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I've really been itching for an all nurgle army, with typhus of course, but was wondering with would be a better bodyguard unit for him. My plan is to stick him in a Land Raider, but who else do I throw in there?

Possesed w/ MoN are S5 T5 A2 w/ a 5+ invuln save, 10 of them w/ MoN comes out to be 31 pts a model only one more than a regular Termi

Termis w/ MoN are T5 A2/3 with a 2+/5+, yet if they are in a land raider with Typhus than there are only 4 of them each being 40 pts.

Which do you think would work better?

I prefer Termies. A large squad with IoCG is hardly stoppable.
Possessed are a bit unpredictable and their 3+ save really make a difference.

Can you give us your list so we can see what you need?

but without a list i would say that my personal preference is possesed ^^

Possesed are extremly situational and deathly dependant on your roll, for more points then the terminators. Terminators can usually be good in almost any army whilst possesed is one of the junk units in the CSM book. (Altho the models looks awsome)

Possessed would be my choice. Not because they are superior in combat to Terminators but because they are Fearless. If you put Typhus in a non-fearless unit he may end up running off the board with them.

There are plenty of units, powers, and situations in the game that can reduce your leadership to just about nothing. Even the Icon of Chaos Glory won't save you then. Besides, it isn't an all Nurgle army if your terminators don't have an Icon of Nurgle.

I prefer Possessed, as they can get a Rhino, which is a superior expenditure in my mind to the land raider.

40kenthusiast wrote:I prefer Possessed, as they can get a Rhino, which is a superior expenditure in my mind to the land raider.

It would be kind of hard to get Typhus (in his termie armor) to squeeze into a Rhino.

Besides, Landraiders are dead hard these days. If you possess a landraider it is well nigh impossible to stop it from delivering it's payload.

I might pick Terminators with MoN, just because they are consistent. Possessed are really nifty, but not always having power weapons or rending hurts a lot. Plus, if you roll for Fleet or Scout, the ability is wasted unless you pop them out of the landraider and away from Typhus. Terminators will always have power weapons, and you can always put fists, claws, chainfists and combi weapons on them for a little more variety or function.

If your going to take Typhus in a Land Raider then you should take 4 terminators with MON,this will insure Typhus is attached to a Fearless,FNP unit.
As far as possessed,I personaly avoid them like the plague.

Democratus wrote:

40kenthusiast wrote:I prefer Possessed, as they can get a Rhino, which is a superior expenditure in my mind to the land raider.

It would be kind of hard to get Typhus (in his termie armor) to squeeze into a Rhino.

I phrased that wrong. What I meant is that buying possessed lets you buy a rhino, as opposed to a second Land Raider for the terminators. I understood the original question to mean that this unit is rolling in a HS Land Raider with Typhus. I think another rhino scooting around shooting twin linked bolters is worthwhile on its own, whatever the Death Star gets up to.

FITZZ wrote: If your going to take Typhus in a Land Raider then you should take 4 terminators with MON,this will insure Typhus is attached to a Fearless,FNP unit.
As far as possessed,I personaly avoid them like the plague.

nurgle terminators are neither fearless nor have FNP.

regardless,

terminators are better than possessed. they are harder to kill, easier to use and give you buch better point for point killing than possessed.

lack of fearlessness isnt an issue as much if they are driving around in a landraider, and they will kill enough in combat that it shouldnt matter their either.

dont take possessed. as great as the models are, their rules suck so much it beggars belief.

Terminators can't have the MoN, they can only get the Icon of Nurgle which doesn't grant FNP to the unit just a plus one to their toughness.




Got beaten to the punch again!

Page 81 CSM codex..." Icon of Nurgle: All models in the unit,except independent characters joining the unit,have the mark of Nurgle'

Fitzz: MoN is only +1 Toughness. FNP and Fearless are granted to plague marines in their unit entry, not from the mark of nurgle.

Meph

Well %*&$, I definitly humped a bunk on that, apperently I have been mistaken for some time now as I had always assumed MON granted not only + 1 toughness but FNP and fearless as well as it does for plague marines.

Still,I belive termies are his best choice.

The termies are more tactical but the possessed Marines are much more hard core in close combat. I use the legs from the possessed for all my Chaos Marines now since it makes them the same size or even taller than a terminator.

I also use the possessed champion as the vessel to summons my greater daemon.

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:The termies are more tactical but the possessed Marines are much more hard core in close combat. I use the legs from the possessed for all my Chaos Marines now since it makes them the same size or even taller than a terminator.

I also use the possessed champion as the vessel to summons my greater daemon.

G

the difference is S5 with a 3+ vs S4 powerweapons/fists/LCs with a 2+. powerweapons come out on top against all things except wraithlords, for which you can have powerfists.

