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the guys at my local gaming club said that monoliths need to mounted on flying bases. they said that all skimmers must have a base. if this is the case what size do you mount it on normal bases would brake

There is no rule stating that all skimmers must be on bases, just the one on page 3 that says that models must be glued onto the base that they are supplied with (if they are supplied with one) before they can be used in a game.

So in the case of the monolith, yes, it technically has to be mounted on the flight base that comes with it (edit: if it comes with one... which it apparently doesn't ).

In practice, most players wouldn't really care. Due to the Monolith's recessed bottom, the amount of difference it makes to the model's height is negligible.

My Monolith didn't actually come with a base when I got it.

Ah sorry about this post, my question is irrelevant.

So by RAW, if GW manufacturing forgets to put a base in your box/blister, the model doesn't need one?

Why can't GW just publish a model size/base list? They did this for WFB, at one time.

Alpharius wrote:Why can't GW just publish a model size/base list? They did this for WFB, at one time.

They need to, that's for damn sure.

It's obvious to everyone BUT the studio.

Somehow it's "difficult".

Alpharius wrote:So by RAW, if GW manufacturing forgets to put a base in your box/blister, the model doesn't need one?

Why can't GW just publish a model size/base list? They did this for WFB, at one time.

That... would be too simple.

Yeah
my wind host came with no bases... so i have ten jetikes that don't need bases.. ace!

Panic...

thanks for the replies. even after explaining that a regular base would snap the guys then said that i need to put one in each corner

I've noticed that they've started posting what size base models come with. It looks to be about 15-30% right now, but if you look at some of the newer ones.
Example:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1020021&prodId=prod1060025&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

It clearly stats Termis are on 40mm bases.

My monolith has been heavily converted. It CANT be put onto a flying base. There is a 2" hole in the exact center of the bottom for the lamp.

Thanks for once again not thinking ahead and looking at all the armies when making rules GW.

a mono needing a base? 0_o
so when the necrons walk out the take a 20 or so foot drop?

GW are having a laugh with these new rules.

my rough riders are mounted on 40mm monster bases.
the cav bases look like crap, and allow no room for decent basing.

Datajax wrote:It clearly stats Termis are on 40mm bases.

The rulebook itself has older metal termies on 25mms on page 233.

I don't think monoliths come with bases, mine didn't at least.

Platuan4th wrote:The rulebook itself has older metal termies on 25mms on page 233.

Models and armies pictured in the rulebook and codexes quite often don't match the rules.

How a model is pictured in a book has no bearing on the size of the base it is supplied with when you buy it.

Unless they've changed the kit, the Monolith doesn't come with a base.

Frankly it sounds to me like the guys at your LGS are just being a bunch of @$$holes.

If a vehicle is modeled on a base or off a base, it doesn't change the rules.

insaniak wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:The rulebook itself has older metal termies on 25mms on page 233.

Models and armies pictured in the rulebook and codexes quite often don't match the rules.

How a model is pictured in a book has no bearing on the size of the base it is supplied with when you buy it.

The rules say you can by agreement with your opponent use non-standard bases.

Treat it like a tank (which don't have bases) for measuring purposes. Monoliths don't come with bases anyways.
I imagine a monolith hovering slowly forward just a foot or so off the ground it wouldn't need a base in fluffy terms.

As a necron player, I actually tried putting a base on my lith, but I don't like to use it because the huge thing wiggles on the tiny plastic rod everytime a move it (not very intimidating). The reason they require flying bases for skimmers, I would presume, is because of the new true line of sight rules. Imagine an eldar tank that didn't have to go on a floaty base, it could take cover behind anything that could conceal a guardsmen, due to the small profile. The monolith, however, is so large that is doesn't really change anything for its height profile if you put a floaty base on it. It also doesn't come with a base, because it already has parts on it so that the hull is suspended above the ground.

Use a Nail. I hear Nails don't snap easy.

Ascendance wrote:The reason they require flying bases for skimmers, I would presume, is because of the new true line of sight rules.

They don't require flying bases for skimmers, specifically. They simply require models to be mounted on the bases with which they are supplied.

And true LOS isn't 'new'... skimmers being on or off bases has pretty much the exact same in-game effect now as it did last edition.

.... hang on so if i stick my waveserpent on to my flying base forgetting the plasitic rod, that ok? cool i can now fly round most of LGS terrain without being seen ^_^ (i think i'd no longer be able to get a game)
but theres another funny idea my fireprism have a 60" range if i got 30" of rod. Then i'm out of range of most things but i can see an shoot every thing ^_^ (again i think most people would laugh once and tell me to put it on a normal base)
>edit< for got about the 45' firing angle so nothing would be a target with in 30" so i guess 13" rod would b the next best thing (placing the skimer out of half melta range)

insaniak wrote:

Ascendance wrote:The reason they require flying bases for skimmers, I would presume, is because of the new true line of sight rules.

They don't require flying bases for skimmers, specifically. They simply require models to be mounted on the bases with which they are supplied.

And true LOS isn't 'new'... skimmers being on or off bases has pretty much the exact same in-game effect now as it did last edition.

Except you're not allowed to take the skimmers off the bases and TLoS prevents Fish of Fury from working because the skimmer hull blocks LoS of the disembarked passengers, while potentially allowing the enemy to get a no cover shot at the Fire Warriors. (Depending on height and pose of enemy, etc.

so, if i was to melt and stretch a flying base rod its allowed?
im using the one provided, just tweaked lol.

krazy, just a quick Q. to that comment, so if you gav all tau FW's the crouching legs they can shoot under things easier?
i know if that is possible they then cant see over much, but thats life

Tri wrote:.... hang on so if i stick my waveserpent on to my flying base forgetting the plasitic rod, that ok?

RAW? Not really. The rules don't grant permission to modify the base.

JD21290 wrote:krazy, just a quick Q. to that comment, so if you gav all tau FW's the crouching legs they can shoot under things easier?

LOS is drawn from the models' heads, so yes.

But as with any other 'creative' modeling, if you're doing it solely to gain a benefit from the rules, you're going to find it an unpopular decision.

Swordbreaker wrote:Unless they've changed the kit, the Monolith doesn't come with a base.

Neither the single monolith sets nor the double apocalypse monolith set came with bases. Nor does the model have any place to put them :-)

Swordbreaker wrote:Frankly it sounds to me like the guys at your LGS are just being a bunch of @$$holes.

AGREED!

Swordbreaker wrote:If a vehicle is modeled on a base or off a base, it doesn't change the rules.

Nothing to say here... move along please

Apparently GW no longer supply the ball and socket bases that the Piranha models used to have.

The Ball and Socket bases were great...until they broke.

Ordinary GW air bases break too. I converted all mine to steel wire stands, which means all my skimmers are technically illegal.