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2022/11/10 18:29:58
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
I think that's one thing I really like about Below Decks. Once they got past the slightly "machine gun pun" first season and settled a bit, you could really tell that the writers know their Trek. There are loads of little bits sneaked in all over the place that just make you pause and remember bits from earlier shows.
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2022/11/20 00:05:35
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
I started Prodigy today and getting to a certain episode it feels a bit... dark.
The main lad does the Kobayashi Maru and gets Spock, Uhura, Odo, and Bev Crusher as his command crew. The show used archive audio for all but one and it feels very very weird. Like with Lower Decks, they have legacy characters whose actors are alive but for this, it just feels grim. I know there's the Spock inspiration bit but it still feels off.
2022/11/20 01:33:39
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
I'm going through the latest season of Lower Decks now and really enjoying it. The thing about that show is it finds the perfect balance between poking fun at Trek and paying homage to it. That's a lot easier said than done.
2022/11/24 23:55:14
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Especially when they aren't afraid to bring in the Original Series stuff, which is honestly really hard to include considering how different it was to almost all the Trek that followed.
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2022/11/25 00:05:50
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Overread wrote: Especially when they aren't afraid to bring in the Original Series stuff, which is honestly really hard to include considering how different it was to almost all the Trek that followed.
And the new stuff too. When Boehmler ends up on The Titan he has accidently moved onto a JJ Abrams/Discovery type ship. I joined Starfleet to explore new worlds and meet new civilizations! I don't constantly want to be in battles and firefights with explosions! Seems like fun at first but then it just becomes exhausting...
2022/12/20 03:58:44
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
The Enterprise fly-by is the most epic shot in Star Trek ever! Its one of those moments in a sci-fi movie that you wish you could experience for real, along with getting a job running a power loader with Ripley as your manager.
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2022/12/20 18:46:09
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
AduroT wrote: I don’t think I want Ripley as my manager. A lot of people on her crews tend to die.
In fairness that's mostly because they don't listen to her until its too late!
If she'd had her way Alien 1 would have been fully contained!
Alien 2 they'd have nuked the site from orbit
Alien 3 ok in fairness this group listened pretty fast once the ball got rolling; they just were hampered by not having any real resources, expertise and at least one being totally unhinged.
Alien 4 - they actually listened to her for the most part and a decent number made it out alive.
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2023/01/11 19:52:31
Subject: Re:Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Mrs. GG and I have been slowly working our way through all of Voyager, part way through Season 5 right now… it is surprising just how much better the writing has gotten. From the beginning of Season 4 it really has improved dramatically. Not perfect but pretty good. They must be on a skeleton crew with so many lost and very few replacements recruited. I think the show missed a trick there by not recruiting more “lower decks” Delta Quadrant personnel. And show some more promotions. Poor permanently Ensign Kim.
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2023/01/12 23:50:23
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Yes, what they should have done is keep picking up a hodgepodge of Delta Quadrant randos and the crew kept becoming more and more eccentric and diverse. Despite the amount of casualties I don't think they ever bring up the attrition problem. It's like the writers forgot they're not in the Alpha Quadrant and being recrewed all the time.
I read on Memory Beta or somewhere that is you count all the different extras you see they actually exceed the original stated crew of 150.
2023/01/30 15:20:54
Subject: Re:Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2023/01/30 16:34:31
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Will check YouTube, as may simply be a regional issue.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Found it, looks good. But I’ve seen that supposed villain somewhere before.
Sorry for the rubbish picture, but it’s the best I could find of Perry. Plus the one I initially shared featured a…uh…Gentleman’s Periodical, which won’t do for Dakka.
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2023/01/30 16:43:09
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Yeah can't see it either, but easy to find others on youtube. Looking action packed and I kind of hope it doesn't get off to as slow a start as the other two seasons. I don't mind slow starts and the first season needed its slow build to establish all the decades of changes between TNG and Picard.
I also think that if they can speed up the setup we might at last get a Picard that doesn't feel like they have to end it 1-2 episodes early and thus do a bit of a rush job of it. I'm happy to swap a slow start for a more modest paced finish (that does't mean no action or slow events just a slower escalation and a bit more focus on the after-effects of events)
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2023/01/30 17:44:44
Subject: Re:Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
I hated season 1 of Picard and still have not seen season 2. The trailers do not make me think I would like season 3… but I am prepared to be proven wrong. Shallow attempts at edgy action, dark lit bridges and far too many explosions… did Michael Bay take over as show runner?
The season finale cliff hanger of season 4 of Voyager and opening episode of season 5 was also something I did not like. A vengeful, irrational Janeway that acted in a very inappropriate manner for a Starfleet Captain. The following episode about the runaway three linked Borg drones was much better, much more a Star Trek I recognized.
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2023/01/30 17:59:51
Subject: Re:Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2023/01/30 22:56:18
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
AduroT wrote: I’ll watch it, but I’m in no way hype for it.
My feelings as well.
Anyway, got around to finishing Star Trek Prodigy. Season 1 of which was split in half and had a big break in between the two halves. I really did not like the first half at all. It was clear it was just for young kids. It will never really have any important storylines that will like.... almost destroy Starfleet or anything like that. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just not the target audience.
Boy, they changed things up in the second half. It got way darker and more serious and had a major plotline involving saving the galaxy that actually makes more sense than a lot of STD's storylines saving the galaxy all the time. Not sure who this show is for either. Of their two animated shows Prodigy ended being the more serious, less fun one but I think that's the one that's supposed to be light hearted fair for kids?
2023/01/30 23:45:36
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
These days? Watership Down set a pretty heavy tone decades ago. Animals of Farthing Wood too if you want a regular serial release of animations.
That said I know what you mean and I think in part its because these shows start under the flag of being for kids even though the target audience might end up being adults who were fans of the original years back. It's also likely an easy thing to creep into without that intention as the creators might well be the same, adult fans who grew up with it; and thus taking it into more serious tones.
Part of it might just be that a lot of western producers/executives/suits/mangers tend to keep viewing cartoon as "for kids"
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2023/01/31 00:22:34
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
As a big fan of Robert Meyer Burnett, I tend to take what he says about Star Trek seriously.
He generally hates all new Star Trek, from the JJ films, to Discovery, and he even has disdain for Strange New Worlds. He did not like Picard season 1. He hated Picard season 2.
He's seen season 3, and he says it's fantastic.
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I think what season 3 is going to do that seasons 1 and 2 didn't is reunite a lot of the old bridge crew so that its not just Picard or Picard and one or two others.
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2023/01/31 00:27:31
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
H.B.M.C. wrote: As a big fan of Robert Meyer Burnett, I tend to take what he says about Star Trek seriously.
He generally hates all new Star Trek, from the JJ films, to Discovery, and he even has disdain for Strange New Worlds. He did not like Picard season 1. He hated Picard season 2.
He's seen season 3, and he says it's fantastic.
I assume it’s even better to watch in his new house.