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2016/12/12 18:00:09
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
JohnHwangDD wrote: GW has repeatedly said that players are free to play with whatever Codices they chose, in print, or not.
Non-GW Tournaments may restrict players, but that's among players, not a GW mandate.
My "Codex: Imperial Guard" is still valid, and I continue to play it.
If that were the case, it would be impossible for GW to nerf anything. When you play "Imperial Guard", do you play against 5th ed GK?
If someone wanted to, sure. Or even CSM 3.5. OMG.
It's not like we're playing for money, or people go home crying when they get curb-stomped. Last game was 1k of my Guard with 1k (supposed to be 1500) of GSC against 2.5k of BA. We got crushed. Before that, it was Apoc with 5 Knights against Orks, who got rolled pretty badly. Mainly, we enjoyed the beer and brats.
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nekooni wrote: Why can't a Squad of Sisters board an Immolator? Enlighten me, please.
Because it's not a squad of Battle Sisters. it's an Inquisitorial Warband. The unit has to be deployed together, so unless the "squad of Acolytes" contains 1 Acolyte and the Inquisitor counts as 0 models then there's no way to fit the unit into a 6 max transport capacity Immolator. Could you not have worked that out yourself?
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2016/12/12 18:06:24
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
I really hope it turns out the intention with the inquisitorial detachment is that the sisters/GK/DW can be in the squad with everything else. But it really isn't clear from that scan.
I'd also really like to know the minimum squad size for Acolytes, if they are going to be the same old terrible mooks from the Inquisition book.
2016/12/12 18:08:48
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
JohnHwangDD wrote: GW has repeatedly said that players are free to play with whatever Codices they chose, in print, or not.
Non-GW Tournaments may restrict players, but that's among players, not a GW mandate.
My "Codex: Imperial Guard" is still valid, and I continue to play it.
If that were the case, it would be impossible for GW to nerf anything. When you play "Imperial Guard", do you play against 5th ed GK?
John, if you're not playing in a 'matched play'/tournament type setting you can use the goddam second ed Dwarf codex from fantasy with your Eldar. No one playing only casual games should give a gak what rules GW does and doesn't come out with.
So saying obvious stuff like 'turns out rules don't matter when the games don't matter' doesn't really add much.
2016/12/12 18:09:01
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
JohnHwangDD wrote: GW has repeatedly said that players are free to play with whatever Codices they chose, in print, or not.
Non-GW Tournaments may restrict players, but that's among players, not a GW mandate.
My "Codex: Imperial Guard" is still valid, and I continue to play it.
If that were the case, it would be impossible for GW to nerf anything. When you play "Imperial Guard", do you play against 5th ed GK?
The "you must use the newest rules" is entirely a construction of the playerbase rather than GW. I don't think GW have ever written that you must use the newest version of a rule and if I recall correctly an offhand remark was made about using the old Ork codex at some point (might have been for the sake of using a looted vehicle or some such).
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2016/12/12 18:16:52
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
Commisar wrote: I really hope it turns out the intention with the inquisitorial detachment is that the sisters/GK/DW can be in the squad with everything else. But it really isn't clear from that scan.
I'd also really like to know the minimum squad size for Acolytes, if they are going to be the same old terrible mooks from the Inquisition book.
I don't. I'm hoping I get to throw the Acolytes in the bin at deployment so I can have a not-Warlord with my Deathwatch/ BSS/ GKSS.
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2016/12/12 18:17:47
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
StupidYellow wrote: Quite frankly that warhammer tv thing was a spiteful joke. They should just come out and admit it.[
What did they do?
They said that there was a Sisters of Battle sprue in the bin and that it wouldn't be out for a few months.
That is *not* what they said. At no point did GW ever say anything close to that. What you have is a lot of wishful thinking.
They showed a trash can,
One voice goes "what's this, these aren't coming out for months."
Another voice asks, incredulously "Sisters of Battle?"
Fade to black.
It was obviously in jest, and VERY FUNNY, and would have been better punctuated with a rimshot before the close. Or maybe Porky Pig popping up afterward.
They specifically said "plastic sisters of battle" actually and it was the same voice which said "These aren't coming out for months".
