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when people at GW saw my painting... 0__0

J.Black wrote:When i was about 14 our flgs manager got fired for, supposedly, stealing a bunch of stock. As the rest of the staff were recruited by him, they were also given their marching orders.

1 week later we got a new manager and a bunch of new redshirts fresh out of GW-Brainwashing. Their first act was to ban anyone of the regulars over the age of 16 (About 90% of the customers at that point) and set up 8 out the 10 tables in the shop as intro boards.

Just out of curiosity, why did they ban all the older regulars? that seems like the worst possible thing they could have done.

Not really. GW seems to have a hate-on for non-newbs. Their business focus is constantly getting new people into the hobby. Once they get your money, you can go hang for all corporate cares.

At least, that's what I hear around Dakka, and what I have seen in the stores.

Griz has it pretty much right. There used to be a group of about 15 that'd hang round the store most of the week. Guess they were getting in the way of the intro boards.

Cos they made their initial heavyweight sales off those kids when they established their armies... The GW storefronts exist to convert the new spods wondering about with thier mums.

Also the older you get, the more likely you are to do things like argue back, not accept a store worker as some form of god, not believe that wearing a red shirt grants further insight into the rules, use naughty words, criticise the corporation, etc etc, you are bad for business and the return from you buying a few minis isn't worth what a new convert is.

Make way you selfish git.

In all fairness, while I do NOT dispute the veracity of the "they hate veterans" claims about GW stores, I Do feel the need to point out that, before it was closed by GW in their great wisdom, the store they had here in the St. Louis area was the exact opposite of that. They treated the veteran gamers like they sh*t gold. They had a great staff there.

Eric

One day, my brain decided to take a break. I found myself gaming in the FLGS whilst stuffing my face with KFC and handling my opponent's minis that he couldn't reach. At least his Tyranids have fancy patterns of grease on them now.

grizgrin wrote:Not really. GW seems to have a hate-on for non-newbs. Their business focus is constantly getting new people into the hobby. Once they get your money, you can go hang for all corporate cares.

At least, that's what I hear around Dakka, and what I have seen in the stores.

The thing with this is that kids seeing more people playing it would be more inclined to learn about the game, so really it makes no sense to turn away loyal customers/veterans.

It makes more sense than you would expect. Think about it. This is GW here.

ShadowRocket wrote:

grizgrin wrote:Not really. GW seems to have a hate-on for non-newbs. Their business focus is constantly getting new people into the hobby. Once they get your money, you can go hang for all corporate cares.

At least, that's what I hear around Dakka, and what I have seen in the stores.

The thing with this is that kids seeing more people playing it would be more inclined to learn about the game, so really it makes no sense to turn away loyal customers/veterans.

You know, that almost sounds...sensible. Why shun customers, people willing to spend money, when there are ways to turn a buck off the new AND old guard? I think they made a great sttride forward in Hoovering more cash out of the old guard with Apoc. THose are some excellent quality models, I dont give a gak WHAT kind of modeling you do. And you go compare the price of a Stormlord Or BaneBlade with a Tamiya tank kit of simliar size and come back and tell me the thing is 3 times what it should be. Go take a look at Hobbytown USA or similar. Folks, you can drop 100 USD on a large scale tank kit in a SNAP.

Yet some of these GW stores, from what I understand, shun the non-newb. There are great reasons to have vets. Vets, just because they have bought their first intro load, are NOT tapped out.

A total shame, seeing as how GW's are sometimes great places to play. Though, of course, that is entirely dependent on the people there.

And once again, GW is GW.

Two different guys - both called Dan

Dan A (his surname actually does begin with A aswell!) ALWAYS used to have rolled 18/00 for his strength in 2nd Ed AD&D. ALWAYS. Quite apart from that, he always managed to roll good enough stats elsewhere to be able to play a Paladin (we just used 6 sets of 4d6, choose your best 3, so it is a tad unlikely, once, let alone 5 or 6 times) And he refused to even contemplate re-rolling when challenged. We used to just get on with it as it was not worth arguing - he was friends with the DM and we sometimes used to play at his parents' house...

