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BBC 10 o clock news making it clearer.

Johnson not on ventilator, transfer is precaution should he need ventilation. He is believed to be on oxygen supplementation, but is conscious.

Hopefully Johnson recovers quickly and can actually be convinced to take proper time to recuperate.

One silver lining to Johnson's predicament: media scrutiny is about to leap in quality because Raab has none of Johnson's Teflon qualifies and don't fit the British born ruler stereotype.

That said I think it be unity government time soon.

With unity you mean coalition.

What happens to Boris Johnson is a reminder the virus happens to all, no matter their importance, politics or human self delusions.

Still, he's the UK prime minister, he obviously has access to the finest medical treatments in his country. He'll be in good hands.

Wishes of recovery to all with Covid-19. Even to those who kept denying the virus dangerosity, spread misinformation with or without purpose and wish their opponents to be infected.

In the end, we're all humans and have to suffer this all together.

Sarouan wrote:
What happens to Boris Johnson is a reminder the virus happens to all, no matter their importance, politics or human self delusions.

Still, he's the UK prime minister, he obviously has access to the finest medical treatments in his country. He'll be in good hands.

Wishes of recovery to all with Covid-19. Even to those who kept denying the virus dangerosity, spread misinformation with or without purpose and wish their opponents to be infected.

In the end, we're all humans and have to suffer this all together.

True. In many ways, celebrities and politicians getting it is a good thing. Diseases and epidemics getting passed off as 'poor people's problems' have happened too frequently, and every high profile case means more money and resources devoted to research.

So my wife is being tested tomorrow. Obviously a worrisome and awful time- but there was one piece of advice they gave which I thought was kind of strange, and wondered if there was validity in it.

They advised that she try to stay quarantined from us- 2 kids and me. Now as I understand it, with this thing's transmission rate and already several weeks deep in quarantine, my gut reaction is that we've already been thoroughly exposed.

I'm certainly planning to stay away from everyone outside of the house until we know for sure, but is isolating an individual who you've already been in close contact with reasonable?

I've heard of folks doing that, but it's not how we approached it when I was tested (which was an easy call, since we all felt sick at the same time, with what we now know wasn't COVID-19).

There have been some cases where a spouse has it and the other tests negative. But in many households I would imagine that might be next to impossible lol

If you're lucky and if you distance fast enough then, in theory, you could self isolate in the same house and manage to keep separate and not infect others. Though you really would have to block off part of the house entirely. Separate washroom, bedroom, a barrier of some kind between the two areas. Food would be an issue - in theory the uninfected could prepare meals, leave them for the infected to collect and then the infected cleans the plates/dishes before they are collected and cleaned a second time. etc...

It could be done, but you'd likely need a larger property to achieve it (or sacrifice one floor). It's also very unlikely that most would maintain such measures long term without a slip-up here and there.

Plus with how infectious it is it would be rare for one person to go down with it without having already interacted with others in the household enough to have exposed them to significant risk.





At the very best it might potentially delay infection of the others in the household.

Marxist artist wrote:
Think that's a bit harsh, he followed his advisors

How is this any excuse? Not only he is the one responsible for the final decisions, he specifically picked Andrew Wakefield grade quack who told him what he wanted to say - while all actual experts were screaming how criminally stupid and irresponsible (to the tune of six digit deaths) this nonsense is. All so he could avoid disturbing interests of his buddies from top 1%.

I find it amazing how democracy is supposed to be run by informed voters yet someone who bears all responsibility no matter from what angle you look can escape it with trivial ease by waving a little scapegoat sockpuppet in front of him shouting "I was just following him". Yup, he had totally nothing to do with it at all and doesn't deserve any blame, eh?

 Ketara wrote:
Let alone a man who has a new child on the way

That would be sad if he didn't already have 5 or 7 kids he doesn't give one toss about, including at least two from affairs (where he denied fatherhood and had to be dragged to court to confirm it). Not counting multiple abortions he forced to escape responsibility. So, yeah, I can empathize with and feel sad for the child - because he or she will most likely be abandoned soon no matter what. Feeling sorry for abusive man who doesn't really deserve to be called father (and that's his own deeds, not my opinion) is kind of harder, don't you think?