And to joke about something that quite a few people are very passionate about and have been waiting years to get and then not follow through on it is just fething dumb and would be page 1 in "How to piss off your fanbase for Dummies". Something which I said at the time.
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
2016/12/12 18:20:24
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
JohnHwangDD wrote: GW has repeatedly said that players are free to play with whatever Codices they chose, in print, or not.
Non-GW Tournaments may restrict players, but that's among players, not a GW mandate.
My "Codex: Imperial Guard" is still valid, and I continue to play it.
If that were the case, it would be impossible for GW to nerf anything. When you play "Imperial Guard", do you play against 5th ed GK?
If someone wanted to, sure. Or even CSM 3.5. OMG.
It's not like we're playing for money, or people go home crying when they get curb-stomped. Last game was 1k of my Guard with 1k (supposed to be 1500) of GSC against 2.5k of BA. We got crushed. Before that, it was Apoc with 5 Knights against Orks, who got rolled pretty badly. Mainly, we enjoyed the beer and brats.
And what a joke. The possibly most asked about kit is just a joke to GW. Yeah really nice.
I see some people are just as spiteful as GW. Just when I thought it couldn't be more nasty.
S.Y.
Drink the Wolfin' Chaos - Leman Russ
2016/12/12 18:23:30
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
A Town Called Malus wrote: And to joke about something that quite a few people are very passionate about and have been waiting years to get and then not follow through on it is just fething dumb and would be page 1 in "How to piss off your fanbase for Dummies". Something which I said at the time.
Kind of like pushing a bunch of expensive ancient metal models a few months before releasing plastic models is the 2nd half of page 1 in the same book?
2016/12/12 18:23:32
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
Commisar wrote: I really hope it turns out the intention with the inquisitorial detachment is that the sisters/GK/DW can be in the squad with everything else. But it really isn't clear from that scan.
I'd also really like to know the minimum squad size for Acolytes, if they are going to be the same old terrible mooks from the Inquisition book.
I don't. I'm hoping I get to throw the Acolytes in the bin at deployment so I can have a not-Warlord with my Deathwatch/ BSS/ GKSS.
Aha, What I want is a squad of Chamber Militant dudes, with an inquisitor, but also a Monkey or a Deamonhost or some Crusaders or something like that.
Comeon, a Mixed squad of BSS and Crusaders would look awesome.
2016/12/12 18:24:03
Subject: Re:Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
nekooni wrote: Why can't a Squad of Sisters board an Immolator? Enlighten me, please.
Because it's not a squad of Battle Sisters. it's an Inquisitorial Warband. The unit has to be deployed together, so unless the "squad of Acolytes" contains 1 Acolyte and the Inquisitor counts as 0 models then there's no way to fit the unit into a 6 max transport capacity Immolator. Could you not have worked that out yourself?
Ah, so they form something similar to a Kill Team? I didn't know that (hard to find actual information in this thread that is flooded with offtopic and banter posts), thanks for clarifying that. I assumed they were simply a Formation of multiple units as usual.
2016/12/12 18:26:19
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
Solis Luna Astrum wrote: 10 pages of something called Warriors of the Emperor. I'll bet you a cheese sandwich that's where Celestine is. I'm guessing that also includes Sisters of Silence and the Custodian Guard.
How much are you willing to lose, and how will you send me the money? Because we have a deal here.
Maybe a 10 years DCM paid by the loser for the winner?
I am alone in my dedication to the wondertastic Andrea Uderzo sisters. I shall weep a lone, very manly tear that will trickle from my manly eye down to my manly jaw. .
Not completely alone. #solidarity
Great minds think alike! Thanks, you brighten my day.
Mr Morden wrote: Hey wow a re-roll of 1's on saves - but you need to take an elite slot - cos they are all awesome
To be fair, Conclaves can be pretty awesome. Will eat PA marines all day long.
Thommy H wrote: […]
- Playtest the rules.
- Refine wording as needed, copy-edit again.
- Playtest revised version. As formations don't have points in 40K, ensure the unit tax is sufficient to justify its abilities.
[…]
Okay I admit that joke was funny.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: A third is absolutely not popular. In a group of 100 people that's 33 and a pair of floating legs for some reason playing 40k.
