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kargenetic wrote:Hey, I was curious. Does it look like there will be any sort of sit-back-and-shoot heavy weapon for either of the troops? The sort of thing you plink at tanks with while sitting on a home objective?

Or will we have to rely on Crypteks for that sort of thing?

Nah doesn't look like it. Seems all the heavy stuff will be coming from vehicles.

That's what that Doomsday Ark is for.

For all those math wizards out there...

We've roughly determined Praetorians pretty much tie TH terminators. The first thing that popped out at me as good for taking on TH terminators in this codex was actually wraiths.
They should get the charge off, the wound on a 2+, have more attacks, and with a 3+ inv and a 5+ resurection they are definitly more durable the TH.

So if someone would do the math I think you would find that wraiths are the best counter to TH that is coming out in the next codex.

I'm really liking what I see.

I'm kinda sad to see the old fluff go, but the new fluff seems to have room for the old fluff in it.

Not a fan of the Lychgaurd heads, but their weapons are BOSS. I like the main bodies of the Praetorians but I'm not liking the weapons... hmm... a bit of convertin' may be in the future...

I think the finecast overlord does look a bit tomb kings-ey, but he's still awesome.

Oh, and I love those vehicles.

I may have to abandon my Orks for a while...

Slayersan wrote:For all those math wizards out there...

We've roughly determined Praetorians pretty much tie TH terminators. The first thing that popped out at me as good for taking on TH terminators in this codex was actually wraiths.
They should get the charge off, the wound on a 2+, have more attacks, and with a 3+ inv and a 5+ resurection they are definitly more durable the TH.

So if someone would do the math I think you would find that wraiths are the best counter to TH that is coming out in the next codex.

Ok...So Lychguard and praetorians are for tying up/distracting Termies, whereas Wraiths are good at killing them then?

Yeah, that makes sense. The Praetorian ranged weapon that counts as a PW is actually a great termie killer, ap2.

StringBassKnight wrote:I'm really liking what I see.

I'm kinda sad to see the old fluff go, but the new fluff seems to have room for the old fluff in it.

Not a fan of the Lychgaurd heads, but their weapons are BOSS. I like the main bodies of the Praetorians but I'm not liking the weapons... hmm... a bit of convertin' may be in the future...

I think the finecast overlord does look a bit tomb kings-ey, but he's still awesome.

Oh, and I love those vehicles.

I may have to abandon my Orks for a while...

Well, supposedly Lychguard and praetorians come in the same box, so you could always do a head swap.

yep, but they might not come in the same box.

Sir Harry Flashman, VC wrote:

medd wrote:Late to the party... but I think most of those new Necrons look TERRIBLE.

You say 'most', but not all... Which do you like then?

The snipers and the immortals look good. The lords and melee units look... passable, I suppose. I'm particularly put off by the vehicles. Also, the flayed ones are disappointing to me. The flayed ones look like beggers looking for scraps of food.

medd wrote:

Sir Harry Flashman, VC wrote:

medd wrote:Late to the party... but I think most of those new Necrons look TERRIBLE.

You say 'most', but not all... Which do you like then?

The snipers and the immortals look good. The lords and melee units look... passable, I suppose. I'm particularly put off by the vehicles. Also, the flayed ones are disappointing to me. The flayed ones look like beggers looking for scraps of food.

Yeah, I think the new Flayed Ones are probably unanimously hated. I do agree that the transports do look a bit derpy, but at least it looks like you won't have to field them (though it would be cool to use the night scythe, but anyway). Now how to fix those stupid upside-down flayers on the Doom Ark...

The only flayed one that looks OK is the one in the centre.

On the Canadian GW site, all existing Necron units are still up, but the following cannot be added to your shopping cart anymore: Battleforce, Flayed Ones, Pariahs, Warriors, Wraiths and Tomb Spyders. I find it somewhat strange that Immortals can still be purchased individually when they are about to be released in rumoured boxed of 5, whereas Flayed Ones, which are rumoured to be the same cannot. And I find it very, very odd that basic Warriors can no longer be purchased in any way. Can anyone else make sense of this?

Slayersan wrote:For all those math wizards out there...

We've roughly determined Praetorians pretty much tie TH terminators. The first thing that popped out at me as good for taking on TH terminators in this codex was actually wraiths.
They should get the charge off, the wound on a 2+, have more attacks, and with a 3+ inv and a 5+ resurection they are definitly more durable the TH.

So if someone would do the math I think you would find that wraiths are the best counter to TH that is coming out in the next codex.

Wraiths are now reportedly 2W and fearless now. That makes them great against a lot of units but marginalizes them against TH/SS.

