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These are some of the best models GW has done in a long time in my opinion. I want to do a lot of them, but how many is too many? From all the rumors, they look like they're going to be ridiculously solid on their own, even if they're not carrying any units. At the same time, having 30 guardsmen mob up into one unit with 5 extra heavy weapons teams is going to be really solid too. So how many is too many? Are people going to cry foul that I'm abusing the list if there are a certain number of them on the table (especially vendettas)?

Right now how I have about six guardsmen squads which in the past I've played as two platoons of 30 with chimeras, veterans, and tanks. I'm trying to figure out what a good mix of platoons vs. vehicles is going to be. Having 5 extra heavy weapons squads per platoon is going to be nice, but will it be abusive, especially in combination with 3-6 Vendettas?

Thanks for the tips in advance...

Well in dakka there are no such things as too many.
The extra ones gets used in apocalypse.

I say buy till you go bankrupt

I haven't even gotten that far yet. I'm still drooling over the no-sponsons-one through-three-per-heavy support-slot-leman-russ-wall-o-battlecannons. Perhaps the Vendettas can be the surf that crashes over that wall. Kabooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Moving to discussions

Take as many as you want.....?

As long as you stick to the rules your opponent cannot complain!

Personally I think the 6 valks, 3 vendetta, 6 veterans squad Air Cav list is both fluffy and fun while still being very competitive in most situations.

So 9 is what I am buying,

I have to go cry now....

Lets just say I REALLY want that job at GW now....mmmm...discount....

I would say 1 is too many. THere are already too many things a Tyranid can't kill at range. We don't need another on the field.

Luckily there is nothing you cannot kill in HTH.

10 is too many, you can only take 9 =)

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Luckily there is nothing you cannot kill in HTH.

Except for real flyers, amirite?

4 is too many.

That is why I'm only buying 3.

3 Really does sound about right.

As always, I'm sure magnets will be your friend here too...

25.

24 is ok, but 25 is just excessive.

Its only excessive when you dont have room to deploy them anymore.

BrookM wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Luckily there is nothing you cannot kill in HTH.

Except for real flyers, amirite?

Harridan can thump Fliers right?

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Harridan can thump Fliers right?

Apocalypse, page 94:

"ASSAULTS
Flyers may never assault nor be assaulted."

Interesting note: By RAW, a Harridan isn't classed as a Flyer in IA: Apocalypse, it simply has the Special Rule FLYER, which states: "The Harridan can fly up to 24" per turn".

Oh fair enough. I stand largely corrected in Apocalypse games!

You could write Forge World a dissatisfied letter, telling them how dissatisfied you are about this ruling.

BrookM wrote:You could write Forge World a dissatisfied letter, telling them how dissatisfied you are about this ruling.

And I doubt it will do anything, they almost never change their FAQs/Errata once released(I still want to know if BT/DA/BA/SWs can use the Prometheus/Helios/etc. as they never define what a "Space Marine Army"/"Space Marine Command Squad" is in the IA Vol 2 Errata).

I think they leave too much for us to determine by "common sense".

Platuan4th wrote:

BrookM wrote:You could write Forge World a dissatisfied letter, telling them how dissatisfied you are about this ruling.

And I doubt it will do anything, they almost never change their FAQs/Errata once released(I still want to know if BT/DA/BA/SWs can use the Prometheus/Helios/etc. as they never define what a "Space Marine Army"/"Space Marine Command Squad" is in the IA Vol 2 Errata).

I think they leave too much for us to determine by "common sense".

Yessss, this "common sense" is something a lot of people lack in the hobby sadly.

BrookM wrote:Yessss, this "common sense" is something a lot of people lack in the hobby sadly.

Common sense isn't very common.

The reason I say anything is that "common sense" and RAW very much butt heads in issues like these.

Is a Space Marine army an army from Codex: Space Marines(RAW?), ANY Codex with ANY kind of Space Marines(including Chaos?), or any LOYAL Marine Codex(most "Common Sense" answer and most likely the correct one)?

The problem is that FW doesn't say any way whatsoever, and thus leaves it up to our interpretation.

Edit: Option 3 is how I play it, of course, I'd just like some rule support if anyone decides to challenge it.

Blessed be a good, fun gaming system that covers all bases and leaves nothing open for such dispute.

FW is known for the vague, broad stroke thing. Some unit entries do tell the player which type of marine army can field the unit, but for the most part it is left open, so I'd also go with option 3.

2 is too many for a non IG player, that is why I'll buy 1 just to make into terrain wreckage and bits support.

i already own a FW Valkyrie, so i'm planning on getting at least one more plastic one. i'm still unsure on the Vendetta. i know, i'm nuts, but hey what can i say.

i want to know if they're flyers or skimmers? in the IA1 the Valk is a flyer. did they change it?

two... because i think i can fit that many (if i make the wings/tail detachable) in a GW hardcase along with the infantry they'll be carrying.

I'm going to buy a BUNCH! My FW Valk has been lonely long enough, so I'm giving it as many friends as it can handle!! Seriously, about 9 more should do me.

as many as you want as long as you play flight of the Valkyries every time you move, if not I will have to hurt you.

I think its up to the player if they want to do the IA APOC version for the IG version.

Are these flyers going to be a transport choice, as with the chimera's?