If a decision was going to be made, they're pretty much a minority that can be ignored.
Woah, you must be such a good businessman!
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2016/12/12 18:26:52
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
JohnHwangDD wrote: GW has repeatedly said that players are free to play with whatever Codices they chose, in print, or not.
Non-GW Tournaments may restrict players, but that's among players, not a GW mandate.
My "Codex: Imperial Guard" is still valid, and I continue to play it.
If that were the case, it would be impossible for GW to nerf anything. When you play "Imperial Guard", do you play against 5th ed GK?
John, if you're not playing in a 'matched play'/tournament type setting you can use the goddam second ed Dwarf codex from fantasy with your Eldar. No one playing only casual games should give a gak what rules GW does and doesn't come out with.
So saying obvious stuff like 'turns out rules don't matter when the games don't matter' doesn't really add much.
First off, basically nobody plays actual tournament games - tournament is probably only around 1% of all 40k games ever played. It has been a long time since GW tried to merge 40k and Fantasy, and the results were not particularly encouraging, although the source material from RoC StD was pretty awesome.
Lately, my group only plays casual games, and the fact that 2 of our guys just bought the brand new GSC Codex shows that we definitely do care what rules GW comes out with. That said, nobody seems that hot for Imperial Agents. I think you should not attempt to speak for us.
Finally, no rules don't matter, so maybe you should untwist yourself and just breathe...
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: I don't play GW games. Don't know why you assume that I love GW.
Why are you here at all then?
I may not play GW games, but I have an interest in some of the models for other games that I play. Might get some 5-6 sisters for that, might not. Undecided.
2016/12/12 18:29:01
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
nekooni wrote: Why can't a Squad of Sisters board an Immolator? Enlighten me, please.
Because it's not a squad of Battle Sisters. it's an Inquisitorial Warband. The unit has to be deployed together, so unless the "squad of Acolytes" contains 1 Acolyte and the Inquisitor counts as 0 models then there's no way to fit the unit into a 6 max transport capacity Immolator. Could you not have worked that out yourself?
I don't think it works that way, bear with me:
The restriction reads that all formation components with the (1) notation must be part of the acolytes' unit. The only things that don't have the (1) besides the acolyte unit are the Inquisitor himself and the optional chambers militant they can take.
Therefore: the formation allows you to take a battle sister squad with Immolator if you so choose. The Inquisitor may join them, or his ragtag band of acolytes, or neither, but the acolytes and the Sisters are separate.
Solis Luna Astrum wrote: 10 pages of something called Warriors of the Emperor. I'll bet you a cheese sandwich that's where Celestine is. I'm guessing that also includes Sisters of Silence and the Custodian Guard.
How much are you willing to lose, and how will you send me the money? Because we have a deal here.
Maybe a 10 years DCM paid by the loser for the winner?
I am alone in my dedication to the wondertastic Andrea Uderzo sisters. I shall weep a lone, very manly tear that will trickle from my manly eye down to my manly jaw. .
Not completely alone. #solidarity
Great minds think alike! Thanks, you brighten my day.
Mr Morden wrote: Hey wow a re-roll of 1's on saves - but you need to take an elite slot - cos they are all awesome
To be fair, Conclaves can be pretty awesome. Will eat PA marines all day long.
Thommy H wrote: […]
- Playtest the rules.
- Refine wording as needed, copy-edit again.
- Playtest revised version. As formations don't have points in 40K, ensure the unit tax is sufficient to justify its abilities.
[…]
Okay I admit that joke was funny.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: A third is absolutely not popular. In a group of 100 people that's 33 and a pair of floating legs for some reason playing 40k.
If a decision was going to be made, they're pretty much a minority that can be ignored.
Woah, you must be such a good businessman!
Conclave is a formation now, last i saw they broke it up into a bunch of useless units that don't serve any purpose outsode of the formation, and Slayer-fan is at best a troll or at worst just someone who has very little capacity for meaning...just meaning in a general cosmic sense.
2016/12/12 18:35:59
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
A Town Called Malus wrote: And to joke about something that quite a few people are very passionate about and have been waiting years to get and then not follow through on it is just fething dumb and would be page 1 in "How to piss off your fanbase for Dummies". Something which I said at the time.
