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Anyway, please don’t spend money on this ’balance patch’. The repointing is so far detached from real needs its unreal. Dozens of units need a 30% or higher pts cut, but GW gives 9% to some of the trashiest trash there is, and mostly leaves stuff as is.

If you are not into tournament play then you can safely ignore the books. If you are into tournament play you can't ignore the books.

Sisters of Battle coin+free model is June.
Orks were said to be June as well.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
pretty shameful they can't even throw GK and TS players a bone, here.

I really wonder what they are having their people actually *do* right now. I know things move behind the scenes years ahead of what's released. Is *eveyone* now working on 10th ed stuff? They can't spare a couple people to errata or faq current edition things?

Throw a bone...like...a codex? Realistically we're looking at having them in July or August at the latest.

I think you're overestimating, and it'll be at least August-October. Sisters codex isn't out yet and not up for preorder, and there's been no sign of when the orks are getting released(and remember, they get the special Beast Snaggas box first, with the regular codex to follow at a later point).

yeah, you're looking at Sisters in June, AOS 3.0 as big release in end of June, early July, so maybe Beastsnaggas box with special edition codex somewhere in July too. Not sure when the regular Codex will drop. Then you can look at GK/TS maybe August/September timeframe.

Lumineth army pack dropped around the same time as Indomitus, and since we've been told that whatever's coming is a "launch pack" ala Indomitus...we're looking at August/September for AOS3.0 to really hit its stride in all likelihood.

These preview shows they've done for the systems? They all have had a caveat of "within 3 months, assuming nothing goes wrong".
Beast-Snaggas are extremely likely to also be a June release.

Quasistellar wrote:
pretty shameful they can't even throw GK and TS players a bone, here.

I really wonder what they are having their people actually *do* right now. I know things move behind the scenes years ahead of what's released. Is *eveyone* now working on 10th ed stuff? They can't spare a couple people to errata or faq current edition things?

You would prefer they wouldn't　have put that so the gk/ts players　have to　use new codex points with old rules?

 Therion wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
pretty shameful they can't even throw GK and TS players a bone, here.

I really wonder what they are having their people actually *do* right now. I know things move behind the scenes years ahead of what's released. Is *eveyone* now working on 10th ed stuff? They can't spare a couple people to errata or faq current edition things?

Throw a bone...like...a codex? Realistically we're looking at having them in July or August at the latest.

Your post will not age well.

Age of Sigmar June/July. Sisters end of July, Orks end of August/Early Sep. GK and Tsons both out before November ends.

Anyway, please don’t spend money on this ’balance patch’. The repointing is so far detached from real needs its unreal. Dozens of units need a 30% or higher pts cut, but GW gives 9% to some of the trashiest trash there is, and mostly leaves stuff as is.

No conspiracy. Just complacency.

You may be right about the timeline. I forgot how much Sisters and Orks will get, but at the same time they're really packing in the releases to make up for lost time.

I don't agree with giant point drops. That got us into trouble last time. And in my eyes no unit needs that significant of a point drop.

The Stompa could use a significant point drop, just saying....

I thought all points cost were supposed to go up significantly in 9th ed, to make up for the smaller board size (recommendations)? And now yall want them back down again?

At this point, small tweaks here and there will be much better than broad stroke moves, that way lies madness and GW especially cant be trusted to pull it off.

Is nobody going to address the fact that the field manual contains points tweaks for codexes which aren't even out?

Since those codexes weren't tested out in the wild en masse (which has allegedly always been the proving ground for potential tweaks like this), then what are those supposed "tweaks" based upon?

 tauist wrote:
I thought all points cost were supposed to go up significantly in 9th ed, to make up for the smaller board size (recommendations)? And now yall want them back down again?

At this point, small tweaks here and there will be much better than broad stroke moves, that way lies madness and GW especially cant be trusted to pull it off.

GW does this practically every edition. Points go up at the start, to much fanfare, then go down over the course of the edition till they're back where they used to be.

 Dreamchild wrote:
Is nobody going to address the fact that the field manual contains points tweaks for codexes which aren't even out?

Since those codexes weren't tested out in the wild en masse (which has allegedly always been the proving ground for potential tweaks like this), then what are those supposed "tweaks" based upon?

I don't think they are changes for the codex, is just that now this books have all the point costs in the game if I'm not wrong.

 Mr. Grey wrote:
The Stompa could use a significant point drop, just saying....

And a native KFF.

 Jadenim wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:
The Stompa could use a significant point drop, just saying....

And a native KFF.

Just make the damn thing cheaper. There's no reason why it should be more expensive than Imperial Knights.

As for KFF... I was thinking of kit bashing a Big Mek in a chariot containing KFF being pulled my those new squigs on wheels.

 Dreamchild wrote:
Is nobody going to address the fact that the field manual contains points tweaks for codexes which aren't even out?

Since those codexes weren't tested out in the wild en masse (which has allegedly always been the proving ground for potential tweaks like this), then what are those supposed "tweaks" based upon?

Nope. This is normal. Playtesting (however much or little) doesn't stop when the manuscript goes to the printers.

Likely nothing changed much anyway, as part of the purpose of the field manual is to collate all the armies in one spot. It just seems weird here because the release schedule is awry.

 Galas wrote:

 Dreamchild wrote:
Is nobody going to address the fact that the field manual contains points tweaks for codexes which aren't even out?