Bojo has done nothing extreme enough to earn that sort of ire

Well, if we ignore the fact he was the pillar of the campaign that cost his nation untold billions and caused explosion of racism and xenophobia, sure. Though that would also require ignoring he was OK with Covid killing hundreds of thousands, that he was OK with ruining millions of lives of people who came to UK heeding the call to work and paid taxes for decades, people from both EU and beyond (see Windrush). People he is now trying to forcibly deport, often to countries which they didn't see for 50 or 60 years, where they are easy targets for robbery or murder. People who by the way are one of the major NHS pillars, without which it would have collapsed long time ago. Also ignoring he was one of the architects of austerity and NHS cuts, something that killed ~120.000 people already and left NHS far weaker, drastically increasing chances Covid tally will be orders of magnitude larger than it should be:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/tory-austerity-deaths-study-report-people-die-social-care-government-policy-a8057306.html

We should also ignore that he wasted untold millions in the past on vanity projects, like the London bridge, millions that could go to so many better causes, and that's when he was small fry - now he is trying to waste untold billions (see Irish bridge) instead of fixing NHS mess. Let's also ignore him spreading racism, sexism, and islamophobia in the press he wrote for, and multiple other similar trivial details, yeah, he did absolutely nothing wrong.

 Irbis wrote:

Marxist artist wrote:
Think that's a bit harsh, he followed his advisors

How is this any excuse? Not only he is the one responsible for the final decisions, he specifically picked Andrew Wakefield grade quack who told him what he wanted to say - while all actual experts were screaming how criminally stupid and irresponsible (to the tune of six digit deaths) this nonsense is. All so he could avoid disturbing interests of his buddies from top 1%.

I find it amazing how democracy is supposed to be run by informed voters yet someone who bears all responsibility no matter from what angle you look can escape it with trivial ease by waving a little scapegoat sockpuppet in front of him shouting "I was just following him". Yup, he had totally nothing to do with it at all and doesn't deserve any blame, eh?

Agreed, the "he only followed his advisors" argument is the reverse side of the same coin as the "only following orders" argument - one which has been long established as morally, legally, and ethically invalid as a defense of ones actions. It is true that any leaders decisions are often only as good as their advisors, but we have to remember that in many cases, including BoJos, they *pick* their advisors, and in this case in paritcular the advisors he picked were decried as horrible well before coronavirus was a word in the popular lexicon.

Maybe the thread should be given a break for a week or so since people apparently cannot stay off politics.

OR...the people who are routinely unable to drag politics in can be given a break from being able to post in this thread.

This can even be done while not preventing them from posting elsewhere on the site!

As far as BoJo is concerned, I want to see him recover and resume his job... now that he has a patient's eye view of what CVOID does. To paraphrase a terrible Batman movie, "If he's dead, he won't learn nothin'!"

 Alpharius wrote:
OR...the people who are routinely unable to drag politics in can be given a break from being able to post in this thread.

This can even be done while not preventing them from posting elsewhere on the site!

Sorry, I got frustrated.

It can be tricky to keep politics out of a conversation when someone like Johnson is a main talking point though.

I wonder how this will effect the public perception of the virus and the social distancing measurers? Fingers crossed it will penetrate the thick skulls of those still not taking the situation seriously. But I also fear that some might take the opposite tack and decide that if even the PM can catch it, then there is no point in trying to mitigate the risks.

 Irbis wrote:

Marxist artist wrote:
Think that's a bit harsh, he followed his advisors

How is this any excuse? Not only he is the one responsible for the final decisions, he specifically picked Andrew Wakefield grade quack who told him what he wanted to say - while all actual experts were screaming how criminally stupid and irresponsible (to the tune of six digit deaths) this nonsense is. All so he could avoid disturbing interests of his buddies from top 1%.

I find it amazing how democracy is supposed to be run by informed voters yet someone who bears all responsibility no matter from what angle you look can escape it with trivial ease by waving a little scapegoat sockpuppet in front of him shouting "I was just following him". Yup, he had totally nothing to do with it at all and doesn't deserve any blame, eh?