Kind of like pushing a bunch of expensive ancient metal models a few months before releasing plastic models is the 2nd half of page 1 in the same book?
Yep and is also mentioned in the blurb on the back.
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
2016/12/12 18:36:33
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
StupidYellow wrote: And what a joke. The possibly most asked about kit is just a joke to GW.
[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]Sisters aren't even close to the most asked about kit...
That would be Squats.
I said possibly. Wow just wow, maybe you should go get a job in GW I'm sure you will fit right in.
S.Y.
It's always funny to hear John of all people on this forum call someone stupid. It's a lot like listening to a blue whale tell an ant to watch his weight.
Well it is in my name.
S.Y.
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Drink the Wolfin' Chaos - Leman Russ
2016/12/12 18:39:36
Subject: Re:Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
This thread too heated. Please keep in mind that Rule Number One is Be Polite. Warnings have already been posted in-thread and via PM. From now on, I'm just going to start temporarily suspending accounts.
For the record, it's is okay post that you do or don't like a release. It is not okay to insult people who do or don't.
Similarly, it is not okay to tell people to "stop whining" or other dismissive/inflammatory statements.
ERJAK wrote: Conclave is a formation now, last i saw they broke it up into a bunch of useless units that don't serve any purpose outsode of the formation
I'm not sure what it entices.
And I could name an even worse troll.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2016/12/12 18:53:55
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
Solis Luna Astrum wrote: 10 pages of something called Warriors of the Emperor. I'll bet you a cheese sandwich that's where Celestine is. I'm guessing that also includes Sisters of Silence and the Custodian Guard.
How much are you willing to lose, and how will you send me the money? Because we have a deal here.
Reading is fundamental. The wager is for a cheese sandwich. If I am wrong, and I certainly could be, provide me your address and I will mail you said sandwich.
The restriction reads that all formation components with the (1) notation must be part of the acolytes' unit. The only things that don't have the (1) besides the acolyte unit are the Inquisitor himself and the optional chambers militant they can take.
Therefore: the formation allows you to take a battle sister squad with Immolator if you so choose. The Inquisitor may join them, or his ragtag band of acolytes, or neither, but the acolytes and the Sisters are separate.
You're right.
The Formation consists of up to three units rules-wise:
1 Inquisitor
1 squad of Acolytes PLUS anything you add from the Formations content list that's marked with the '1'
1 squad of units related to the Inquisitors Ordo
And when you look at the formation's rules you should notice that they're not refering to single models most of the time - DCAs are 0 or 2-10 models now, I'll bet the Crusaders and Arco-flagellants work similar. So the rules changed slightly, but outside of Mystics (meh) and Servitors (which IS a shame, but maybe they're hidden in the Enginseer entry? Has that page been leaked yet?) we've not lost a thing, but gained the ability to bring the Chambers Militant as part of the formation.
And being able to generate and use a Warlord trait on literally all Inquisitors you bring is awesome. Remember the formation is 1 Inquisitor only, so if you want to bring 2 Henchmen Squads with an Inquisitor each you'll have your actual Warlord PLUS both Inquisitors generating Warlord traits. That could turn out really powerful assuming you're not locked to a specific trait on the Inquisitors - sadly their page is impossible to decipher to me thanks to the blur.
Considering all that I'm quite pleased with the Inquisition update, all I need to see now is the Acolyte wargear options and their transport choices.
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*edit* so to answer the original question: Yes, that Sisters of Battle Squad can purchase and deploy in an Immolator. The Inquisitor would even be free to join them there as they're from the same detachment - at least that's how I'd rule it. I don't think that last part is 100% supported by the rules, though - so a TO might decide otherwise.
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2016/12/12 18:59:54
Subject: Re:Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
Solis Luna Astrum wrote: Reading is fundamental. The wager is for a cheese sandwich. If I am wrong, and I certainly could be, provide me your address and I will mail you said sandwich.
Oh, sorry. Very disappointed. Even if the sandwich doesn't go bad during the transportation, it would still be US cheese!
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2016/12/12 19:02:39
Subject: Upcoming Imperial Agents Supplement :p30 Canoness model
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