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I think PV overstates his preference but the OP:IceStorm minis are very very nice. There, that's as close to agreement with PV that I am willing to make.

Are they worth only £20? I would suggest they are worth allot more than that.

The rest of the IceStorm contents not so much. A limited rulebook is fine for literal beginners but leaves allot to be desired by an experienced gamer. Free download, fine but it would leave be disappointed as I thought I would've bought the whole book for that price!

Card terrain, nice design but a bit flimsy.

Anyway this is all irrelevant as on current GW form for starter boxes I am expecting a good sized box packed to the gunnels with new plastic models that I will like quite a bit and find good value for money. I'm more concerned by the rules than the models to be honest.

If you want to discuss Infinity please use the section that Dakka has most generously provided.

I'm sure nobody would mind you running a comparison thread there.



This is for the upcoming train wreck Age of Sigmar so could we get back to it? I actually thought we had some news then.

Wonderwolf wrote:
If Infinity is so great at miniatures, it shouldn't be a big problem for them to put some 25 to 30 or so multi-part plastic miniatures into a 65 - 75 quid starter set, including some dreadnought-sized guys (TAGs), as well as maybe a deadzone style rubber mat, some hard plastic terrain and a 40K-style complete mini-rulebook of N3.

If you don't need that many minis for the game, just put in 4 or 5 factions.

It's not rocket science people ask of Corvus Belli. The above would put them roughly into the mid-field of "normal" starter sets of the kind you get for DZC, 40K, etc.., etc.. , and from there they could let their quality speak for themselves.

Why would they wan't to do that? Why would anyone that likes CB's miniatures wan't that, even?

Metal is a vastly superior medium to plastic and multi-part plastic miniatures are soulless abominations that suck all the dynamism away from a sculpt.

And they do let their quality speak for themselves, that is why CB is growing by double digits every year while GW is shrinking.

I strongly disagree that infnity minis are of a higher quality than GW ones. While i agree that most of the.minis in icestorm are stunning, the commissar cultist champion is imo, one of the coolest mini ever made. But, its a sterile discussion, since its mostly subjective.

But objectively, comparing infinity growth to GW stagnation (or even shrinking) is futile, since their respective share of the market are world aparts.

PhantomViper wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I don't think that it is debatable that that what you get in operation icestorm for the price is pretty bad.

This thing is pretty much the same price as Dark vengeance, yet you get a lot less minis. And I don't think that the quality is any better either

The quality of Infinity miniatures is miles ahead of anything produced by GW.

Yeah, no way. Might be equal though. Obviously you could prefer true scale to heroic, but quality-wise GW is at or near the top. Have you seen the latest plastic sculpts, like the Skitarii? Detail level has come a loooong way and I'm not convinced metal has that much of an advantage anymore.


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PhantomViper wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:
If Infinity is so great at miniatures, it shouldn't be a big problem for them to put some 25 to 30 or so multi-part plastic miniatures into a 65 - 75 quid starter set, including some dreadnought-sized guys (TAGs), as well as maybe a deadzone style rubber mat, some hard plastic terrain and a 40K-style complete mini-rulebook of N3.

If you don't need that many minis for the game, just put in 4 or 5 factions.

It's not rocket science people ask of Corvus Belli. The above would put them roughly into the mid-field of "normal" starter sets of the kind you get for DZC, 40K, etc.., etc.. , and from there they could let their quality speak for themselves.

Why would they wan't to do that? Why would anyone that likes CB's miniatures wan't that, even?

Metal is a vastly superior medium to plastic and multi-part plastic miniatures are soulless abominations that suck all the dynamism away from a sculpt.

And they do let their quality speak for themselves, that is why CB is growing by double digits every year while GW is shrinking.

CB are able to grow that much because they are a tiny company. How much are they growing in actual revenue? Won't even comment on the multi-part thing.

Seriously, guys, if it's not related to Age of Sigmar, please take it elsewhere. There are PLENTY of places on this site to discuss these things, and THIS space is for news and rumors related to Age of Sigmar.

Shouldn't we be seeing White Dwarf pics today or tomorrow?

I have £80 tucked away for AoS, I'm guessing it will be around £70 :-)

SERIOUSLY - AND AGAIN - ON TOPIC PLEASE!

Thanks!

 mikhaila wrote:

 Commissar-Danno wrote:
word on the price of Age of Sigmar?

I heard 70 lb, 110 dollars. And that is 3rd hand info from friend friend of...someone in UK unknown to me. In line with other GW sets, but IMHO, still high for a 'Starter'.

So $110 for a starter--how much for the rules themselves?

With pre-release on the 4th and actual arrival in stores on the week after we're probably a week or more away from any more solid info

sadly

Wonderwolf wrote:

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 ImAGeek wrote:


Painted miniatures isn't necessarily a good thing for everyone in this hobby. And while there aren't many minis in Operation: Icestorm, the quality of them is amazing, and you hardly need anymore for a proper sized force.

Painted minis might not be what you're looking for, but it's a cost I can see going into a box. As is a Star Wars license. Don't want it? Fair enough. But I can see the cost.

14 metal minis, mono-pose with no options don't justify more than 20 quid max. Whatever the game rules may or may not be. Just like you might not care about pre-paints, not everyone might care about the rules. What if I want to use them to proxy a 40K Apoc game? What if I am only a painter? Etc..

Mini-for-mini-for-quality, Operation Icestorm is far, far, far and away the worst "deal" on the starter-set market.

