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puma713 wrote: True, but you don't agree that trying to mathhammer things that haven't even been released (and may not be accurate) is a bit. . .futile?

Generally any predictive model is already missing key variables that simplify scenarios being analysed.

Given the data we have from Yak it seems enough to run these simulations. (assuming you enjoy this type of thing)

Now data monkeys, I demand a 1MM monte carlo simulation! Mush!

Yakface, we need to know about another character to keep the thread going!!!

Or something (else) about tomb spyders would be nice

Actually, i really want to know if anything else, besides tomb spiders, provides some kind of psychic defence!!!???

masterofstuff1 wrote:Actually, i really want to know if anything else, besides tomb spiders, provides some kind of psychic defence!!!???

That would be nice. I was hoping we would get some nice anti-pyker abilities like before. The spyders give a 4+ hood on stuff that just targets them right? So there isn't any way for necrons to negate enchantment type powers? Hmmm.

Aldaris wrote:

puma713 wrote:
True, but you don't agree that trying to mathhammer things that haven't even been released (and may not be accurate) is a bit. . .futile?

Yakface has given the essential stats

From a playtest codex.

puma713 wrote:

Aldaris wrote:

puma713 wrote:
True, but you don't agree that trying to mathhammer things that haven't even been released (and may not be accurate) is a bit. . .futile?

Yakface has given the essential stats

From a playtest codex.

Why stop people from doing what they want? Mathhammer away!

masterofstuff1 wrote:

puma713 wrote:

Aldaris wrote:

puma713 wrote:
True, but you don't agree that trying to mathhammer things that haven't even been released (and may not be accurate) is a bit. . .futile?

Yakface has given the essential stats

From a playtest codex.

Why stop people from doing what they want? Mathhammer away!

Maybe the 'News and Rumours' thread isn't the place for Game Theory. That might have been where the original question came from.

Early Playtest Codexs never have fluff and artwork in them.

Codexs about to released do, and so do actual codexs.

I'm fairly certain it will be close.

Although, it would be nice if the court could take a transport, or a lord could have a wraith body.

puma713 wrote:

masterofstuff1 wrote:

puma713 wrote:

Aldaris wrote:

puma713 wrote:
True, but you don't agree that trying to mathhammer things that haven't even been released (and may not be accurate) is a bit. . .futile?

Yakface has given the essential stats

From a playtest codex.

Why stop people from doing what they want? Mathhammer away!

Maybe the 'News and Rumours' thread isn't the place for Game Theory. That might have been where the original question came from.

It is mathhammering based on rumor and news. Sounds appropriate

I'm with Puma - take it to the Tactics forum. I'm interested in news, not averages that never actually represent random die rolls anyway.

Is there any way for a Overlord, Cryptek, or Lord to be Stubborn and/or give Fearless to the units they join? I just want one big unit of Warriors that won't get swept immediately by anything that touches them...

UltraPrime wrote:I'm with Puma - take it to the Tactics forum. I'm interested in news, not averages that never actually represent random die rolls anyway.

That's exactly what they do?

I'm also still wondering if the lords from the court can take destroyer bodies

UltraPrime wrote:I'm with Puma - take it to the Tactics forum. I'm interested in news, not averages that never actually represent random die rolls anyway.

Damn right, let's go back to insulting each other over our opinions on the new models, that was more fun than trying to figure out how the new units will work and perform.

Zachilles wrote:
I'm also still wondering if the lords from the court can take destroyer bodies

As am I! I would love to have a court full of Tachyon Arrows. Is this feasible?

Vhalyar wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:I'm with Puma - take it to the Tactics forum. I'm interested in news, not averages that never actually represent random die rolls anyway.

Damn right, let's go back to insulting each other over our opinions on the new models, that was more fun than trying to figure out how the new units will work and perform.

It was.

I'm doubtful that large blocks of warriors are going to be worthwhile - they will still get swept at a glance.

You could put a overlord/lord in there to discourage it, but that doesn't seem worthwhile.