 Ketara wrote:
Let alone a man who has a new child on the way

That would be sad if he didn't already have 5 or 7 kids he doesn't give one toss about, including at least two from affairs (where he denied fatherhood and had to be dragged to court to confirm it). Not counting multiple abortions he forced to escape responsibility. So, yeah, I can empathize with and feel sad for the child - because he or she will most likely be abandoned soon no matter what. Feeling sorry for abusive man who doesn't really deserve to be called father (and that's his own deeds, not my opinion) is kind of harder, don't you think?

Bojo has done nothing extreme enough to earn that sort of ire

Well, if we ignore the fact he was the pillar of the campaign that cost his nation untold billions and caused explosion of racism and xenophobia, sure. Though that would also require ignoring he was OK with Covid killing hundreds of thousands, that he was OK with ruining millions of lives of people who came to UK heeding the call to work and paid taxes for decades, people from both EU and beyond (see Windrush). People he is now trying to forcibly deport, often to countries which they didn't see for 50 or 60 years, where they are easy targets for robbery or murder. People who by the way are one of the major NHS pillars, without which it would have collapsed long time ago. Also ignoring he was one of the architects of austerity and NHS cuts, something that killed ~120.000 people already and left NHS far weaker, drastically increasing chances Covid tally will be orders of magnitude larger than it should be:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/tory-austerity-deaths-study-report-people-die-social-care-government-policy-a8057306.html

We should also ignore that he wasted untold millions in the past on vanity projects, like the London bridge, millions that could go to so many better causes, and that's when he was small fry - now he is trying to waste untold billions (see Irish bridge) instead of fixing NHS mess. Let's also ignore him spreading racism, sexism, and islamophobia in the press he wrote for, and multiple other similar trivial details, yeah, he did absolutely nothing wrong.

Dude all I meant was wishing harm on an individual who is unwell is callous, backing up that argument is pathetic ,
I wish him a speedy recovery and look forward when this is over to heavily criticising his political views anywhere but a little plastic men forum.
I have no love for him but would wish anyone in his situation good luck.

In brighter news was delighted to hear of the 104 year old Italian lady beating covid and the 98 year old d-day veteran in the uk doing the same.

i think until there's any related/further news the Johnson talk ...

... hmm.. might need to rephrase that possibly....

... is best left alone for now.

Plot twist time :

Cigarette makers join the race to devise a coronavirus vaccine, using tobacco leaf

... well we do all love a redemption story eh ?

Smoke'em if you can get'em.

Nudist North Wales granddad drums naked in street for NHS heroes tribute



and in Cornwall :

Cornish shop asks customers to prove 'localness' if they want to buy anything

.. so we might get another season of The league of Gentlemen after this then eh ?


so between things like this and the guy on 5Live yesterday who called in and said the army should be on the streets and should shoot people "not kill them, just shoot them in the hand or foot" for a variety of offences including but not limited to "disrespecting the Queen", "running around sunbathing".... ...... and wonderfully vague , "being outrageous"...

t'would seem the isolation is perhaps starting to take hold a tad.

 reds8n wrote:
i think until there's any related/further news the Johnson talk ...


and in Cornwall :

Cornish shop asks customers to prove 'localness' if they want to buy anything

.. so we might get another season of The league of Gentlemen after this then eh ?


so between things like this and the guy on 5Live yesterday who called in and said the army should be on the streets and should shoot people "not kill them, just shoot them in the hand or foot" for a variety of offences including but not limited to "disrespecting the Queen", "running around sunbathing".... ...... and wonderfully vague , "being outrageous"...

t'would seem the isolation is perhaps starting to take hold a tad.

yeah, I mean why wouldnt you want to have a reason to turn away paying customers? but thats only a small extension of what has been mentioned previously about people taking things too far due to their fear frenzy, perfectly personified by Peirs Morgans (whos views I often agree with, despite his terrible way of espousing them) frothing rage at anyone who dared to venture outside at the weekend as 'traitors to the NHS'. its absurd.

I'm sure the NHS would be well served by having people come in having been shot in the foot for "mickey taking".

Give it five years or so and you'll see someone , limping down the street, and shake your head and wonder why oh why did they disrespect the Queen.

