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Right now, kitted for volume of fire, a Redemptor is about 202pts... which isn't horrid in the land of AC Razorbacks.

That said, Dreads also benefit from Chapter Tactics, which has some inherent value too, in a few cases.

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Right now, kitted for volume of fire, a Redemptor is about 202pts... which isn't horrid in the land of AC Razorbacks.

That said, Dreads also benefit from Chapter Tactics, which has some inherent value too, in a few cases.


It's kinda a monobuild with a very specific role: +1 point to go from 12 S5 -1 1 damage shots to D6 with less than a third of the range makes no sense, and the plasma cannon is horrendously unreliable due to having D6 shots - Indeed, it's basically a choice in main gun between four heavy bolters or one and a half plasma cannons.

So is it good at anti-horde work? It's passable, but not really amazing compared to existing anti-horde dreads and the low for a big dread BS suggesting you should try to stand still directly contradicts having to pay to have a power first you can't swap out.

If you gave it power of the machine spirit it would immediately come into it's own in it's single role, mind you. That would let it stay a mobile gun platform whilst selectively punching tanks apart.
   
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Are legion of the damned and the hq command tanks in the new dex or will I have to use my index

 
   
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So has anyone heard any comments in reviews about existing special characters being turned into Primaris marines?

Also, are special characters allowed to customize via relics if chosen as the warlord? I'm curious if the base rules specifically disallow any changes on them in 8th edition now that relics are purchased apparently with command points.

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No relics on special characters, sorry Pedro.
   
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Are legion of the damned and the hq command tanks in the new dex or will I have to use my index
They are not, per the FAQ. Keep your Index.

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Any Dread HQ or still using BA ind x?

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 warboss wrote:
So has anyone heard any comments in reviews about existing special characters being turned into Primaris marines?

Also, are special characters allowed to customize via relics if chosen as the warlord? I'm curious if the base rules specifically disallow any changes on them in 8th edition now that relics are purchased apparently with command points.


It might happen at some point in the fluff, but right now it hasn't

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Are legion of the damned and the hq command tanks in the new dex or will I have to use my index
They are not, per the FAQ. Keep your Index.
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WinterSEO had a full review video up last night fellas, not sure if anyone posted it, I know I watched it and went to bed sorry, it was super late for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpvAr9DRmgQ


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Or they could, I don't know, kitbash a plasma pistol from the intercessods pack? That part of the hobby that everyone did with characters for 20 years. I can't say I'm surprised, just disappointed.

Yeah. I understand not giving rules for things the company does not manufacture at all, but not taking in account simple weapon swaps between existing kits when writing the rules it taking it way too far. What's next, tactical marines can only take the missile launcher as their heavy weapon as that's the only option in that specific kit?


Welcome to my world, it's been this case for 4 years with some of the other factions. DE in particular. You can't take gear from other boxes and put them on a character since the 5th ed book. Really stupid and IMO makes the primaris stuff terrible. I mean the redemptor is already in trouble IMO based on his cost and degrading profile, then you factor in he can take less options for long range and IMO I'd take the classic dread anyday, a normal marine dread with twin linked las canon will out shoot the redemtpor lol. He has two options for main gun and neither are very good outside shooting hordes. His CC fist also only ends up averaging 0.5 more damage then a standard dread, sure he can hit for 6, he can also hit for 1 though.

I am actually glad that there is reason to take the old school guys, there would be no reason to had they just made every primaris unit flat out better.


It's worth noting that the Redemptor is the only degrading profile dread that lacks 2+ skill stats and an invulnerable save. If you take the lightest degrading dread as an example: A Contemptor starts at 2+, after it's first degradation drops to the skill and movement of a regular dread, and even at 1-2 wounds left a normal dread would be dead by that point, and it still has an invulnerable for those last two wounds.

Meanwhile a Redemptor has 5 bonus wounds, but degrades all the way down to 5+ skills and has no invulnerable save.


Pretty much the same with every primaris unit. Marines already have units that do the same job in a more effective manner.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Are legion of the damned and the hq command tanks in the new dex or will I have to use my index
They are not, per the FAQ. Keep your Index.
What FAQ?


The one about the codices on the community page.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/codexes-your-questions-answered-july-5gw-homepage-post-2/

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I think we'll see a toned down version of what's in the codex for the FW chapters.

Like they'll have their Special Characters, a Chapter Tactic, a Warlord Trait, and a Strategem, and that's it. I don't they'll be given relics.

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Kharne, agreed.

For the moment, are we just supposed to use better judgement for them as successors, or do we get none?


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 Kharne the Befriender wrote:
I think we'll see a toned down version of what's in the codex for the FW chapters.

Like they'll have their Special Characters, a Chapter Tactic, a Warlord Trait, and a Strategem, and that's it. I don't they'll be given relics.


I dunno, relics are easy eneugh to do. for example for Carcaradons just take the axe the iron hands get, call it something else, and maybe shift some stats around slightly.

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Umm... isn't that completely new in all but the most basic concept?

I mean, I'm not saying I'd be disappointed if FW did the full treatment, but saying "take a weapon, change its name and rules" is basically saying "make a new weapon."


