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 zedmeister wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
FW is done, long live specialist games.

If you want anything 30k related I would buy it sooner rather than later.

I don't think things have got that dire yet. They've got piles of new sculpts for everything. And no sign...? I'd love to see something, anything. There's things that were showed off during the weekender that we are still waiting on.

I smell some sort of political shift happening behind the scenes (if that wasn't already obvious)

Yeah, I think there will plenty of cool kits to come. The future of 30K will probably be about serving the existing, core customers who do things like buy Warlord titans.

I don't think there will be much focus on growing the game among new players, mind you. In the Calth and Prospero days, it seemed like 30K was headed for 'core game' status. Now I think they're content to support it as a somewhat extreme niche for veterans. This is how we get a situation where big new kits are getting rolled out even as basic infantry upgrades go out of print.

And as I've said before, a game that rolls out its rules in a yearly series of lavish coffee table books over a decade or more...isn't exactly mass market. 'Extreme' niche is probably about as good as we can realistically hope for.

 gorgon wrote:

I don't think there will be much focus on growing the game among new players, mind you. In the Calth and Prospero days, it seemed like 30K was headed for 'core game' status. Now I think they're content to support it as a somewhat extreme niche for veterans. This is how we get a situation where big new kits are getting rolled out even as basic infantry upgrades go out of print.

It seems so. 8th edition suprised almost everyone in revitalising the whole playerbase.

Anyway i have my own personal theory that they wanted to soothe the Horus Heresy popularity (not necesarilly by intention) and focus primaly on 8th. In few years time when 8th will become more stale they will come back to pushing Horus Heresy with a new ruleset and a completely new boxed set. Then after some short time they will push 40k again.

Even if Horus Heresy will die it will be revived someday. Just like Necromunda or Blood Bowl.

Bah! We even see a new boxed set for Lotr.

 Whumbachumba wrote:

 whalemusic360 wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
Speaking of how well big stuff sells, I've been told from a reliable source that over 500 Warlords (@£1293 for a minimium fieldable titan thats £646500 in revenue) have been sold based on the certificate numbers. From the certificates I've seen they did indeed seem to start at low numbers rather than an inflated one:

Spoiler:

Anybody able to back up my source's claim?

I got mine about a month after they were out and have #131. 500 seems in the realm of possibility.

We got ours about a month ago. #684.

thats a lot of Warlords sold. I would estimate about £1m in revenue then considering more than a few people would have bought alternate weapons. Seems like big models sell, at least Titans do.

No unreleases this week? Aww! I was really looking forward to finding out what I couldn't buy any more.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No unreleases this week? Aww! I was really looking forward to finding out what I couldn't buy any more.

That'll be next week. The unreleases happen in two week cycles. This is the filler week lacklustre release where they tread water

thats a lot of Warlords sold. I would estimate about £1m in revenue then considering more than a few people would have bought alternate weapons. Seems like big models sell, at least Titans do.

When I was down in Nottingham a couple years ago I asked one of the employees a forgeworld how well they sell. He told me they average 2 warlord titans a week.

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 Brutus_Apex wrote:

thats a lot of Warlords sold. I would estimate about £1m in revenue then considering more than a few people would have bought alternate weapons. Seems like big models sell, at least Titans do.

When I was down in Nottingham a couple years ago I asked one of the employees a forgeworld how well they sell. He told me they average 2 warlord titans a week.

All things considered that's pretty impressive

Was hoping to see Scoria released this week - next week they are supposed to be putting the knight heads, basic thallax and mechanicum transfers on LCTB.

feth’s sake, really? Thallax are gone? Mechanicum’s basic troops?

And the transfers?

 Verviedi wrote:
feth’s sake, really? Thallax are gone? Mechanicum’s basic troops?

And the transfers?

What? Thallax are still there?

Just noticed the Cerastus Knight-Lancer is No Longer Available. Dear Emperor, please let this one just be a re-boxing!

beast_gts wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
feth’s sake, really? Thallax are gone? Mechanicum’s basic troops?

And the transfers?

What? Thallax are still there?

There for the chop next Friday.

As for the knights a few pages back someone did says they were getting LCTB'ed. Makes sense in a warped way as GW make plastic knights and the FW knights could be eating into there sales. Or that is how the main studio would argue it anyway.

SeanDrake wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
feth’s sake, really? Thallax are gone? Mechanicum’s basic troops?

And the transfers?

What? Thallax are still there?

There for the chop next Friday.

As for the knights a few pages back someone did says they were getting LCTB'ed. Makes sense in a warped way as GW make plastic knights and the FW knights could be eating into there sales. Or that is how the main studio would argue it anyway.

No, the knight heads are, not the knights themselves.

 ImAGeek wrote:
No, the knight heads are, not the knights themselves.

That's what was announced, but the lancer is now "no longer available". Not just "temporarily out of stock", given the OOP status: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Cerastus-Knight-Lancer

I’d be very reluctant to start collecting a Horus Heresy army now. I’ve no interest in collecting mini-marines so I’d go for either knights, mechanicum or Solar Auxilia. The problem is I’d no longer have any faith that my army wouldn’t just be dropped from production with very little notice.

 Peregrine wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
No, the knight heads are, not the knights themselves.

That's what was announced, but the lancer is now "no longer available". Not just "temporarily out of stock", given the OOP status: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Cerastus-Knight-Lancer

If this had happened a few months back I would be getting super excited about the possibility of a plastic kit. But with the IK book out I guess its either reboxing(with a different product code) or the end of the line for the Lacer.

