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 Argive wrote:


Gw realy did a number on the eldar fans. Mierce minatures are looking real good about now.


Well going by UK prices:
Falcon - £32.50
Vyper £20
Venom £20
Scourges £17.50
Hellions £17.50

Total £107.50
140-107.5 = 32.50

So that's just over £30 for two characters and two troop sets. Currently many of the characters are £15 each and troops anything from £25 to £30. So that's still a very significant saving.

The only real oddity is why they felt the need to put the Falcon and Venom into the set to price it up higher to the £140 bracket when they could have settled on the £100 bracket as before. IT might be that AT sold so well that GW feels more confident charging more for these duel boxes. Otherwise the deal is still, at least by UK prices, a very good deal from GW that shows a good solid saving over the contents on their own. Though I appreciate that anyone with a current army of either (or both) is likely giong to be darn annoyed that they can't get the new models without hte whole set; but that's honestly the same issue always present with these duel army boxes when they don't feature brand new or very new armies.

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 Argive wrote:
Ugh that story line breakdown made me want to switch my phone phone off and walk into the sea...



Those sort of quick bullet point summaries rarely do any kind of story justice. Its always better to actually read the whole thing. Of course I'm not saying its going to be Shakespeare, but even the bards work would sound a bit naff if it was summed up in that way.
   
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GoatboyBeta wrote:
 Argive wrote:
Ugh that story line breakdown made me want to switch my phone phone off and walk into the sea...



Those sort of quick bullet point summaries rarely do any kind of story justice. Its always better to actually read the whole thing. Of course I'm not saying its going to be Shakespeare, but even the bards work would sound a bit naff if it was summed up in that way.


Boy meets girl
Parents disapprove
Boy and girl commit accidental joint suicide



Yeah boiling nearly any story down into one or two lines generally makes them sound daft, especially any fantasy or scifi story. It's why I try to avoid reading blurbs on the back of books (esp as so many can often spoil the middle of the book and the early plot twists in a general sense).

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 Argive wrote:
Ugh that story line breakdown made me want to switch my phone phone off and walk into the sea...

At £140 will be getting one of these splitting with a guy from flg .. we were planing on getting two but 1 will have to do.. i can pick up a second 5 man unit of banshees from.a scalper. £29 sounds cheaper than what GW will charge when they drop as a solo kit.

Gw realy did a number on the eldar fans. Mierce minatures are looking real good about now.

I don't trust any breakdown that says Eldars...

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If we are lucky they are trying to clear out stock on vypers and falcons. Maybe a potential release later for say windriders with shining spears, new vyper, at arch on bike?
   
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Steelcity

What a total waste of an opportunity to sell decent eldar models.

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Not sure if it was brought up before, but what's the deal with the little shrine? Is it just a filler, like with the BA terminators, or does it serve a purpose, a la ammo runt or ammo cherub?

EDIT: Incubi get one too

Spoiler:

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Russia, Moscow

Same as Avengers, Banshees also get their cute little shrine piece
   
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They'll come in handy as objective markers...

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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GaroRobe wrote:

EDIT: Incubi get one too

Spoiler:

Aw how cute, it even has a little gun hat!
   
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GoatboyBeta wrote:
 Argive wrote:
Ugh that story line breakdown made me want to switch my phone phone off and walk into the sea...



Those sort of quick bullet point summaries rarely do any kind of story justice. Its always better to actually read the whole thing. Of course I'm not saying its going to be Shakespeare, but even the bards work would sound a bit naff if it was summed up in that way.


Sounds accurate..It seems like its more of the same along the lines of "the path". Short story featured in the PA which was byfar the worst thing ive read in recent memory. And ive read threads by xenomancers... so...

Anything thats pushing the idiotic concept of eldar just throwing themselves to their deaths "because reasons" is just a no thank you for me.

"On tonights episode of garbage mystery stories - are the eldar near you dissapearing in mysterious circuimstances? Find out after the commercial"

However, any mentions of exodites gets me tingling. Might read it just for whatever brief passages i get about those and dream about getting exodite models(ha)

Regarding the box saving. A savin on stuff you dont want to get the stuff you want is no saving. Its a tax.

Luckily i can get it and split it with someone at huge discount but anyone wihout that ability i feel really sorry for.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
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Exodites kick ass, they're probably the only eldar I wouldnt run as ynarri. bring on dino riders
   
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Chopstick wrote:
I reckon this box would sell well and the price epidemic continue. Because people will just suck it up and buy it with their 25% off from their store.

Man I really miss Death Masque and Burning of Prospero, they had insane value but without the insane price.


+1

This box was really disappointing... and expensive. I’ll get the book and the new exarchin later.

 
   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPf69sxaLlw

...and it clarified that its not the book for me, and might be better off with a strict Craftworld army instead.

Can't help thinking that the Ynnari Triumvirate and rules are better off at home within the pages of Codex: Harliquins. That faction is a bit light on units and make sense as go-betweens for other Eldar factions, maybe the player must select a troope master or shadowseer for it to be a Ynnari army, if not taking one of the Triumvirate?