Haha yeah. And I bet those same idiots are the ones decrying US gun laws everytime there's a shooting.

 Gitzbitah wrote:
So my wife is being tested tomorrow. Obviously a worrisome and awful time- but there was one piece of advice they gave which I thought was kind of strange, and wondered if there was validity in it.

They advised that she try to stay quarantined from us- 2 kids and me. Now as I understand it, with this thing's transmission rate and already several weeks deep in quarantine, my gut reaction is that we've already been thoroughly exposed.

I'm certainly planning to stay away from everyone outside of the house until we know for sure, but is isolating an individual who you've already been in close contact with reasonable?

There are two reasons, first even though you might have been exposed you might not have caught it yet (the immune system doesn't have any specific tools to deal with this virus but does have general tools),
and second it's becoming more and more clear that the severity of your eventual symptoms if you catch it can depend on how much virus you've been exposed to (one reason why doctors and nurses seem to be more badly effected than you might expect given their age/health) so while you may have been exposed already the more you continue to be exposed the worse your outlook may be

so do your best to keep her isolated, try not to sleep in the same bed/room, don't share dishes, towels etc

yeah, If youre in the house with someone whos had it, its pretty much a given that youre going to be exposed at some point, but you can reduce the exposure, and thus the viral load, the amount of which seems to be a contributing factor to the severity of symptoms. I guess you could compare it to a siege, the more attackers there is, the more likely the walls are to fall due to sheer numbers.

I hear Boris is stabilising. Good news.

Also, I’m trying to decide if I’m doing the right thing by being outside working. Maybe I should be hiding indoors like the rest of you.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I hear Boris is stabilising. Good news.

Also, I’m trying to decide if I’m doing the right thing by being outside working. Maybe I should be hiding indoors like the rest of you.

A silly observation.

26 March, the UK applauds the NHS. Boris Johnson confirmed to have tested positive.

3 April, the U.K. makes applauding the NHS a weekly thing. Boris Johnson’s condition worsens.

10 April, the U.K. is poised to applied the NHS Once again.......

Seriously? Whilst I’m about as far as a fan of the bloke as you can get, basic human compassion means I hope he recovers. And I hold out hope this episode teaches him compassion and respect for our frontline health workers.

Actually, hiding indoors is a bad way to phrase it. Taking shelter sensibly is probably better.

And yeah, hopefully this pandemic demonstrates that a properly functioning health system is as vital to protecting a country as much as it’s armed forces are, if that makes sense.

Being outside doesn't spread the virus, if you stay away from people.

France has banned people exercising between the hours of 10am and 7pm.... To stop people going out and spreading the virus, by ensuring they all go out en masse at the same time.. You literally couldn't make it up.

In positive news, petrol is almost back to £1 per litre. I can't even remember the last time I saw that.. Shame there's nothing you can use it on. I've used less than half a tank in 3 weeks.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Being outside doesn't spread the virus, if you stay away from people.

France has banned people exercising between the hours of 10am and 7pm.... To stop people going out and spreading the virus, by ensuring they all go out en masse at the same time.. You literally couldn't make it up.

In positive news, petrol is almost back to £1 per litre. I can't even remember the last time I saw that.. Shame there's nothing you can use it on. I've used less than half a tank in 3 weeks.

I’d suggest peeps go fill up proper petrol cans, but I’ve no idea how safe that is, or the risk of the jungle juice evaporating before we get a chance to use it.

I'm working indoors.

I should go looking for this cheap Petrol. I can’t seem to find it. And as I have a gas guzzler, it would certainly help.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Actually, hiding indoors is a bad way to phrase it. Taking shelter sensibly is probably better.

And yeah, hopefully this pandemic demonstrates that a properly functioning health system is as vital to protecting a country as much as it’s armed forces are, if that makes sense.

Possibly even more. An army that is ill can't fight.

Got home from my first time to the local supermarket in two weeks. At least they're taking it seriously, with assigned spots to queue to keep distance, plastic screens between the cashiers and customers, and people wiping down surfaces regularly. There was even an elderly man with a cane yelling at some kids for not respecting the social distancing.