Anyway, one time, we encountered a baby giant. It had building blocks of solid wood, all about 6'x6'. We all, players and DM, spent about an hour arguing about how he could not parry one of the blocks when it was thrown at him, using whatever rule it was he found. Worst things was, he wasn't correct in an RaW sense, let alone RaI, and even the Dm using rule zero did not work. Worst part was, he was the 2nd cleverest kid in school, but could not see the complete FAIL of his viewpoint.

Dan B (again, his surname actually does begin with B) almost always DM'd. We'd generally game at his place as he had a decent set-up at his parents' and he'd always be the last to arrive, probably 30-40 minutes if we went elsewhere, for a 7pm-10pm session. Even if we went to his, he'd be the last one ready. Once, at a gaming club round the corner, he packed up, stormed off taking all of his books with him and left us sat there going wtf? because of some obscure argument. I think it may have been over him wanting to play Gamma World and the rest of wanting to play Shadowrun or DnD, but I am not sure now. It was something pretty minor, we'd not even been talking for long about whatever it was and the rest of us were just flabbergasted at the speed at which he had upped and left.

Another time, I suggested I wanted to play a game of Epic wihout Titans, to make it a more infantry based battle. He always played Eldar, and I always played Imperial/Squats. He agreed to this and we picked our armies. I placed first, then he laid out 2 Eldar titans. He said "Your titans come from a separate list to your marines, whereas mine are in the main Eldar list, so I haven't broken the rule." I tried to re-explain my point about the hope that we were going to have a different style of game, and how there was nothing illegal about me using titans and marines either - it was a purely voluntary thing for both of us, but he was adamant. I can't remember if I bothered to play or not.

At a recent Apocalypse game, one guy brought three Baneblades(Baneblade, Shadowsword and Stormlord) to the table together with his traitor guard and plaguemarines... aswell as the greater nurgle daemon from FW.

I think is was by round 3 that the sh*t hit the fan... My Terminus Ultra took out his Baneblade, my friend's Terminator unit annihilated the Shadowsword and my Sisters of Battle's four melta guns (within 6") took out the Stormlord and my Callidus assassins poisonblades took the last wound of the Greater Daemon...

I could see the tears starting to form in corners of his eyes... but he held em back... now THAT could have been awkward!

EDIT: Forgot that his Abbadon was killed by a Devastator unit in CC aswell ^^

thedarkside69 wrote:when people at GW saw my painting... 0__0

Was this a good thing or a bad thing?

fabbes wrote:At a recent Apocalypse game, one guy brought three Baneblades(Baneblade, Shadowsword and Stormlord) to the table together with his traitor guard and plaguemarines... aswell as the greater nurgle daemon from FW.

I think is was by round 3 that the sh*t hit the fan... My Terminus Ultra took out his Baneblade, my friend's Terminator unit annihilated the Shadowsword and my Sisters of Battle's four melta guns (within 6") took out the Stormlord and my Callidus assassins poisonblades took the last wound of the Greater Daemon...

I could see the tears starting to form in corners of his eyes... but he held em back... now THAT could have been awkward!

EDIT: Forgot that his Abbadon was killed by a Devastator unit in CC aswell ^^

Well granted, he needs to relax...but man, that would be upsetting, lol.

I was playing this kid in a store wide big f@%^ing apoc game. And most regulars hate to play this kid idk how old he is, maybe like 12 or 13. (the older i get the harder it is for me to tell the ages apart, they just blend together) but he is the biggest rules lawyer, doesn't know the rules, TFG kinda guy. Well I'm using my tank company of Leman Russes, and we had been talking back and forth talking alittle friendly smack. And he was like my guys are Plague Marines so your gonna struggle to kill them with your tanks. To which I replied I got plenty of tanks to kill you with. So as the game progressed i kept blowing apart his units with my tanks and a one point and this was the awkward part, I killed his Kharn at point blacnk range with my Basilisk. Kharn was literately a hair away from the end of the gun barrel, and I rolled a direct hit a blasted him to bits. And then after that he tried to question if I could do it, because the barrel doesn't go completely horizontal due to a mistake in building it when I first started. He then almost cried. And preceded to throw his models into a show box for storage with such a look of distaste.