+36pts is an awful lot to pay for a sacrificial champion. couldnt you just have a CSM champion instead?

There is a good chance you will get either rending or power weapons with the possessed. Flight is also a good one as well.

G

36pts is pretty cheap for a sacrificial Champion, 4 points cheaper than a Terminator Champion, and since the unit is Fearless you don't have to worry about losing the model when it is possessed. Remember that an Aspiring Champion will be more expensive and is a waste as possession fodder since he can provide useful wargear options to his unit.

I'd recommend the Possessed because you can fit more in a Land Raider, and they come out cheaper and less vulnerable to Power Weapons and AP2 once you give the Terminators the equipment to hit hard.

But don't treat them like Terminators, since that's what Terminators are for! Use them to establish a beachhead in your opponent's side of the board from which you can summon a Greater Daemon and some packs of Lesser Daemons.

You can always combine the two in one army, using the Possessed to put the Icon of Nurgle where you want your Terminators to land if/when they teleport.

i prefer possessd since they just look cool and seem terrifying rampaging out of a landraider

Good strategies there.

G

I'm surprised to see that most posters favor Possessed.

Well, Possessed will never enter one of my tournament lists.
They are Marines with an invunerable save and a special ability that may or may not be useful at the battle field.

Termies are much better in a battle of attrition, and they form a shock & awe unit able to clear or contest objective,
while Possessed (almost) die like normal Marines.

wuestenfux wrote:I'm surprised to see that most posters favor Possessed.

Well, Possessed will never enter one of my tournament lists.
They are Marines with an invunerable save and a special ability that may or may not be useful at the battle field.

You forgot that they are also S +1 regardless of the roll, making them quite effective at wounding enemy troops (MEQ on a 3+, GEQ on a 2+).

Termies are much better in a battle of attrition, and they form a shock & awe unit able to clear or contest objective,
while Possessed (almost) die like normal Marines.

Termies are no better against power fists/power weapons than Possesed. And they can be forced to run away.

Truthfully, neither Terminators or Possessed belong in a competitive Tournament list. There are troops choices which do both of their jobs better.

+1 S is a bit worse than power weapons to my mind.
I'd go with terminators. Possessed are too unpredictable.

Also, after playing with Typhus a lot, I'd be leery about including him. A MoN daemon prince is a safer investment. Typhus is distressingly easy to kill for a 225 point model.

Green Blow Fly wrote:There is a good chance you will get either rending or power weapons with the possessed. Flight is also a good one as well.

G

theres is only a 1 in 6 chance that they will get either of those (not what id call good). if theyre in a landraider flight, fleet and scouts all become useless. so you have a S5 marine for 26pts. their random abilites means that you cant use hem as shock troops, because they may end up being useless. put terminators in a landraider, they will do better.

Democratus wrote:

Termies are no better against power fists/power weapons than Possesed. And they can be forced to run away.

Truthfully, neither Terminators or Possessed belong in a competitive Tournament list. There are troops choices which do both of their jobs better.

in a landraider you cant force morale checks and they should kill anything in combat with typhus. morale therefore isnt really an issue.

as for powerweapons/fists, there are a lot fewer of those than there are small arms and lots of attacks, which terminators will do better against. for almost the same cost, terminators the the no-brainer.

One out of six combats Tyhpus does nothing but cut his own head off. If you are in a Land Raider and unconcerned about Morale Checks then you are also unconcerened about small arms.

Once in combat, either your opponent is incompetent or he will throw the appropriate weapons to dispose of your unit. For terminators this is AP 1/2 weapons and power weapons- against which terminators are no better than possessed.

However, once outside of the Rhino all of these will be a problem. I will freely concede, though, that if you seldom encounter units that reduce LD or force break checks (Assassins, C'tan, psychic powers, etc) then Terminators won't suffer for it and they will perform better than Possessed.

If you want a fearless unit to go with Typhus actually, I'd suggest bog standard plague marines. They're tough as hell and he adds some nasty close combat punch to them. Think of them as a Super Rhino Squad with more assault capability.
They can also bring in GD and LD offa icons, and their icons are cheaper too. And of course, Typhus has his icon.

Typhus with termies with MON in land raider plus if you have epideimus in your army and you kill 20+ guys in a round they wound on 2+ and all their attacks are power... so is rest of nurgle shtuff btw

I'm thinking about doing the same thing but what weapons should i give the 4 termies with him ik i want them to be close combat obviously, but what should i give them, they don't have to all be the same either.

I'd appreciate any suggestions

Terminators are far better than possessed.

Da Boss wrote:If you want a fearless unit to go with Typhus actually, I'd suggest bog standard plague marines.

This.

PM are both fluffy and effective when paired with Typhus. They will never run away and can take a heck of a lot of punishment (being better against small arms than Terminators).