Casual gamer, casual fun! 
   
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SamusDrake wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPf69sxaLlw

...and it clarified that its not the book for me, and might be better off with a strict Craftworld army instead.

Can't help thinking that the Ynnari Triumvirate and rules are better off at home within the pages of Codex: Harliquins. That faction is a bit light on units and make sense as go-betweens for other Eldar factions, maybe the player must select a troope master or shadowseer for it to be a Ynnari army, if not taking one of the Triumvirate?



Agree

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
 
   
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SamusDrake wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPf69sxaLlw

...and it clarified that its not the book for me, and might be better off with a strict Craftworld army instead.

Can't help thinking that the Ynnari Triumvirate and rules are better off at home within the pages of Codex: Harliquins. That faction is a bit light on units and make sense as go-betweens for other Eldar factions, maybe the player must select a troope master or shadowseer for it to be a Ynnari army, if not taking one of the Triumvirate?


That would be much better than the current setup for sure. I'm wondering if this Awakening arc isn't a narrative way of consolidating the 40k lineup. They have a truly insane number of unique factions. Having Eldar become Ynarri and all Astartes working out of the Space Marine book with some sort of Chaotic consolidation would help them keep things updated.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
That's what 7th edition is about. Yelling "Forge the Narrative Pussy!" while kicking your opponent in the dick.
 BlaxicanX wrote:
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The dark behind the eyes.

SamusDrake wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPf69sxaLlw

...and it clarified that its not the book for me, and might be better off with a strict Craftworld army instead.

Can't help thinking that the Ynnari Triumvirate and rules are better off at home within the pages of Codex: Harliquins. That faction is a bit light on units and make sense as go-betweens for other Eldar factions, maybe the player must select a troope master or shadowseer for it to be a Ynnari army, if not taking one of the Triumvirate?


This would have been infinitely better than the current setup.

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 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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nou wrote:
As a digital sculptor myself I cannot unsee one detail of Jain Zar after seeing her in 3D that ruins this sculpt for me „raw” and I will have to convert her - originally her hair were not sculpted to be a support for the model and were simply stretched to end underneath her without any further resculpting. This creates a length of hair that is unnaturally flattened and with significantly less detailed than the rest. This is clearly visible from the back angle parallel to her polearm. Original design had to be much closer to the old one, with her comb flowing free above ground.

The second sculpting problem is with banshee kit and going with swappable helmets/heads with universal hair sculpt - for one, there is a gap between hair and exarch helmet and two, helmetless exarch head ends up looking like there is some sort of a rig underneath the bulk of hair to make them as puffed as they are...

To be perfectly fair, loss of detail might be just mold fault. A lot of plastic GW models has this 'sudden detail loss syndrome', sometimes in really dumb places, that could have been avoided with a tiny bit more work. I bet it's on the mould's side, you'd never get details there, especially with undercuts.

As for the gap, it was in earlier works, DoW2 intro even has banshee mask being just mask and the helmet not protecting from behind. Might be intended, actually.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Where was I? Also, to be fair: "The Collector's Edition also includes an expanded background section which features the narrative from the Blood of the Phoenix battlebox and no less than four short stories that were released to coincide with the Psychic Awakening". And a ribbon marker! (Admittedly, I do like ribbon markers. Not at +100% the price of the normal book levels, but I do like them quite a bit.)

Funnily enough, if you think about it, whales are likely to splurge for both, making the narrative section likely completely useless.

As for short stories, for the price of the difference I could have just printed them off WarCom like 40000 times
   
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 Shadenuat wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Yncarne also lost her 6+++ aura though

Didn't, just changed name.

To be specific, the ability that grants fearless and 6+++ were split out into two separate abilities.
   
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SamusDrake wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPf69sxaLlw

...and it clarified that its not the book for me, and might be better off with a strict Craftworld army instead.

Can't help thinking that the Ynnari Triumvirate and rules are better off at home within the pages of Codex: Harliquins. That faction is a bit light on units and make sense as go-betweens for other Eldar factions, maybe the player must select a troope master or shadowseer for it to be a Ynnari army, if not taking one of the Triumvirate?


Personally I'd just change the harlequin codex to an Eldar Cults codex and have that as a place for Harlequins, Ynnari and some Exodites.

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Sounds like an opportunity to create an entirely new range of plastic dino-riding space elves.
   
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 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Sounds like an opportunity to create an entirely new range of plastic dino-riding space elves.


They should have focused on them and corsairs before ever inventing a new faction...

It sounds like they don't know what the hell they want to do with Eldar at the moment
   
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Hellebore wrote:
 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Sounds like an opportunity to create an entirely new range of plastic dino-riding space elves.


They should have focused on them and corsairs before ever inventing a new faction...

It sounds like they don't know what the hell they want to do with Eldar at the moment

That seems very accurate to me actually. There's a huge disconnect between what GW and Black Library hint at for the story going forwards and what they do with specific characters like Jain Zar. Then there's things like trying (and failing) to fix Ynnari while Corsairs have nothing.

