord down 30, Tervigon down 20, Trygon Prime down 15, Genestealers down 2. Dima up 25.

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Nurglitch wrote:
Tyranid-wise, Tervigons went down 20pts, and that's about it right?

Also, CSM Chosen have the option of a Thunder Hammer now?

Chosen have been able to take Thunder Hammers since Vigilus.
   
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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
Tyranid-wise, Tervigons went down 20pts, and that's about it right?

Also, CSM Chosen have the option of a Thunder Hammer now?

Chosen have been able to take Thunder Hammers since Vigilus.

Neat.

   
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Krieg Riders and Command up by 33 and 41% respectively. ... what the Hell!?

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 BlackoCatto wrote:
Krieg Riders and Command up by 33 and 41% respectively. ... what the Hell!?


They're seriously focused on trying to kill Krieg as an army recently, you shouldn't be suprised.

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 BlackoCatto wrote:
Krieg Riders and Command up by 33 and 41% respectively. ... what the Hell!?


They were a little silly. No idea if that is a good cost though.

   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 BlackoCatto wrote:
Krieg Riders and Command up by 33 and 41% respectively. ... what the Hell!?


They were a little silly. No idea if that is a good cost though.


could've solved that by adding 2ppm not killing the unit though.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:

In the 41st millennium there is only overpriced hamberders.

 
   
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Probably more of a reaction to how good they were in Imperial soup lists than actual Krieg lists. Guard just can't have anything nice because of their potential allies.
   
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I've heard rumours that the missions haven't changed from the CA2020 ones. Is this true? Is it only the secondary objectives that have changed?
   
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 Fergie0044 wrote:
I've heard rumours that the missions haven't changed from the CA2020 ones. Is this true? Is it only the secondary objectives that have changed?


I do not have any confirmation of that, but that is what has been stated. I'm sure we'll find some small tweaks here or there.

   
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Was there a need to change the missions?

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Maybe some new missions with some variety would have been nice. Some missions that aren't just variations on where the objective markers are placed + different deployment zones.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe some new missions with some variety would have been nice. Some missions that aren't just variations on where the objective markers are placed + different deployment zones.


A lot of the mission secondaries were pretty bunk as well.

   
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Who the Hell did Guard piss off at GW to suffer so.

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 BlackoCatto wrote:
Krieg Riders and Command up by 33 and 41% respectively. ... what the Hell!?


Yeah it sucks, but this was a completely justifiable change. They were more durable than their equivalent points in Guardsmen, and they still are even with their new point costs. A squad of 10 Death Riders will still be more durable than 40 Conscripts, hell, if Guardsmen were still exactly 5 points per model they'd be more durable than them as well.

You should have seen this change coming. I proxied my old Rough Riders as Death Riders, played them in a few local tournaments here in Australia and against a few friends. I stopped using them in any friendly games, I literally felt bad using them.

What you should be complaining about is the lack of changes to the Guard elsewhere. Something like:

Spoiler:

HQ:

- Commissar Yarrick: 90 points. He's just far too expensive for his points cost right now. This would put him slightly more than Straken. Think of the extra 10 points as a tax for not being locked into a regiment and that he has the chance to come back after being slain.

- Tank Commander Battle Tank: 190 points (with hull heavy bolter).
- Tank Commander Eradicator: 185 points (with hull heavy bolter).
- Tank Commander Executioner: 185 points (with hull heavy bolter).
- Tank Commander Exterminator: 185 points (with hull heavy bolter).
- Tank Commander Punisher: 195 points (with hull heavy bolter).
- Tank Commander Vanquisher: 180 points (with hull heavy bolter).

Dedicated Transports:
- Taurox: 80 points. Smack bang in between a Chimera before or after a turret weapon upgrade. The Taurox gets 2" Inch more move but carries less models, has weaker Toughness, no options for vehicle upgrades, and only gets the autocannons.
- Taurox Prime: 105 with Taurox Battle Cannon, 115 with Taurox Gatling Cannon or Taurox Missile Launcher.
- Trojan Support Vehicle: 75 points.

Elites:

- Commissar Severina Raine: 30 points.
- Crusaders: 11 per model. To put them in line with the same unit in the Sisters portion of the same book.
- Master of Ordnance: 30 points. Smaller boards killed his ability, you take him for the one-shot artillery now.
- Ogryns: 20 per model. The current drop just wasn't enough. This would put them at the same cost as the new Death Riders which seems fair. Ogryns have vastly better melee and shooting potential, but are nowhere near as survivable.
- Ogryn Bodyguard: 35 points.
- Nork Deddog: 45 points.
- Ratlings: 7 per model.
- Rein and Raus: 35 points.
- Wyrdvane Psykers: 5 per model. They'd still be terrible, at least this way you can get 6 for the +2 for 30 points to make them somewhat reliable at casting basic powers.