For example, if the wraiths get the charge, they average ~1.667 wounds and the remaining 3-4 terminators average ~0.930 wounds back, causing 2 total wounds. Wraiths have to take 1 No retreat save before getting the 5+ res attempt. It is worse if the terminators get the charge (1.25 unsaved terminator wounds, 1.5 X 2 wraiths).

yakface wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:The Praetorians are jump infantry. They have...things on their back. Is there any indication in the fluff about what those are? Are they really Necron jump pack equivalents, or are they like the Warp Spider packs?
The Necron law-enforcers flying around with jetpacks? Not cool. Teleporting out of nowhere to judge and execute? Freaking awesome.

They are mentioned in the fluff as being 'gravity displacement packs' (although its not a named piece of gear or anything) and the fluff basically says that Praetorians rarely fight in the initial wave of combat but instead use their packs to hover above the fray and watch carefully for where their intercession will have the most impact, but also to observe the foe looking for truly honorable foes.

See, "Worthy" would make sense. No sense wasting your skills against peons. But "Honorable?" I thought you guys were trying to assure me that the "honorable warrior" was just a special character...?

I could be wrong I dont use multi wound models much, but it was commented that in wraiths vr TH termys that the .9 wound the termys would do to the wraiths would result in loss of 2 wounds making them lose combat and take no retreat wounds. Since wraiths are multiwound does that 1 wound that instant deaths actually count as 2 wounds for losing combat? I thought it only counted as 1 wound for combat resolution purposes? If it does count as 2 wounds then sadly my wraiths fighting TH would be a bad idea.

Pre-orders go up for new releases on the last Saturday of the month, ie; Next Saturday the 29th October.

This coincides with the release of White Dwarf which is when everyone is meant to be able to 'officially' see the new models for the first time, and pre-order accordingly.

Then the actual release date is a week later on the first Saturday of the following month ie; November 5th.

So don't expect any official announcements of Necrons until Midnight next Friday/Saturday morning when 'Whats New Today' is updated on the GW website with the pre-orders.

The update missing today probably concerns the few new Black Library books released today including the new Zhorus Heresy novel, the HH audio book gift/boxed set and the cool new artwork book.

Sorry to rain on everyone's parade......

Nagashek wrote:

yakface wrote:

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:The Praetorians are jump infantry. They have...things on their back. Is there any indication in the fluff about what those are? Are they really Necron jump pack equivalents, or are they like the Warp Spider packs?
The Necron law-enforcers flying around with jetpacks? Not cool. Teleporting out of nowhere to judge and execute? Freaking awesome.

They are mentioned in the fluff as being 'gravity displacement packs' (although its not a named piece of gear or anything) and the fluff basically says that Praetorians rarely fight in the initial wave of combat but instead use their packs to hover above the fray and watch carefully for where their intercession will have the most impact, but also to observe the foe looking for truly honorable foes.

See, "Worthy" would make sense. No sense wasting your skills against peons. But "Honorable?" I thought you guys were trying to assure me that the "honorable warrior" was just a special character...?

Crap...you have a point there. Well, when they were still living they were meant to be like the honor guard or secret police of the Grand Overlord or whatever. But it's kinda dumb.

At least they are nowhere near as good as their lychguard counterparts...and Wraiths, who are MUCH better CC jump infantry.

Yeah so GW front page is plastered with a 300 dollar paint set which is perfect for "painting a whole army of miniatures or a single hero to lead your troops into battle". Couldn't remember the last time I needed a 300 dollar paint set to paint a hero but if the GW says it it must be true. Doubting anything on necrons will hit their site today.

Hox wrote:Yeah so GW front page is plastered with a 300 dollar paint set which is perfect for "painting a whole army of miniatures or a single hero to lead your troops into battle". Couldn't remember the last time I needed a 300 dollar paint set to paint a hero but if the GW says it it must be true. Doubting anything on necrons will hit their site today.

Yeah...it's as if they spend all their time releasing useless gimmicky crap instead of something, you know, interesting.

They spent the last month yapping about Dreadfleet...which was lame. And now they are trying to sell a 300 dollar paint set...which no one will get because it's pointless.

And all while everyone has been waiting for

a) new models (Like half the Nid codex)
b) New rules (like Necrons/SoB)

You know, stuff that matters.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Hox wrote:Yeah so GW front page is plastered with a 300 dollar paint set which is perfect for "painting a whole army of miniatures or a single hero to lead your troops into battle". Couldn't remember the last time I needed a 300 dollar paint set to paint a hero but if the GW says it it must be true. Doubting anything on necrons will hit their site today.

Yeah...it's as if they spend all their time releasing useless gimmicky crap instead of something, you know, interesting.

They spent the last month yapping about Dreadfleet...which was lame. And now they are trying to sell a 300 dollar paint set...which no one will get because it's pointless.

And all while everyone has been waiting for

a) new models (Like half the Nid codex)
b) New rules (like Necrons/SoB)

You know, stuff that matters.

Oh you would be surprised how many times I needed off yellow, pink and orange for my silver necrons and there is a good saying, "never leave home without 18 different foundation colors". I think the older you get, the truer it becomes.

