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Skinnattittar wrote:@ Che : It's actually a 50-50 deal, it neither hurts nor helps on its own, but is something you would apply in situations (and as I mentioned before, I think Commissars are over priced).

Are you serious?? This would be a HUGE advantage, even if it only worked 50% of the time!

Skinnattittar wrote:
As for orks, well I've never really thought of them as firing into other orks they are allied with, as they want to fight and be seen fighting. Though perhaps I can not say.

Read Ork fluff for about 5 minutes.

I think you vastly overrate what the Imperium should have, especially within the limits of game balance. I attempted to multiquote some of what you wrote below...but in summary...the Imperium is powerful...but crumbling. Making it "deh bestest force hurr!" just doesn't make sense.

@ Che : From all that I have seen about the Imperium, whether it is crumbling or condensing is up in the air. Read the histories of the Imperium, just in the current edition rulebook... well, you know what, I don't feel like going over all this because it has nothing to do with what I'm trying to say.

It is a 50-50 deal because half your guys are going to be hit and half the other guys are going to be hit. Considering the majority of these shots are going to be Lasguns v. a T3 or greater unit, you are most likely going to be losing more Guardsmen than your opponent will models. So you will have to play it where that will do more good than harm. Does it benefit? YES! Is it horribly mangling? Considering the number of MEQs my lasguns take out per turn, I somehow doubt it. Unless someone maths this, which is going to be extremely difficult, to prove exactly what would happen. I would say you will probably see a few more casualties on the opponent's side while the Guardsmen are getting their clocks cleaned faster than before! It's... there isn't anything I could say to convince you otherwise, is there...

Skinnattittar wrote:It's... there isn't anything I could say to convince you otherwise, is there...

Well on the count of firing into HTH for IG, no. Imperium fluff, yes...the fluff IS always changing!

The rule would be VERY powerful for IG if only the IG had it, and although they may be an army that it would make some fluff sense to have, I am still sold on Orks deserving it the most (granted, I'm not an Ork player). If every army had a unit that could do this (which for some wouldn't make sense) then the ability would be less powerful.

As things are right now, no unit can fire into HTH, and any unit having it would have a VERY special ability. The codex coming out in a few days already gives a fair number of those to the IG, and regardless of friendly v.s. enemy losses...it is still something that the IG doesn't need as much as some armies badly do.

Mind slaves
Grabber slashers

Actually no, but they were the only units I could think of that hadn't been mentioned already... But I agree with lots of what others have said.

Genestealer cults
Latd

rowan341 wrote:I want knight titans. A form of affordable titan and would be easily possible for GW to make from plastic.

You don't think GW can make a Warhound for $95 using the same number of sprues as a Baneblade or Stompa?

You don't think GW has that plastic Warhound ready to go at a moment's notice?

@ Che : I am not saying that Orks wouldn't do it, or that the IG should be the ONLY ones to have it, just that there is considerable fluff that I know of to support them having it, more so than Orks (that I know of). I could see an Ork with a lobba thinking "I'mma gonna hit doe's pink hummies wid mah boom pipe 'fore da ovah boyz geds to ahm!" and fire away, though do to extremely poor choices of aim, blasts his buddies away instead, or with a large automatic weapon, like lootaz, blow half of both party away as they approach each other, but I have not heard of an Ork running up to close combat and shooting at one side or the other. Though it would not surprise me and I would not stand in the way of the Orks getting a rule like YOU proposed (which would result in more Orks getting hit than their opponent, which is fluffy for Ork jealousy).

Che-Vito wrote:As things are right now, no unit can fire into HTH

Vindicare Assassins can not only fire into CC, but can pick out what model to remove

JohnHwangDD wrote:

rowan341 wrote:I want knight titans. A form of affordable titan and would be easily possible for GW to make from plastic.

You don't think GW can make a Warhound for $95 using the same number of sprues as a Baneblade or Stompa?

You don't think GW has that plastic Warhound ready to go at a moment's notice?

Oh they definitely can , but never will >:X

They'll charge it for $ 170 atleast -_-

@ Gwar : I was pretty sure there was at least one model that had that ability, and the Vindicare Assassin was one of the ones on that list.

@ Luna : I have trouble accepting such emo style posts, and people who use nondescript (read; completely random) anime(-esque) pictures for their avatars.

I definitely believe on day GW will release a plastic Titan model in the Baneblade price range, or at least well below $150. I would buy one even if I never end up using it! Much like my current Baneblade which is still awaiting construction because, well, it's a big model!

Maybe GW is waiting to release the Warhound when they raise the prices on all Superheavies to $115 or more?

Old?

The Zoat....lol....

Skinnattittar wrote:@ Gwar : I was pretty sure there was at least one model that had that ability, and the Vindicare Assassin was one of the ones on that list.