Another awkward moment was when I was in the store with my army, he walked in and asked if anyone wanted to play and all the regulars who were in, maybe like 5 of us all rolled our eyes and said were just painting today.

Well actually mate, he was right about Khan. if he was where you say he was, there was no way you could have placed the marker without hitting the Basilisk as well, and you are not allowed to place the marker so it hits your own models.

On the above, he could have hit Kharn with the edge of the blast marker.

Though unless I'm mistaken Basilisks have minimum ranges...

well the solution ive made up so far has been pretty effective, kill the army that theyre fielding. ill pretty much stop whatever im doing or what plans were made, and go after their army. but when im not allowed to do that i usually get someone from the other side to do the dirty work(usually my brother). and when their army is dead they clean up and leave.

Cryonicleech wrote:On the above, he could have hit Kharn with the edge of the blast marker.

Though unless I'm mistaken Basilisks have minimum ranges...

No, because you have to place the hole over a models base. Unless Khan was with other people or something.

Yeah... I thought minimum range on a basilisk was 36" for their barrage weapon.... Please correct me if I'm wrong...

I was playing a 500pt match, with me Eldar and him Tau. Alls i have is 20 dire avengers and the Avatar. This was when i first got into 40k actually. We play, and my dire avengers kill some kroot and force them off the table. ALL of them. he gets so peeOed that he throws his tape measure, and quits the match. I begged him not to because i prefer not to win that way but he did anyways. Most younger players tend to have, more tendencies to quit when things dont automatically go their way. I try to remain and calm and laid back as possible during games, and even try to joke with the opponent. I cant stand when people are so uptight about game.

tuatha1337 wrote:Yeah... I thought minimum range on a basilisk was 36" for their barrage weapon.... Please correct me if I'm wrong...

Cryonicleech wrote:On the above, he could have hit Kharn with the edge of the blast marker.

Though unless I'm mistaken Basilisks have minimum ranges...

Ghost in the Darkness wrote:I was playing this kid in a store wide big f@%^ing apoc game. And most regulars hate to play this kid idk how old he is, maybe like 12 or 13. (the older i get the harder it is for me to tell the ages apart, they just blend together) but he is the biggest rules lawyer, doesn't know the rules, TFG kinda guy. Well I'm using my tank company of Leman Russes, and we had been talking back and forth talking alittle friendly smack. And he was like my guys are Plague Marines so your gonna struggle to kill them with your tanks. To which I replied I got plenty of tanks to kill you with. So as the game progressed i kept blowing apart his units with my tanks and a one point and this was the awkward part, I killed his Kharn at point blacnk range with my Basilisk. Kharn was literately a hair away from the end of the gun barrel, and I rolled a direct hit a blasted him to bits. And then after that he tried to question if I could do it, because the barrel doesn't go completely horizontal due to a mistake in building it when I first started. He then almost cried. And preceded to throw his models into a show box for storage with such a look of distaste.

Another awkward moment was when I was in the store with my army, he walked in and asked if anyone wanted to play and all the regulars who were in, maybe like 5 of us all rolled our eyes and said were just painting today.

Wow, it's the little stuff that gets ya. A lot of the question depends on the version of the Guard codex that was in use. In 4E, you could not fire the Basilisk indirectly at all unless you bought that upgrade for it (25 points). I do not believe that it had a minimum range otherwise. In 5E, the Basilisk is listed as having a 36" minimum range.

Personally, I think that if anyone wants to take this up further they should start a new thread in YMDC and no hijack this one any further (although the questions and answers so far seemed quite reasonable to me). Not that my opinion matters a fart in a whirlwind.

On Topic: Had a game with a good friend of mine a few weeks back. He's a bit of a doom crier regarding his dice, so when his go on a 1's jag it can get pretty bad with the i-told-ya-so's. It just gets a little awkward some times with a guy who's a grown man,k wife and kids and house, a friggin doctorate; and he's losin his water over a game of dice.