29th sounds right and ties in with the one week preorder madness. Time seems to have slowed down for me. I'm going to have to find something else to do to take my mind of it. Argh!

ouch, stormlord seems kind of nasty especially with that lightning strike madness each turn.

I can see some messed up group fights when necron + dark eldar with night shields...

I fear for my gunline IG now. May have to start getting some search light bits and incorporate suicide scout sentinels

Also instant death possibilities for a paladin based army can really suck. They trying to kill off all my solo'dins! Not to mention kind of anti-MSU there too.

Slayersan wrote:I could be wrong I dont use multi wound models much, but it was commented that in wraiths vr TH termys that the .9 wound the termys would do to the wraiths would result in loss of 2 wounds making them lose combat and take no retreat wounds. Since wraiths are multiwound does that 1 wound that instant deaths actually count as 2 wounds for losing combat? I thought it only counted as 1 wound for combat resolution purposes? If it does count as 2 wounds then sadly my wraiths fighting TH would be a bad idea.

if a model is insta-gibbed by one attack but has multiple wounds, combat resolution is counted as having lost "all" the wounds that were still present on the model (meaning, a 3 wound model with 1 left and is "instant deathed" would not count as losing 3 wounds). This is why scarabs suck against Str 6+ melee characters because 1 wound = 3 wounds for combat resolution.

Nagashek wrote:
See, "Worthy" would make sense. No sense wasting your skills against peons. But "Honorable?" I thought you guys were trying to assure me that the "honorable warrior" was just a special character...?

The Praetorians were the Necrons responsible for keeping the hierarchy and traditions of the empire alive and well. They are the epitome of 'honorable' warriors according to the fluff.

As I mentioned before, since the reawakening they are trying to re-unify the empire by traveling from Tomb World to Tomb World trying to get Overlords to pledge their willingness to rejoin a new Necron empire and the Praetorians stay on to help ensure that the Tomb World is proceeding properly under this goal.

But being extremely honorable, the Praetorians do look for other opponents worthy of being treated honorable and when they find them, they'll sometimes even order an Overlord to give those enemies the benefit of being treated honorably in combat. The fluff then says that most Overlords don't like it, but they'll often follow the orders simply because the Praetorians are a useful enough force that they don't want to piss them off into leaving and no longer fighting with the Tomb World.


So yes, in general most Necron Overlords believe that all aliens aren't worthy of being treated with honor. It is only the Praetorians (and one crazy special character) that are noted as behaving otherwise.

Yakface, anyone really, can the stormlord's lightning strikes happen in the first turn of the game under his forcing night fighting or does it only happen on turn 2 and later?

I'll have only one comment, that some of ya might recognize : "Remember remember the 5th of november..."

If you start talking in sentences full of words starting only in V, i'm backing up.

Awesome movie, and an awesome holiday before that

So any psychic defense or are the metal ones again affected by horrors and psychic-ness

l0k1 wrote:Yakface, anyone really, can the stormlord's lightning strikes happen in the first turn of the game under his forcing night fighting or does it only happen on turn 2 and later?

Any turn the night fighting rules are in effect the Stormlord's lightning strikes occur during Necron Shooting phases. The only exception to this is when the Night Fighting is created by Solar Pulses.

yakface wrote:

Nagashek wrote:
See, "Worthy" would make sense. No sense wasting your skills against peons. But "Honorable?" I thought you guys were trying to assure me that the "honorable warrior" was just a special character...?

The Praetorians were the Necrons responsible for keeping the hierarchy and traditions of the empire alive and well. They are the epitome of 'honorable' warriors according to the fluff.

As I mentioned before, since the reawakening they are trying to re-unify the empire by traveling from Tomb World to Tomb World trying to get Overlords to pledge their willingness to rejoin a new Necron empire and the Praetorians stay on to help ensure that the Tomb World is proceeding properly under this goal.

But being extremely honorable, the Praetorians do look for other opponents worthy of being treated honorable and when they find them, they'll sometimes even order an Overlord to give those enemies the benefit of being treated honorably in combat. The fluff then says that most Overlords don't like it, but they'll often follow the orders simply because the Praetorians are a useful enough force that they don't want to piss them off into leaving and no longer fighting with the Tomb World.


So yes, in general most Necron Overlords believe that all aliens aren't worthy of being treated with honor. It is only the Praetorians (and one crazy special character) that are noted as behaving otherwise.

So are the Praetorians specifically minions of Mr. Honor Pants, or just sufficiently independant subjects that happen to think like him in terms of enemy treatment and a remaining sence of mercy? And in terms of Honor, what do we mean here? They waive off their companions in order to fight mano y mano with worthy warriors? They offer surrenders and honor ceasefires? They take POW's? I mean, we do lack an army of Klingons in the grim darkness of the far future, but it seems strange to find them in the Necrons...