Heavy Support:

- Basilisk: 115 points.
- Armageddon-pattern Basilisk: 120 points.
- Armageddon-pattern Medusa: 130 points.
- Colossus Bombard: 130 points.
- Hydra: 100 points.
- Leman Russ Battle Tank: 150 points (with hull heavy bolter).
- Leman Russ Eradicator: 145 points (with hull heavy bolter).
- Leman Russ Executioner: 145 points (with hull heavy bolter).
- Leman Russ Exterminator: 145 points (with hull heavy bolter).
- Leman Russ Punisher: 155 points (with hull heavy bolter).
- Leman Russ Vanquisher: 140 points (with hull heavy bolter).
- Malcador: 190 points.
- Malcador Annihilator: 210 points.
- Malcador Defender: 250 points.
- Malcador Infernus: 240 point. Make the sponson heavy stubbers free.
- Wyvern: 125 points.
- Valdor Tank Hunter: 260 points.

LoW:
- Crassus: 220 points.
- Macharius: 300 points.
- Macharius Vanquisher: 300 points.
- Macharius Vulcan: 330 points.
- Minotaur: 280 points.
- Praetor: 360 points.


The biggest change there is the Valdor Tank Hunter which for some reason is still pointed like a LoW choice. It still even has Steel Behemoth showing how much effort they put into the FW book. Obviously that's what I would have done, then keep those point costs until the codex releases where they can change the points again to make up for any buffs.

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The Macharius should be a Heavy Support choice like the Tyranid Hierodules.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Macharius should be a Heavy Support choice like the Tyranid Hierodules.


It seems GW believe that anything with 20+ wounds is considered a LoW when it comes to Vehicles or Monsters.

Which is odd considering things like Dense Cover rules don't work from 18+ wounds. It really shows that terrain rules need a FAQ to 20+.

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I think it shows that basing the terrain rules on arbitrary wound counts limits your design space.

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On a side note, does anyone know if there was an changes to Inquisition units?

I saw on the leaks that Solomon Lok remained the same but not the points for Hector Rex.

On the GW side I see that Inquisitors, Eisenhorn, Greyfax, and Acolytes remained the same but I know nothing for anything else.

I'm really interested to know if there was any point drops for some of the other named Inquisitors.
   
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 Marshal Loss wrote:
Looks like TS/GK will be out before Orks as well, given the points values in the MFM.


Except bases on WHC article it looks GW is on "orks first". Which is bit weird. It's possible that GW for some reason hastened orks ahead in schedule. Or ork codex being first locked in limited box and coming separately later affects so it could be limited ork box, TS/GK, other side, separate ork codex release....

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I imagine the order will be something like
1. Ork Box (with collectors codex only available in the box)
2. Tsons & GK
3. Actual Ork release with codex

Like how the Sister's codex was released with their first wave a couple months after a collectors version was bundled in the army box.

Which will leave Orks Players in a weird position where they can't get their new codex for a while if they didn't buy the shiny box
   
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Is there anything why people assume that the Limited Edition Ork Release Box will be any different to the SoB Box?

because for me it was more or less clear that this:
1. Ork Box (with collectors codex only available in the box)
2. Tsons & GK
3. Actual Ork release with codex


is exactly what is going to happen, with the real Ork release being in "Orctober"

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Was there a need to change the missions?


Don't know if they are NEEDED or not, but since I already have CA2020 I'm just trying to work out why I would buy this CA or not (spoiler alert, I'm not).

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 kodos wrote:
Is there anything why people assume that the Limited Edition Ork Release Box will be any different to the SoB Box?

because for me it was more or less clear that this:
1. Ork Box (with collectors codex only available in the box)
2. Tsons & GK
3. Actual Ork release with codex


is exactly what is going to happen, with the real Ork release being in "Orctober"


Why people keep thinking one off event is every year...

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Still crazy that GW charges $40 for what PP gives you every year for free.

 
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe some new missions with some variety would have been nice. Some missions that aren't just variations on where the objective markers are placed + different deployment zones.
Thank you for the info, I genuinely did not know.

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tneva82 wrote:
 kodos wrote:
Is there anything why people assume that the Limited Edition Ork Release Box will be any different to the SoB Box?

because for me it was more or less clear that this:
1. Ork Box (with collectors codex only available in the box)
2. Tsons & GK
3. Actual Ork release with codex


is exactly what is going to happen, with the real Ork release being in "Orctober"


Why people keep thinking one off event is every year...


Orctober is a Meme and comes up every year, it is just that GW itself never really used and a full Ork release in October would be the first time GW does it

but make it November if it feels better

my point is that we have seen a SoB like Box Set with a new line of models and it is more likley that this will be an SoB like release (LE Box first, and rest months later) than a regular 40k release

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 AduroT wrote:
Still crazy that GW charges $40 for what PP gives you every year for free.
TBF there is genuine value in just having it printed in a nice format. I pay double the price for hard copies of RPG books over the PDFs just because having a physical copy is worth that much more to me.

Of course $40 is obviously absurd but something in the $15ish range would not be out of line IMO.

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it would be less of a problem if there was the possibility to get a pdf file for those in the first place

I like hardcovers too and it happens that I often buy all 3 versions of a gaming book (hardcover, softcover, pdf/e-book)

but 30€ for a Softcover with no other legal option to get the points update is something different

a 10€ pdf next to a 20€ Softcover Tournament Saison Package and we could talk about
(paying for the updated points is not an option anyway)

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I remain a fan of the AoS model of filling the gap with content that has value. The Anvil of Apotheosis from GHB2020 has been awesome, especially as they have been tossing in additional content for it in White Dwarf.

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