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 pretre wrote:
Okay, new idea for the Guardian Cup (1750) next month:
Saint Celestine
Uriah Jacobus
Battle Sister Squad (10) w/ Meltagun, Multimelta, Bolt Pistol / Chainsword - Rhino (Search)
Battle Sister Squad (10) w/ Storm Bolter, Heavy Bolter, Bolt Pistol / Chainsword
Exorcist
Exorcist
Retributors x7, 4 HB, Simulacrum Imperialis
Bastion with Quad-Gun
Primaris
PCS with 3 Flamers
4 x Infantry with Power Axe/MB, Autocannon
Vendetta
Manticore

BSS without a vehicle goes in the Bastion so they have 3 HB and a Storm Bolter (plus normal Bolters). Rets go on top with the quad.
Celestine, Jacobus and the Primaris go in the blob. This allows Celestine to soak wounds with her 2+ and FNP, if the Primaris gets endurance, she also gets It Will Not Die! which is hilarious. Alternatively, I could split them in two blobs depending on mission and such.

Its my list. Lol. How funny.

 Jancoran wrote:
Its my list. Lol. How funny.

What do you mean?

Nearly a carbon copy of my own.

 Jancoran wrote:
Nearly a carbon copy of my own.

Funny, I haven't seen you post anything with that list. Do you have any battle reports or anything I can look at? I'd like to see how it did.

No no no. I meant that is a carbon copy of the list I am taking to the Guardian Cup.

 Jancoran wrote:
No no no. I meant that is a carbon copy of the list I am taking to the Guardian Cup.

So independent discovery, rather than 'carbon copy'.

Edit: Although from a prior art standpoint, mine has proof of publishing.


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 Jancoran wrote:
No no no. I meant that is a carbon copy of the list I am taking to the Guardian Cup.

Also, wasn't aware that you were coming to the GC. Are you paid up already? It sold out.

No offense was intended. I am just stunnned to see my list sitting right there for comment.

So I guess my comment is: bravo?

There are some cosmetic differences but nothing that matters. They are different enough that we won't leave with each others armies on accident or anything. But its...well its real damn close!

What's your list?

I am at my insurance agency right now, so i don't have the working model with me.

But it is in every essential way this. The Manticore kills Multi-wound models like no ones business, and isn't a bad horde stopper either. It counts for the Big Guns Never Tire Mission that they announced will be part of it. Good to have three armored heavies for that. My Retributors might be Heavy Flamers so that I can score with them in that mission. Again I'll have to look.

The Vindetta provides me with a second anti-aircraft tool to use and of course is excellent in the Scouring which will be the first mission.

Jacobus and Celestine for all the obvious reasons. Same with Primaris.

Weapons loadout on Sisters of Battle isn't the same. Thats one place we differed.

And of course the IG troopies.

Im considering whether I want two exorcists though. I may go another direction there. Two is basically how many you take as an insurance policy so that we hope both of them wont suck at the same time. but there are other options there. One can afford to bet on the suckage not to be too bad if it means other positive changes.

So dont carve it in stone just yet, but I mean... There's little diff between the two.

Just have to hope you don't get matched up against me. Mirror matches are boring.

I assume one or both of us will be at the top table representing Sisters of Battle in the end.

Perhaps your bordeom can be assuaged somewhat by the prospects of repeating. You are the returning Guardian Cup champion I believe you said?

Think about it. It will be a battle between the Orthodox Church and the Unorthodox church. Fitting.

I smell heresy.

Well, it looks like a fun list to try myself once. Shame I never get to do a mirror match, there's precious few Sister players in all of Holland, let alone my area.

Ah Holland. You should move that country over here. We have a lot of gamers i nWashington state.

Jancoran wrote:I assume one or both of us will be at the top table representing Sisters of Battle in the end.

Wishful thinking.

Perhaps your bordeom can be assuaged somewhat by the prospects of repeating. You are the returning Guardian Cup champion I believe you said?

I am, although who knows if my luck will hold out again.

Shandara wrote:I smell heresy.

Well, it looks like a fun list to try myself once. Shame I never get to do a mirror match, there's precious few Sister players in all of Holland, let alone my area.

Jancoran and I have never played yet. I have played against another Sisters player locally but he runs GK allies, which I do not. So it isn't truly mirror. We actually got paired up round one of a tournament last year which was super hilarious.

 pretre wrote:

Jancoran wrote:I assume one or both of us will be at the top table representing Sisters of Battle in the end.

Wishful thinking.

Perhaps your bordeom can be assuaged somewhat by the prospects of repeating. You are the returning Guardian Cup champion I believe you said?

I am, although who knows if my luck will hold out again.