You say that FFG pre-paint. The Imperial Assault minis aren't pre-painted, either.

You complain Infinity being mono-pose... Erm, Have you seen any of the FFG stuff? Not exactly multipart multipose.

Why would you buy a STARTER set if you had no intention of starting the game? Of course, you have no intention. You just have sand in your crack about CB for some reason

FFG aren't all that. X-Wing requires you to buy two starter sets, then the same ship model numerous times just to get different pilot cards

Anyways, back On Topic -

I'm still a bit MEH about AoS. FFG know how to pormote a game, and CB were teasing O:I months in advance.

edits - a few.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

 Commissar-Danno wrote:
word on the price of Age of Sigmar?

I heard 70 lb, 110 dollars. And that is 3rd hand info from friend friend of...someone in UK unknown to me. In line with other GW sets, but IMHO, still high for a 'Starter'.

So $110 for a starter--how much for the rules themselves?

When I mentioned it someone suggested it is probably the novel, which I (sadly) inclined to agree with, but something is apparently going to cost £25.

If it were a standalone rulebook, even small format, soft cover, I'd be delighted.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

 Commissar-Danno wrote:
word on the price of Age of Sigmar?

I heard 70 lb, 110 dollars. And that is 3rd hand info from friend friend of...someone in UK unknown to me. In line with other GW sets, but IMHO, still high for a 'Starter'.

So $110 for a starter--how much for the rules themselves?

I was wondering this too... Is the rulebook not going to be sold separately? Or is it all in one bundle: rulebook, minis and whatever else comes in the starter?

HobbyBox wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

 Commissar-Danno wrote:
word on the price of Age of Sigmar?

I heard 70 lb, 110 dollars. And that is 3rd hand info from friend friend of...someone in UK unknown to me. In line with other GW sets, but IMHO, still high for a 'Starter'.

So $110 for a starter--how much for the rules themselves?

I was wondering this too... Is the rulebook not going to be sold separately? Or is it all in one bundle: rulebook, minis and whatever else comes in the starter?

Well if it's a proper starter for the new edition it'll probably have a mini format rulebook in the box.

It's not a "starter" set if there are no rules in it...

I have serious doubts that there will be any significant pressure to re-base existing armies onto round bases. If you look at the current space marine lineup it shows that GW is taking their sweet time to switch from 25mm to 32mm rounds on PA troops. From this information it isn't unreasonable to assume that only new fantasy kits will include round bases. On top of this GW doesn't want to discourage buying old kits (though they often seem to screw this up) they want to sell more with AoS.

Using 40K as a guide, because they have often been comparable:

Hardcover Rules (3 books) $85
Starter Set $110

and prepare yourself for $58 160 page Army Books

Will there be army books? We don't even know if there will be factions.

A starter released before the rules will be a departure from GW's usual process of releasing the rules and then following up with a starter box (containing a mini-rulebook) a few months later.

 agnosto wrote:
A starter released before the rules will be a departure from GW's usual process of releasing the rules and then following up with a starter box (containing a mini-rulebook) a few months later.

Only recently though, I'm pretty sure Skull Pass came out before 7th ed Fantasy main rule book. Could be wrong but that's how I remember it.

With 40K's 7th edition release there was a lot of negativity about the rulebook only being available in $85 hardcover format at release.

Perhaps releasing the AOS starter first is an attempt to avoid a similar reaction ?

I'm psyked I made a new Age of Sigmund sig and everything!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm psyked I made a new Age of Sigmund sig and everything!

Which is quickly becoming something I look forward to with each release. Perhaps a new Green Marines one as well?

Perhaps they should get their own thread, considering the constant requests for people to stay on topic in this thread?

 Bottle wrote:
It's not a "starter" set if there are no rules in it...

They've done starters with incomplete rules before, like the Hobbit without the points costs. So there's no guarantee that it'll be a full set of rules.


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 agnosto wrote:
A starter released before the rules will be a departure from GW's usual process of releasing the rules and then following up with a starter box (containing a mini-rulebook) a few months later.

I'm assuming it's because it'll be hard (or at least undesirable) to play the new game without the new mini's. They brought out the LOTR starter before the rules, for instance.

Remember this isn't being regarded as a 9th Ed Warhammer Fantasy, it's a 1st ed of a completely new game.

Herzlos wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
It's not a "starter" set if there are no rules in it...

They've done starters with incomplete rules before, like the Hobbit without the points costs. So there's no guarantee that it'll be a full set of rules.

Haven't reliable rumor mongers already stated that the AoS rules are going to be extremely minimalist and not a full mini rulebook?

I'm not so worried about my Wood Elves, who are skirmishy. I'm not so worried about my warriors, who are an elite army.

I fear for my undead, who I fear will be left in a weird spot without a horde of minis to back them up.

 Thunderfrog wrote:

I'm not so worried about my Wood Elves, who are skirmishy. I'm not so worried about my warriors, who are an elite army.

I fear for my undead, who I fear will be left in a weird spot without a horde of minis to back them up.

Undead used to function fine without hordes. I suspect they'll adjust for it and I'm expecting people will still be fielding units of 20 for things like zombies, goblins, skaven clanrats etc. Mark my words, 20 will be the new horde

 Flashman wrote:

Undead used to function fine without hordes. I suspect they'll adjust for it and I'm expecting people will still be fielding units of 20 for things like zombies, goblins, skaven clanrats etc. Mark my words, 20 will be the new horde

If so, that is music to my ears!