Since those codexes weren't tested out in the wild en masse (which has allegedly always been the proving ground for potential tweaks like this), then what are those supposed "tweaks" based upon?

I don't think they are changes for the codex, is just that now this books have all the point costs in the game if I'm not wrong.

This lines up with the codicies released shortly before the last MFM came out - points costs listed but unchanged from the codex.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
pretty shameful they can't even throw GK and TS players a bone, here.

I really wonder what they are having their people actually *do* right now. I know things move behind the scenes years ahead of what's released. Is *eveyone* now working on 10th ed stuff? They can't spare a couple people to errata or faq current edition things?

Throw a bone...like...a codex? Realistically we're looking at having them in July or August at the latest.

I'm talking about errata to bring all minimarine varieties up to 2w (with appropriate points cost). This should have been done the same day the space marine codex was released. Heck they might have even sold some models out of it. Crazy! But why do that when you can do. . . nothing. . . and make record profits, lol

 whembly wrote:
As for KFF... I was thinking of kit bashing a Big Mek in a chariot containing KFF being pulled my those new squigs on wheels.

A stompa cannot ever benefit from a KFF because it doesn't fit inside the 9" bubble.

 Jidmah wrote:

 whembly wrote:
As for KFF... I was thinking of kit bashing a Big Mek in a chariot containing KFF being pulled my those new squigs on wheels.

A stompa cannot ever benefit from a KFF because it doesn't fit inside the 9" bubble.

Bah.

Then it does need a native KFF then, I mean, what mad mek WOULDN'T slap one on that thing?

Quasistellar wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
pretty shameful they can't even throw GK and TS players a bone, here.

I really wonder what they are having their people actually *do* right now. I know things move behind the scenes years ahead of what's released. Is *eveyone* now working on 10th ed stuff? They can't spare a couple people to errata or faq current edition things?

Throw a bone...like...a codex? Realistically we're looking at having them in July or August at the latest.

I'm talking about errata to bring all minimarine varieties up to 2w (with appropriate points cost). This should have been done the same day the space marine codex was released. Heck they might have even sold some models out of it. Crazy! But why do that when you can do. . . nothing. . . and make record profits, lol

I maintain that just getting W2 would do nothing for CSM especially when D2 is useful against marines and raiders.

Without other meaningful changes it would not help.

The positive note is that seem to have moved away from the 5 pts granularity.

Wraithguard are 35 pts but Wraithblades at 37.

 Dreamchild wrote:
Is nobody going to address the fact that the field manual contains points tweaks for codexes which aren't even out?

Since those codexes weren't tested out in the wild en masse (which has allegedly always been the proving ground for potential tweaks like this), then what are those supposed "tweaks" based upon?

Who mentioned points tweaks for unreleased books? The point of the MFM is that it is a complete listing of points as of the time it went to print, but that doesn't mean anything has changed between the unreleased books and the MFM.

It just so happens that the release order is a bit screwed up, so we're getting it before we're getting all the books it covers.

 Dreamchild wrote:
Is nobody going to address the fact that the field manual contains points tweaks for codexes which aren't even out?

Since those codexes weren't tested out in the wild en masse (which has allegedly always been the proving ground for potential tweaks like this), then what are those supposed "tweaks" based upon?

Tweaks are the new codex points. Like dark eldar points in january pdf were codex point preview.

If gw hadn't released pdf gk/ts would be paying new codex points with old codex rules. So pay for 2w etc they wouldn't have

As is orks and sisters are on that situation now.

 whembly wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 whembly wrote:
As for KFF... I was thinking of kit bashing a Big Mek in a chariot containing KFF being pulled my those new squigs on wheels.

A stompa cannot ever benefit from a KFF because it doesn't fit inside the 9" bubble.

Bah.

Then it does need a native KFF then, I mean, what mad mek WOULDN'T slap one on that thing?

I agree. I also remember the mek stompa having some sort of less powerful void shields, but I would have to dig up those ancient apoc books to find out. I also loved the stompa where the big mek would escape with a kopta when destroyed.

Stompa is still 900, so it either has been buffed in the new dex or.... business as usual.

Spoletta wrote:
Stompa is still 900, so it either has been buffed in the new dex or.... business as usual.

are there any point leaks out yet i hope for wulfen and thunderwolves point drops

Evil Sunz kustom stompa has been showing up in competitive lists and can be super oppressive to play against (though it can also fall flat in some matchups).

Anyway, I am really bummed that there are no leaks yet, not even non-scan leaks as to changes.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Quasistellar wrote:
pretty shameful they can't even throw GK and TS players a bone, here.

I really wonder what they are having their people actually *do* right now. I know things move behind the scenes years ahead of what's released. Is *eveyone* now working on 10th ed stuff? They can't spare a couple people to errata or faq current edition things?

Throw a bone...like...a codex? Realistically we're looking at having them in July or August at the latest.

I'm talking about errata to bring all minimarine varieties up to 2w (with appropriate points cost). This should have been done the same day the space marine codex was released. Heck they might have even sold some models out of it. Crazy! But why do that when you can do. . . nothing. . . and make record profits, lol

I maintain that just getting W2 would do nothing for CSM especially when D2 is useful against marines and raiders.

Without other meaningful changes it would not help.

Hence why I called it "throwing a bone". There's no meat on it. That's what the expression is supposed to convey.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/throw%20%28someone%29%20a%20bone#:~:text=informal,a%20bone%20by%20buying%20lunch.

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