Well if I DO win the Guardian Cup, it will be the fourth tourney win in a row for my Sisters of Battle force (specifically). That would be quite a feat for anyone really and would be a personal best for them. I have something to play for, mirror or no mirror.

As for wishful thinking, I am not sure of how wishful it really is. Sun Tzu saud this as regards Tactical Dispositions:

Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights, and afterwards looks for victory.

Plus I mean... Seriously. We play Sisters of Battle! Whose going to stop us but another convent anyways? And if they do stop us, 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Sisters of Battle? I'll take it! Lower tier my sweet patooty!

So I've read through a bunch of the past few pages and am excited to be starting up Sisters of Battle I've made a local tournament-level list that I'm going to try in March and would love some feedback on it. It's more of a flavorful list than one that I would expect to win a major tournament like you guys are building for. It does take a similar guard-blob approach and, sadly, it uses a large number of points for IG because, well it's what I have right now Again, semi-competitive level here so be kind!

HQ:
Saint Celestine
Uriah Jacobus
Company Command Squad (Lord Castellan Creed)

Troop:
15x Battle Sisters (meltagun, flamer)
15x Battle Sisters (meltagun, flamer)
Infantry Platoon:
- Platoon Command Squad
- 5x Infantry Squad (Flamer, Power Axe, Meltabomb)
- 2x Heavy Weapons Squad (3x Autocannon)
- 2x Heavy Weapons Squad (3x Lascannon)

Fast Attack:
Vendetta Gunship (Side HB sponsons)

Heavy Support:
5x Retributors (4x Heavy Bolters, Simulacrum)
Penitent Engine
Penitent Engine

Fortification:
Aegis Defence Line (Quad Gun)

The idea was that I was going to use the penitent engines counter-assault units riding behind my scouted (thanks to creed) infantry blob. I don't really want to get rid of them because they are really cool and iconic

I've had good success recently in much smaller games using St. Celestine in larger squads and then breaking her off to harass units in cover (especially scouts, etc.).

Castellan Creed is really awesome. He's not VERY commonly used that I have seen in my local area and the surrounding 60 miles, but he's my MVP. I love synergy characters and he's one that makes the whole army better than its parts.

 pretre wrote:

Jancoran and I have never played yet. I have played against another Sisters player locally but he runs GK allies, which I do not. So it isn't truly mirror. We actually got paired up round one of a tournament last year which was super hilarious.

If you two play at the Cup you NEED to post a battle report!!!

I mean, you should both post your results anyway, but if you match up and don't share...

Going to actually look at your list now Pre to try and provide feedback, or at the very least questions for discussion.

If that wasn't finals weekend for Winter term, there might have been 3 Sisters armies at the Guardian Cup... likely with IG allies.

Well I guess if you choose to make finals a priority over Warhammer...I guess...

erfunk wrote:
If that wasn't finals weekend for Winter term, there might have been 3 Sisters armies at the Guardian Cup... likely with IG allies.

Are finals that week? Luckily I only have one class.

 pretre wrote:

erfunk wrote:
If that wasn't finals weekend for Winter term, there might have been 3 Sisters armies at the Guardian Cup... likely with IG allies.

Are finals that week? Luckily I only have one class.

For Portland State, they're the week of March 18th. Two finals for me, but one is a pretty hefty takehome test due that Monday. At least the Sororitas will be well represented.

I've been toying with buying something from the Guard artillery section. The Manticore is obviously a good pick, but what are opinions on the Basilisk? The lower price tag, AP3, and not being limited on number of shots is appealing. Is the boon toward sniping models off of Bastions and behind an Aegis worth the loss of S10 for an army that tends to peak at 8? I don't tend to field Rets, so it may be in combination with 2-3 Exorcists and optional Vendetta.

The Basilisk is an excellent weapon but it has issues on the table top due to it's long minimum range. I'd suggest looking at a Medusa if you want full on arty.

I'm a fan of the Manticore for a sister ally. We need the S10 in our army. More S8 or cover denying? Meh.

Also, Basilisks can fire inside their minimum range, iirc. They just don't subtract their BS. I may need to look this up again.

Barrage weaponscan fire
indirectly. Thismeansthey can fire
at a target that they do not have
line ofsight to and/or a target that
is within the weapon'sminimum
range(ifit has one).When firing
indirectly, the Ballistic Skillof the
firer is not subtracted from the
scatter distance; unless a Hit! is
rolled on the scatter dice, the blast
marker always scatters a full 2D6".

Ok, I'm having a panic moment. I've got a box of DE wyches in the mail to turn into repentia. Now I'm not one for net lists, but I'm not seeing any assault elements on some of the more respectable lists here. Even then, are repentia the ones to model? I can turn them into a conclave too, and that's a great modeling opportunity.