Putting guards in front with shields would be the best way - you soften up the unit coming in for the assault and finish off with power weapons and 4++ saves.

darkslife wrote:I'm doubtful that large blocks of warriors are going to be worthwhile - they will still get swept at a glance.

You could put a overlord/lord in there to discourage it, but that doesn't seem worthwhile.

Putting guards in front with shields would be the best way - you soften up the unit coming in for the assault and finish off with power weapons and 4++ saves.

Do as I do...use them as meat shield/holding up objectives.

We know they are not going to completely destroy a unit of termies but they are good to provide cover saves against a rain of bullets from an IG army. Also, in the case of vehicles, a scarab spam tactic would reduce AV considerably so the STR 4 rapid fire weapon could easily penetrate. 30 attacks on a 1+ and then on a 4+ to reduce AV we would be talking about -10(Give or Take) AV from the vehicle so we would be facing an AV 4 Land Raider(or Leman Russ).

If you mean infantry or horde armies just use monoliths. Thin down the enemy horde with rapid fire attacks and teleport them with the monolith when they are about to get whacked. There are many ways to improve suvivability with this new codex.

Tomorrow is the 23rd. Didn't someone mention they were being announced that day???

Sabet wrote:Tomorrow is the 23rd. Didn't someone mention they were being announced that day???

It's still the 21st here, lol. But, yes they were supposed to have the pre orders up on the 23rd.

Sabet wrote:Tomorrow is the 23rd. Didn't someone mention they were being announced that day???

On a Sunday? Doubt it.

puma713 wrote:True, but you don't agree that trying to mathhammer things that haven't even been released (and may not be accurate) is a bit. . .futile?

As futile as giving unsolicited advice over the Internet?

Agreed - however, it all seems to be about combined arms.

As an example terminator armies do not really need external support. Everything they need to kill is inside the unit.

Imperial guard are similar in that in that everything they need is in the platoon (EG Commissars, officers, heavy weapons).

Necrons appear to rely on the royal court to add that flexibility to the units. It seems to be an intended design, as even named characters can take courts, and you can take more than 1 court.

Entropic strikes sound awesome, but its a 4+ at the end of the phase, and only spammable on close combat attacks.

This means those manticores up the back should be safe, and with doomsday arks on the board, you can be 100% sure they will be screened.

This means realistically, the scarabs will get there "maybe" turn 2 assault.

This is why yak is saying the stormlord is so incredible - he effects the enemy army.

Everything I take is going to focus on manoeuvre warfare - by targeting their superior movement/firepower, I plan to shape the battlefield to my plan.

The biggest drama I can see is drop pod assault armies, and grey knights/blood angels as they have a lot of very good special rules, and have better troops equipment etc.

Is it just me or should we see pre-orders up on the website tomorrow (saturday the 22nd)? Two weeks in advance is what they did with DE release isnt it?

It is the 22nd in Australia.

We have nada on our GW website.

Maybe they are delaying the release as there was too much excitement, and it leaked.

darkslife wrote:It is the 22nd in Australia.

We have nada on our GW website.

Maybe they are delaying the release as there was too much excitement, and it leaked.

Yeah screw our profits, we're gonna stick it to our fans because they looked at our pictures before they should have!

I know you are being sarcastic, but this is the company that had a major trade exhibition in several countries about a month ago and did not say a word on this release.

darkslife wrote:I know you are being sarcastic, but this is the company that had a major trade exhibition in several countries about a month ago and did not say a word on this release.

That's a really good point.

Any one else notice the lack of update on the GW website that often mean that they have a special release time update event running. I.e. they have set up a timer to post the blog for them.

This could mean good things. We may be getting the necron confimation in the next GW Whats New Today blog thing.

Hey, I was curious. Does it look like there will be any sort of sit-back-and-shoot heavy weapon for either of the troops? The sort of thing you plink at tanks with while sitting on a home objective?

Or will we have to rely on Crypteks for that sort of thing?