@ Luna : I have trouble accepting such emo style posts, and people who use nondescript (read; completely random) anime(-esque) pictures for their avatars.

I definitely believe on day GW will release a plastic Titan model in the Baneblade price range, or at least well below $150. I would buy one even if I never end up using it! Much like my current Baneblade which is still awaiting construction because, well, it's a big model!

I'm happy with the way she posts.

Its good to see girls in here... girls (most) like to communicate with emotion

you should try to talk to them (girls) sometime

(I'm just giving you a hard time)

@ frg : (I assumed as much) I was more trying to make a jab at the progressing social construct of valuing social symbols or styles of foreign or "new" cultures without having a proper foundation of understanding of that culture's history and reason. Their past, the evolution of the ideals arts and styles that they use and what they represent. Rather, many folks of that support, carry, or encourage these new fads have little to no understanding of what they are saying, how others perceive them, and the fact that what they are doing their own culture might find offensive. This is largely due to an inability of such people to understand, or more often refusing to understand, their own culture, deriving from a central theme of denial to avoid becoming like their parents whom they might view as their oppressors, their teachers, or their masters. These young or displaced individuals rarely realize that their own intentional avoidance more often than not is a direct parody of their own parent's period of lashing out and denial, thus continuing a cycle which will inevitably complete itself with this subject person becoming their own parents with time, spawning their own children, and continuing the cycle of oppression, rebellion, strife to feel accepted, coming home to their origins, and rebirth as a member of their origin culture....

Um... right, now what was all that?

I love how you claim that Luna has no understanding of "the progressing social construct of valuing social symbols or styles of foreign or "new" cultures without having a proper foundation of understanding of that culture's history and reason" when you don't actually know her.

Bigotry is fun!

Actually that whole "rant" was supposed to be one long joke. Think, Monty Python the parts that nobody remembers because it was so flamboyant. It's a very dry humor that doesn't translate well into type.

EDIT : Actually, I didn't even point that AT Luna to begin with! So Gwar; Shut the hell up!

I think you are all very, very silly.

Te-he

You can make a Carnifex with the same stats and rules as Old One Eye in the new codex, and there's no points limit so you can use him in larger games.
When I got the new Codex the first thing I did was make OOE. I use him to this day, I just don't call him that.

I want the Solitaire back. Seriously, where did he go?

Lost and The Damned
Genestealer Cult
God-Specific Daemons
Squats
Kroot

Basically the legalization of all the "niche" armies.

A good Chaos Codex.

The current codex is so bland and unpredictable it makes me cry. I want to see the incredible range of options we had in the previous edition codex, though I don't necessarily need the overpowered DPs or any of that. It is painful to me to have a chaos codex with absolutely nothing about it being chaotic or providing significant options for customization of any kind. With the current codex, we lost alot of special variant army lists, such as Iron Warriors, for "balance" purposes, but there are 4 or 5 different SM codices, AND they have special characters that allow them to change the entire makeup of the vanilla codex!

I also agree with the general desire for aforementioned niche armies like Genestealer Cults, Feral Orks, LatD, and Harlequins as their own army.

I want the old IG doctrines back, cause they were awesome!

Why do so many people want squats back? Is it just supposed to be a running gag or are they serious? Because I only remember SEEING them, either as proxy or for an older edition battle, though that was eons ago, before the C'Tan were even around!

Cryonicleech wrote:Lost and The Damned
Genestealer Cult

See Codex: IG?

Cryonicleech wrote:God-Specific Daemons

Codex: Daemons addresses this just fine.

Unless you need to mix Marines, in which case, you're playing Apoc...

Cryonicleech wrote:Squats

Codex: Orks is actually a pretty good proxy for a counts-as list. You'd have to rename & relabel a lot of stuff, but playability is good, and you retain your S3 T4 basic statline.

Cryonicleech wrote:Kroot

No help here, sorry.

DEATHWATCH KILL TEAMS AND ARMIES

Fallenbourne wrote:DEATHWATCH KILL TEAMS AND ARMIES

It seems that for GW, the Ordos Xenos is [data missing]...

Genestealer Cult. I have quite a few of 'em from 2nd edition... but that army shall grow no more Converting them rarely stands out awesome-wise.

Ends up with an IG torso and legs with a genestealer head. Epic fail.

But some are great!!


Also I'd just like it to be 2nd edition again... when we had space dwarfs, virus grenades and (lol) Heavy Webbers.

5th edition sucks.

ANTI-PLANT MISSILES!
Cover save? What cover save!?!

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:ANTI-PLANT MISSILES!
Cover save? What cover save!?!

That's what President Johnson calls "napalm".

I want my Eldar Dreadnaught back.
What about Mole Mortar, Tarantulas (two weapons of same type), Thudd Gun, Robots, Flesh Hounds.
Off Table Support 0 - 1000 points supporting fire.