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Simply just what the title says. What units, wargear, characters, etc would you like to see make a come back from 3rd, 2nd or even RT?

For me there are a few.

There are so many old ork units that I'd love to see come back. Boar riders, squig herds, snotlings. Boar Riders at the very least should make a come back because right now Snakebites don't really have anything special in their list.

For Eldar I'd love to see Bonesingers make a return. They could have lots of squad support powers, adding D3 wounds to wraithlords, FNP for wraithguard or even erectng bone walls to form instant cover.

Space Wolves, I'd like to see Bjorn get rules again.

I'm also wondering where Cypher is these days but if I get started on Chaos and whats missing I'll never stop.

Three words:

Rapier.
Laser.
Destroyer.

Cypher.

Comedy option: virus grenades.

Robots and there finicky command system
I never got the chance to use them

I wish predators were still fast compared to other main battle tanks.

Back in the day, Leman Russ was super heavily armored, Land Raider also had the super-heavy armor role, and the predator was faster to make up for its lighter armor.

It no longer has a unique role in the armored metagame, it's just as slow as other tracked tanks, and yet has light armor too.

I think if all predators had overcharged engines as per the Baal, it would give them a more unique place in the game.

Harlequin Jetbikes, Solitaires and separate Death Jesters.

Ghost Warriors.

The funkier types of Ork artillery, like the original Pulsa Rokkit, Traktor Kannon, Squig Catapult etc.

Lost and the Damned.
Squats.
Grenades as weapons.
Old CSM armoury.

Lost and the Damned.
Squats.
Grenades as weapons.
Old CSM armoury.

All that, and Overwatch.

Definately grenades.

Eldar- Solitaires and the crystal targeting matrix but now as a coversave reducing option.
Prince Nadua and the Iyanden princess Ilyana(?)
Haywire grenades for guardians.

Squats- Just because I'm an oversized dwarf myself

Tau- Aun 'Shi

Tyranids- Ol' one eye

Overwatch

Lost and the damned

Old metal cadians

bring back doombreed, foulspawn, M'kachen and N'Kari - with the same stats and equipment as before

Madboyz! Orks are not crazy enough.

Eldar holo-suits.
all exodite stuff.
eldar pirates.

Old one eye.
red terror.
mutations like hive node.

ork madboyz.
da mad boy tower.
nazdreg (special character)

CSM with decent daemons rather than lesser's.
dreadclaws in normal games.
cypher.

all squats.


erm, ill think of more a bit later.

The dirty old man of the sisters of battle, Uriah Jacobson

Plasma Grenades

CSM + REAL demons
CSM god specific armies
CSM Dread comperable to 2nd edition
Defensive weapons = S5 and under

Cheese Elemental wrote:Lost and the Damned.
Squats.
Grenades as weapons.
Old CSM armoury.

That last bit. SO TRUE!
EDIT: and everything Techboss said!

Human Bombs
Penal Troopers
Beastman assault squads
Frenzon
Rapiers
Commissar training squads

havent seen the new chaos dex, but after that post i guess you can no longer make a daemon prince with 150 points of gear? (100 max for gifts i think)

if so, then i dont like the new one.
nothing wrong with a daemon prince with bezerker glaive and other nasties to make a combat monster.

Hallucinogen grenades. I want jones to act strangely again!

Save modifiers for a start would be nice


but i want these weapons back:

hand flamer.
needle pistol.
stub gun.
auxiliary grenade launchers.
bow.
crossbow.
hand bow.
musket.
needle sniper rifle.
heavy plasma gun functions.
heavy webber.
rapier laser destroyer.
tarantula.
thudd gun.

anti-plant grenades.
blind grendaes.
choke grenades.
hallucinogen grenades.
photon flash flares.
rad grenades.
scare grenades.
smoke grenades.
haywire (scrambler) grenades.
stasis grenades.
toxin grenades.
virus grenades.
vortex grenades.

If you want all that stuff... convince a friend to play 2nd ed with you.

i'd be happy for just a few things to come back

Well, if you combine the content of all of your posts in this thread, you've basically re-created 2nd ed. Just throw in overwatch that another poster mentioned and you're good to go.

i know, but you cant blame people for liking the old ways


just the save modifiers would be nice, kinda like WHFB.
just because a weapon wont kill your save doesent mean you should still get the normal save.
i like the old -1 to saves from a chainsword etc etc.

Eh, saving throw modifiers made power armor pretty worthless. Even a guardian with a shuriken catapult would reduce a marines saving throw to 5+. Most marine players I knew just loaded up on as many terminators and terminator-armored characters as they could, which IMO doesn't represent how marines are in the fluff.

Also, the AP system is actually a more accurate reflection of how armor actually works. In almost all cases, armor either protects the target from a shot, or it offers no protection, and there's very little "in between." For instance: most kevlar vests will stop a .45 shell every time, but fire a rifle shot at it and the vest offers next-to-no protection.

Genestealer Cult.

Jin wrote:Genestealer Cult.

willydstyle wrote:Eh, saving throw modifiers made power armor pretty worthless. Even a guardian with a shuriken catapult would reduce a marines saving throw to 5+. Most marine players I knew just loaded up on as many terminators and terminator-armored characters as they could, which IMO doesn't represent how marines are in the fluff.

My army was 20 terminators, 11 demons and 5 marines till 3rd rolled around. The delta with modifiers between 1D6 and 2D6 is huge. This is one reason terminators were so ass right after 3rd came out.