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Do you think it would be a good thing for GW if they undated their codicies quicker? What I mean is two things? A good thing for the gaming systems as well as they would make more money.

Are they being efficient by releasing the codicies as slow as they do or the opposite is true.

I believe they would make more money releasing codicies quicker, but quality would suffer, not that they do not make mistakes now releasing as slow as they do.

The rate of releases is paced to alloew the average hobbyist time to replenish his bank account between major releases. Right?

Kind of.

Plus remember, the Design Studio is responsible for the output of Fantasy and War of The Ring as well.

I think it would be absoulute best for GW if they made codecies binders with insert cards. They could release offical models and rules for armies as inserts whenver they felt like it(through white dwarf thus netting more sales of a dwindling magazine), and could do updates for multiple codecies at the same time without causeing a big stir in the printing and publishing department. They could also rellease army rosters and offical lists etc that could just be perforated pull outs and plug right into your binder. They could still re-do the codecies on the current slow path, but you as a gamer wouldn't feel neglected for 2-8 years at a time (depending on your army) because you would get ocassional new models/rules as they release them.

Meph

Of course it would be better, Ideally there would never be any codices that are outdated.

At the very least they should publish addendums, printed in shrinkwrapped codices, and say in white dwarf, where people would pay for them.

Augustus: I really like this idea I think GW should go with somthing like you described.

Frankly, I think the whole staggered codex release system is annoying.

Particularly given their self-proclaimed status as a seller of miniatures rather than rules, I would much rather see each new edition of the game include all of the rules... New Rulebook, new Codex for each army.

Then, staggered model releases, focusing on one army at a time if that's what works better for them, with the occasional campaign book release to add a bit of love for the other armies.


That way, everyone has rules for the same edition of the game, written at the same time so with the same design goals, and people can build armies (ie: Buy miniatures) without having to worry about whether or not their army will be using completely different rules by the time its finished.

Yeah, but then they couldn't randomly invalidate stuff (like IG infantry with power fists...) to make people buy more stuff.

They wouldn't need to. They would have the campaign books adding in game options to encourage people to buy stuff instead.

Greenlight1107 wrote:Augustus: I really like this idea I think GW should go with somthing like you described.

Hey thanks!

I've said this in other threads:

Republish the 40K Annuals (with FAQs, trial rules and army lists) Blood Angels|Armored Company|Kroot Mercs army list reprints anyone?

I'd pay for that!

Duh.

insaniak wrote:Frankly, I think the whole staggered codex release system is annoying.

Particularly given their self-proclaimed status as a seller of miniatures rather than rules, I would much rather see each new edition of the game include all of the rules... New Rulebook, new Codex for each army.

Then, staggered model releases, focusing on one army at a time if that's what works better for them, with the occasional campaign book release to add a bit of love for the other armies.


That way, everyone has rules for the same edition of the game, written at the same time so with the same design goals, and people can build armies (ie: Buy miniatures) without having to worry about whether or not their army will be using completely different rules by the time its finished.

But then people would bitch about not having all of the models for their units released.

Ozymandias wrote:But then people would bitch about not having all of the models for their units released.

That happens now.

Orks went an entire edition missing half of the models from their codex.


They have the model range now. If they had released 5th edition as a complete rules set, the missing units for most armies would have been minimal, or easily converted from existing miniatures.

I voted yes but with an addendum, if they updated codexes more regularly it would most likley be one every 3 months (so you get 40k, fantasy, wotr etc etc) leading to a maximum of 4 codexes a year, any more than that and you just wouldnt sell armies. Also, at this rate of production you could not gaurantee the volume of minis available with the release that we get now as chances are they would not sell as much, There are currently 16 40k codexes (I honestly did not realise it was that many) meaning minimum turnover time of 4 years, which I could live with. Having said this you could streamline the codex list some which would help (daemonhunters+witch hunters-codex inquisition, Blood+Dark angels-angels of death. Chaos Daemons+space marines-Forces of chaos. Templars+wolves-codex screw guilliman etc.) which would bring the number down to 12, meaning a turnover time of 3 years, which everyone could be happy with, Right?



It could also lead to issues whereby waves and codexes come out at the same time, which is not good for buisness, lots of orks out at the same time as gaurd, means its a choice rather than buy orks now and gaurd 2 months from now, so would we be willing to lose the new 'releasing models at different times to the codex' policy thats recently been going on?

the other option is Release all the codexes with the release of an edition of 40k, alltogether, then stagger the model release, but then you would have to have bigger gaps between editions, and nothing new coming into the game, rules wise for potentially 7-8 years, which could make the game stagnate a bit.

Bottom line, yes i'd like faster codex releases, but I'm not sure i'd be willing to pay the price for it.

I think they do it just so people start buying the army with the newest codex. With a new codex people are more prone to collect an army that is newly updated.

Ex. Orcs

Look at the quality of GW's editing and writing. Imagine the last codex you've read, and all the unclear rules, the topygraphical errors, the misprints, the things that just plain conflict with other rules.

Now imagine that GW had less time to write, less time to playtest, and less time to get their codexes out to print.

I've said this before on other threads,White Dwarf should split into two
magazines.One for WFB and Lotr and one for 40k.I think it unreasonable
to keep bringing out new rules without supporting the various armies at
the same time.At the very least GW should be publishing even minor rules
upgrades for all armies whose new codex is on the slow track.A good
example of delay is the new Space Wolf codex.How much longer are players
going to wait for the new rules for them?WD could easily give minor
updates to tide everyone over until a full codex arrives.

Chrispy wrote:Look at the quality of GW's editing and writing. Imagine the last codex you've read, and all the unclear rules, the topygraphical [sic] errors, the misprints, the things that just plain conflict with other rules.

Now imagine that GW had less time to write, less time to playtest, and less time to get their codexes out to print.

OTOH, that means additional time won't do any good. Might as well release more often. Get rid of an executive in marketing and hire a proofreader would also address the issue.

You must remember, GW has tried including codexes within White Dwarf (Blood Angels). They have also at certain points in the past updated systems, rules and the like via white dwarf. If they had experienced success with any of the items mentioned, they would still be doing them.

GW is a business, first and foremost. They do not exist to cater solely to customer whims. They must post profits or else they will cease to exist. Codexes as they are currently released generate the most revenue for the company based on GW's long history.

Wildeyedjester wrote:...
GW is a business, first and foremost. They do not exist to cater solely to customer whims. They must post profits or else they will cease to exist. Codexes as they are currently released generate the most revenue for the company based on GW's long history.

Well sure, but NOT selling codices like the Space Wolves anymore and releasing rules for models that don't exist (they aren't selling) couldn't be good for either the profits or the fan base could they?

It's hard to conclude anything but poor decision making on things like that.

Cancelling sold out GTs?
Doing new models for decent kits that already exist (like the whole IG fiasco)?
Discontinuing the publication of Annuals?