So for your points- conclave or repentia? Or mysterious third option I'm not thinking about.

Humblesteve wrote:
Ok, I'm having a panic moment. I've got a box of DE wyches in the mail to turn into repentia. Now I'm not one for net lists, but I'm not seeing any assault elements on some of the more respectable lists here. Even then, are repentia the ones to model? I can turn them into a conclave too, and that's a great modeling opportunity.

So for your points- conclave or repentia? Or mysterious third option I'm not thinking about.

lol for my money? I'd do Conclave before Repentia. Conclave and Jacobus is still pretty okay. Put Jacobus on a Quad behind an Aegis, get some crusaders and DCA and sit them there with him and dare someone to come to your deployment zone.

Super competitive? No. Super fun? Yes.

I have a bunch of conclave minis right now that are all sitting on the shelf. They were great when they could assault out of vehicles. Combine the assault out of rhino nerf with the availability of better allies and they got shelved.

Repentia? I do not run them. Some of the other guys on here have given their good points in the past. IMO, there are better things to spend your points on that will be more effective.

 pretre wrote:

Humblesteve wrote:
Ok, I'm having a panic moment. I've got a box of DE wyches in the mail to turn into repentia. Now I'm not one for net lists, but I'm not seeing any assault elements on some of the more respectable lists here. Even then, are repentia the ones to model? I can turn them into a conclave too, and that's a great modeling opportunity.

So for your points- conclave or repentia? Or mysterious third option I'm not thinking about.

lol for my money? I'd do Conclave before Repentia. Conclave and Jacobus is still pretty okay. Put Jacobus on a Quad behind an Aegis, get some crusaders and DCA and sit them there with him and dare someone to come to your deployment zone.

Super competitive? No. Super fun? Yes.

I have a bunch of conclave minis right now that are all sitting on the shelf. They were great when they could assault out of vehicles. Combine the assault out of rhino nerf with the availability of better allies and they got shelved.

Repentia? I do not run them. Some of the other guys on here have given their good points in the past. IMO, there are better things to spend your points on that will be more effective.

Consider it settled then. I was kinda looking forward to modeling a Jackie-bus, sister defenders, and assassin sisters. Is 5 and 5 a fair ratio?

I can model some plastic repentia later, but I'd rather have something I can play with.

Humblesteve wrote:
Consider it settled then. I was kinda looking forward to modeling a Jackie-bus, sister defenders, and assassin sisters. Is 5 and 5 a fair ratio?

I think 4 and 6 or 5 and 5 is a good ratio.

Now, depending on your play group*, I would suggest the following, modelling wise:

4 Crusaders with Power Axes
2 DCA with Sword/Axe
2 DCA with Maul/Axe
2 DCA with Maul/Sword

If you want an even 5/5, I would drop one Maul/Sword.

* Some groups disagree with the free modelling of power weapons.

 pretre wrote:
I'm a fan of the Manticore for a sister ally. We need the S10 in our army. More S8 or cover denying? Meh.

Also, Basilisks can fire inside their minimum range, iirc. They just don't subtract their BS. I may need to look this up again.

S9, with Ordinance for armor pen and pinning like the Manticore. And Pretre is right, min range only costs them their BS (which if hidden, they've already lost it). Picking wounds off Quad-Guns is another nice perk of the AP3, if I'm shooting over their walls anyway.

Despite me defending the underdog Basi, I'm not saying I'm set on which to use. How useful or limiting do you find the Manticore's built-in mutiple barrage? If you get a hit on the 2nd or 3rd blast, does it have to be tangental to the first or can it be overlapping?

I think I can pass on the Medusa for now, since I pack a lot of AT anyway. And I'm also the most frequent DW player at the tourneys in Salem so I don't tend to see a ton of TDA fielded against me. But it occurs to me that if I build it right, I have the option to trade the barrel out to run the variants. I'd just need to scratch build more barrels...

erfunk wrote:
Despite me defending the underdog Basi, I'm not saying I'm set on which to use. How useful or limiting do you find the Manticore's built-in mutiple barrage? If you get a hit on the 2nd or 3rd blast, does it have to be tangental to the first or can it be overlapping?

You can overlap some or all of the template.

I think I can pass on the Medusa for now, since I pack a lot of AT anyway. And I'm also the most frequent DW player at the tourneys in Salem so I don't tend to see a ton of TDA fielded against me. But it occurs to me that if I build it right, I have the option to trade the barrel out to run the variants. I'd just need to scratch build more barrels...

Exactly correct. I would have done this if I hadn't traded for my Manticore. Damn plastic glue.