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pm713 wrote:
Hellebore wrote:
 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Sounds like an opportunity to create an entirely new range of plastic dino-riding space elves.


They should have focused on them and corsairs before ever inventing a new faction...

It sounds like they don't know what the hell they want to do with Eldar at the moment

That seems very accurate to me actually. There's a huge disconnect between what GW and Black Library hint at for the story going forwards and what they do with specific characters like Jain Zar. Then there's things like trying (and failing) to fix Ynnari while Corsairs have nothing.


This is definitely a plot point that we likely wont see resolved for years to come, and during those years Ynnari will remain this weird psuedo-faction that has lore importance and little else. Oh, except rules that are hard to balance.

It's weird and we won't see the result of these developments for a long time, and that's just going to be frustrating for the fanbase that's left with a half-resin, half-plastic range of models and no satisfying lore development.
   
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Hellebore wrote:
 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Sounds like an opportunity to create an entirely new range of plastic dino-riding space elves.


They should have focused on them and corsairs before ever inventing a new faction...

It sounds like they don't know what the hell they want to do with Eldar at the moment


You are the opposite of wrong there.

Because seriously. Dino-Riding Space Elves. That just sounds like a bloody license to print money. Heck, they even should have the CADs to draw from at this point with Lizardman stuff and other Eldar stuff. That doesn't sound like a tough one to work with, and the cool factor is beyond ridiculous.

And I say all this as someone who likes the Ynnari a lot - even if I'm hating their rules.
   
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 Dulahan wrote:
Hellebore wrote:
 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Sounds like an opportunity to create an entirely new range of plastic dino-riding space elves.


They should have focused on them and corsairs before ever inventing a new faction...

It sounds like they don't know what the hell they want to do with Eldar at the moment


You are the opposite of wrong there.

Because seriously. Dino-Riding Space Elves. That just sounds like a bloody license to print money. Heck, they even should have the CADs to draw from at this point with Lizardman stuff and other Eldar stuff. That doesn't sound like a tough one to work with, and the cool factor is beyond ridiculous.

And I say all this as someone who likes the Ynnari a lot - even if I'm hating their rules.


Absolutely. Dino Riders...exodites have been my favourite since tghe 2nd ed codex. there is literally nothing to hate about them.

I liked the IDEA of the Ynnari, but their purpose is narratively a deadend. Especially now that apparently they will never get the 5th crone sword and so the whole endeavour is a waste of time and they all have to suicide anyway. Which is a status quo reset if ever I've seen one. Pre-eldrad trying to wake Ynnead, that was the only potential option - mass suicide. Which is why it went nowhere.

So it seems like they have just decided to do nothing with Ynnari...

   
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Yeah when adding up all the previously-existing kits, the cost of the new stuff in this box set is actually pretty darn good.

But because of that choice of existing kits, the price point this lands at just...feels bad.

Sure the savings are there, but $280 CAD for a 25-model box set just leaves a bad taste in my mouth in the wake of stuff like Dark Imperium and Wake the Dead and Shadowspear all being around the $200 range and with higher model counts. This seems like a good example of how not to do a box set - the value is there on paper but it's not as tangible as previous sets have been. There's something to be said about how price points "feel" that doesn't land, here.

Still a nice set, but at that price point it's definitely not tempting me out of my plans to stay the course and wait for Sisters. It's a shame (for me) because I could actually really use a lot of the kits in this one.

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 Dulahan wrote:
Hellebore wrote:
 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Sounds like an opportunity to create an entirely new range of plastic dino-riding space elves.


They should have focused on them and corsairs before ever inventing a new faction...

It sounds like they don't know what the hell they want to do with Eldar at the moment


You are the opposite of wrong there.

Because seriously. Dino-Riding Space Elves. That just sounds like a bloody license to print money. Heck, they even should have the CADs to draw from at this point with Lizardman stuff and other Eldar stuff. That doesn't sound like a tough one to work with, and the cool factor is beyond ridiculous.

And I say all this as someone who likes the Ynnari a lot - even if I'm hating their rules.

Honestly, I would be convinced if they had enough higher toughness units that I could do potential conversions with the current Lizardmen range.

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 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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I still think they could get the fifth sword. Tie it into the Emperor's Children arc. They summon Ynnead but it fails to slay Slaanesh.

Now Eldar are one faction Ynarri and have a Primarch scale monstrous character.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
That's what 7th edition is about. Yelling "Forge the Narrative Pussy!" while kicking your opponent in the dick.
 BlaxicanX wrote:
A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.


 
   
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 Eldarain wrote:
I still think they could get the fifth sword. Tie it into the Emperor's Children arc. They summon Ynnead but it fails to slay Slaanesh.

Now Eldar are one faction Ynarri and have a Primarch scale monstrous character.


or they could simply leave Ynnari plan as "in progress" it's a plan that could take centuries to acheive

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