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Any Dread HQ or still using BA ind x?


The non-BA HQ Dreads still come from the FW Index.

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Kharne, agreed.

For the moment, are we just supposed to use better judgement for them as successors, or do we get none?


Well, I'm sure it'll come out eventually. But I'm using Ravenguard tactics for them in the mean time, it just fits better.

What would be really cool for the Carcharodons would be to charge after advancing, that would be fluffy

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 warboss wrote:
So has anyone heard any comments in reviews about existing special characters being turned into Primaris marines?

Also, are special characters allowed to customize via relics if chosen as the warlord? I'm curious if the base rules specifically disallow any changes on them in 8th edition now that relics are purchased apparently with command points.


It might happen at some point in the fluff, but right now it hasn't

Special characters cannot take relics, they already have their own unique relics in built essentially


MasterSlowPoke wrote:No relics on special characters, sorry Pedro.


Good (regarding relics and specials). I was worried that it might have slipped through the cracks with the much touted 12 pages of rules or somesuch and the new format for units. I am surprised though that they didn't do a test special character primaricized to guage the reaction to it in the vanilla codex. The specialty marine books would seem like a less likely place to do so.

Also, I'm surprised that the lack of options for characters and the removal of previously legal combos isn't getting the attention I think it deserves. From the previews I've watched, stuff that even had models like Marneus in power armor is gone (sorry, maybe you can use him as a generic gravis captain instead!) is gone as is stuff that previously was converted like specialty characters on bikes (the Librarian was the example given in one video). Basically, some options that GW doesn't specifically include in the same kit are gone (or in the Primaris cases, never will exist). That's a downgrade to the 40k play experience IMO. Customizing characters to match your force's fluff was part of the fun for me at least.

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Wait, is the no-customizing your units/hq's fear mongering or actually confirmed? For the first time Im feeling like all my years in the hobby spent lovingly converting has been a wash. I can't add flavor to my force if it doesnt come in a kit together? Are you serious?

   
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Can't you just use the Index entries for things not included in the Codex because they don't make the models any more? Like how in AoS, you can still use the compendium warscrolls if you want. I'd imagine that stuff like Chapter Tactics, Stratagems, etc. will be tied to keywords, so a Librarian on Bike would still function the same whether taken from the Index or the Codex.
   
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Can't you just use the Index entries for things not included in the Codex because they don't make the models any more? Like how in AoS, you can still use the compendium warscrolls if you want. I'd imagine that stuff like Chapter Tactics, Stratagems, etc. will be tied to keywords, so a Librarian on Bike would still function the same whether taken from the Index or the Codex.


this'll be the answer IMHO, we have the rules for libby's on bikes. but I'd certainly not be converting any new Libby's to ride bikes. I think at this moment the best thing we can do is provide eneugh feedback to GW so that maybe they'll feel pressured to put out a libby on a bike. what I'd like to see is a "space marine commander on bike" kit. with the additional bits needed to make a bike mounted libby, chaplain or captain

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Non-Primaris Lieutenants confirmed! And here everyone was saying that regular Marines wouldn't get anything new.

I will definitely be making one of these to ride along with Pedro Kantor. This seems like as good of place as any to put a Power Fist that can be the Fist of Vengeance.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Non-Primaris Lieutenants confirmed! And here everyone was saying that regular Marines wouldn't get anything new.

I will definitely be making one of these to ride along with Pedro Kantor. This seems like as good of place as any to put a Power Fist that can be the Fist of Vengeance.


thats kinda awesome. good new use for a veterans box.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Non-Primaris Lieutenants confirmed! And here everyone was saying that regular Marines wouldn't get anything new.

I will definitely be making one of these to ride along with Pedro Kantor. This seems like as good of place as any to put a Power Fist that can be the Fist of Vengeance.


thats kinda awesome. good new use for a veterans box.

Yup. A Space Marine Commander kit might be a good option as well. I think I might make mine using Sternguard parts though.

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Thommy H wrote:
Can't you just use the Index entries for things not included in the Codex because they don't make the models any more? Like how in AoS, you can still use the compendium warscrolls if you want. I'd imagine that stuff like Chapter Tactics, Stratagems, etc. will be tied to keywords, so a Librarian on Bike would still function the same whether taken from the Index or the Codex.
As per the FAQ codex it says to use the Indexes for things not covered in the Codex, like the "30th Anniversary Space Marine, the Legion of the Damned and the Terminus Ultra Land Raider." https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/05/codexes-your-questions-answered-july-5gw-homepage-post-2/

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Pretty happy with the return of lower-tier commanders. Was 3rd core the last place where those levels were statted?

Either way, it gives me an excuse to play around with some nicer veterans over having like 4 generic captains, and I think they'll see a lot of action in smaller games.

A shame they don't get Storm Shields, though.


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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Pretty happy with the return of lower-tier commanders. Was 3rd core the last place where those levels were statted?

Either way, it gives me an excuse to play around with some nicer veterans over having like 4 generic captains, and I think they'll see a lot of action in smaller games.

A shame they don't get Storm Shields, though.
Yeah, the storm shield issue is a bummer, but they still should get the job done.

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