The Lancer is because of the "Win a Knight" competition, it's been more successful than Forge World realised. They've just run out of stock

 Rolsheen wrote:
The Lancer is because of the "Win a Knight" competition, it's been more successful than Forge World realised. They've just run out of stock

Then why isn't it marked as temporarily out of stock like normal kits that run out of inventory? Why is it "no longer available" like discontinued kits?

It looks to me that the competition is designed to sell through the Knight stock quickly without having to admit they have gone on LCTB.

As someone above said why stat a new FW army when it could be dropped anytime since FW are having issues.
As such FW have got to be wary while LCTB is giving a sales bump it also is saying we have problems and could completely collapse there none specialist games sales.

Probably FWs new strategy for items they no longer want to sell is just to phase to 'mold repair', just like they did with Corsair upgrade kit. Not that it would matter anyway now, with Corsairs not being viable as a standalone army... *salt*

Some things to contemplate.

30k isn't dead. Tony Cottrell even made an appearance on Warhammer TV, along with Andy Hoare, to categorically put that rumor down and reaffirm the studio's commitment to it. It is not going away. MkII went the way of the dodo because they weren't selling any kits, because people bought MkIII over it every time and the release of the plastics hammered that home. The Legion themed kits went because noone was buying the torsos, the shoulders and heads were what sold, so, again, LCTB for the already bagged up ones. Now, it's been clear to all of us that the 30k boxed sets, Calth and Prospero, were great sellers and boosted the 30k signal a lot with affordable rank and file.

Warhammer TV is now monthly showing 30k battle reports and doing a 'tale of four generals' building 30k armies.

Thallax VANILLA are likely for the chop because you can just get one of the weapon specialist sets instead but build vanilla if you want them to be so. Why would you buy the lightning gun set when you can get the plasma fusil or melta or whatever the lance weapon is called and just magnetize your options?

'No Longer Available' is very often used to indicate moving a set from the horrible FW bags over to a box. I pitched a fit at FW over the MkII LR going 'NLA' and was told to be patient and a week later it became available again, it's repackaging. They are using these deals to speed up the sale of the bagged sets they already have cast up so they can replace inventory with boxed ones.

I can CATEGORICALLY tell you that FW are moving offices into a vastly larger space as the number of creative staff they've taken on has about doubled the team. Does that sound like a studio in trouble?

Throughout the tumultuous times of GW's downward spiral prior to this new golden age, FW continued to make a very healthy profit, for it's size and output it really showed those that were paying attention how to do right by the customer base, retain it's creative talent and flourish. One of the people who was paying attention was Mr Rountree, now CEO.

 zedmeister wrote:

I smell some sort of political shift happening behind the scenes (if that wasn't already obvious)

I definitely sense the machinations of Tzeentch, a Major change is coming. I'm not convinced it's 'political' but may well be 'productive' and, if I'm right, will see 30k boom like never before.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:


I can CATEGORICALLY tell you that FW are moving offices into a vastly larger space as the number of creative staff they've taken on has about doubled the team. Does that sound like a studio in trouble?

I don't think anyone's suggesting FW are "in trouble" in that sense, just that in the absence of any reliable rumours otherwise it appears that they're being refocused away from their traditional wheelhouse(ie 30K and passion project oddities for 40K) to a more explicit "support team" role for the main studio and Specialist Games(ie producing low volume stuff "on-spec" for 40K & AoS that would in yesteryear been cast as metal and latterly finecast, and all the addons and extras for N17, BB, and AT). I hope you're right and the pattern of LTTBs is actually an indication of something more positive coming down the line.

So the Cerastus Knight-Lancer is listed as "no longer available", but none of the other Cerastus, Questoris, or Acastus chassis are. That's weird. Are they doing mould repair on it or something? I can't believe they'd gak-can the most popular variant of their own super special Knight body without a last chance to buy warning.

Looks like the Militia sets have all gone...

They live on forever in our hearts.

And in China.

 Coolyo294 wrote:
So the Cerastus Knight-Lancer is listed as "no longer available", but none of the other Cerastus, Questoris, or Acastus chassis are. That's weird. Are they doing mould repair on it or something? I can't believe they'd gak-can the most popular variant of their own super special Knight body without a last chance to buy warning.

Does No longer available show when they run out of stock or is it a different message? It maybe that their win a knight competition sold out the lancer, as you say it is the most popular Cerastus chassis.

I would guess out of stock on the Lancer, but that’s just a guess.

Ice_can wrote:

 Coolyo294 wrote:
So the Cerastus Knight-Lancer is listed as "no longer available", but none of the other Cerastus, Questoris, or Acastus chassis are. That's weird. Are they doing mould repair on it or something? I can't believe they'd gak-can the most popular variant of their own super special Knight body without a last chance to buy warning.

Does No longer available show when they run out of stock or is it a different message? It maybe that their win a knight competition sold out the lancer, as you say it is the most popular Cerastus chassis.

It says "temporarily out of stock" when someone orders the last kit currently in inventory but the product is staying around. Once the inventory is back above zero (which can take months sometimes) it automatically becomes available again. It says "no longer available" when it has been set to LCTB (whether openly or behind the scenes) and the last kit sells, and soon after it disappears from the site. The only hope is that, in the past, some kits have gone "no longer available" because they were being repackaged under a different product code. For inventory purposes the original code sells out and is removed, and is replaced by a new item.

 kronk wrote:
I would guess out of stock on the Lancer, but that’s just a guess.

The thing is that their website supports an "out of stock" state for a product, so why not use it?

No idea. Both the GW site and the FW site have been inconsistent in the past with their use of out of stock and Temp out of stock and no longer available.

Maybe it’s gone for good, but I doubt it.