And another one. Another buddy of mine challenges me to a game with my IG. I usually run a heavy weapon gunline and get hammered doing it. I discover I've left ALL my heavy weapons teams at home. So I tell him to give me a few minutes; I'm making up a list on the fly with my leftovers (which were considerable). The result? He's playing drop pod marines, and I bring a drop IG force with 25 flamers and 25 melta guns. This is a guy who never loses. And he's NEVER an ass about it, but he NEVER loses. Here's the embarassing part. I could not read a scatter die to save my soul. I hadn't USED a scatter die in ages, and I was scatter gak all over the place in this game as I am sure you could imagine with drop IG. And 3 or 4 times in the game, I misread the scatter dice by at least 30 degrees. Ugh.

tuatha1337 wrote:Yeah... I thought minimum range on a basilisk was 36" for their barrage weapon.... Please correct me if I'm wrong...

You are wrong. When fired directly Ordnance Barrage has no minimum range.

Waaaaaaagh! wrote:

tuatha1337 wrote:Yeah... I thought minimum range on a basilisk was 36" for their barrage weapon.... Please correct me if I'm wrong...

You are wrong. When fired directly Ordnance Barrage has no minimum range.

Page 58 of the rulebook.

On topic: I don't know if it's just me, but I feel awkward every time I have to correct my opponent on their rules, even though 95% of the time I'm right.

Another story of mine...

in 1998-1997 back in the hey day of 3rd edition I had a pure Beserker force 10-20 beserker squads at rediculous squad levels Terminator Lord Kharn the works even a bloodletter pack and greater Daemon.

One day im down my local hobby centre quiet as a mouse painting my girlfriend at the time was there also painting my Khorne Daemon Prince some six year old kid rolls in all big eyes full of wonder his army case in his hands.

Staffer bobs over says hi and asks him what he plays
"I play Eldar and Im six he saids"
"Wanna play a game?" saids the Staffer
kid nods eagerly

Moments later im setting up my beserkers for a 2000pt game so thats the majority of my army kitted out with so much nastiness the kid should have just packed up and went home.

Game goes on he stands and shoots at my eighty plus group of psychopaths footslogging across the board then i imagine a sickening crunch as my line of red and brass reaches his guardians now thats 3 attacks EACH 2+1 for charging attacking enemies in mesh armour thats stupid O clock attacks kids eyes widen in terror as i slaughter his whole army in 4 turns i might as well had have been rolling my dice out of a bucket.

The bloodlust was on Kharn steam rolling up the flank reaches his farseer one of my champs get posessed by a Bloodthirster the gak is hitting the air conditioning this kid looks ready to break then 6 turns are over hes standing there looking at his army.

1 grav tank
1 dire avenger running
his farseer clinging onto one wound kharn about to cave his face in

Now back then I built everything for cheesy power play and being a regular it was allowed and it was back in the day when it was the DONE thing!

Then this kid he cried he cried so hard that his mother gave me and the manager such a look of disgust and walked out with this kid in tow.

I proberly put him off for life........

Explains my losing streak now against everyone ive played my sin is well and truly being punished!

BOSS_PIMPALOTZ wrote:Another story of mine...

in 1998-1997 back in the hey day of 3rd edition I had a pure Beserker force 10-20 beserker squads at rediculous squad levels Terminator Lord Kharn the works even a bloodletter pack and greater Daemon.

One day im down my local hobby centre quiet as a mouse painting my girlfriend at the time was there also painting my Khorne Daemon Prince some six year old kid rolls in all big eyes full of wonder his army case in his hands.

Staffer bobs over says hi and asks him what he plays
"I play Eldar and Im six he saids"
"Wanna play a game?" saids the Staffer
kid nods eagerly

Moments later im setting up my beserkers for a 2000pt game so thats the majority of my army kitted out with so much nastiness the kid should have just packed up and went home.

Game goes on he stands and shoots at my eighty plus group of psychopaths footslogging across the board then i imagine a sickening crunch as my line of red and brass reaches his guardians now thats 3 attacks EACH 2+1 for charging attacking enemies in mesh armour thats stupid O clock attacks kids eyes widen in terror as i slaughter his whole army in 4 turns i might as well had have been rolling my dice out of a bucket.

The bloodlust was on Kharn steam rolling up the flank reaches his farseer one of my champs get posessed by a Bloodthirster the gak is hitting the air conditioning this kid looks ready to break then 6 turns are over hes standing there looking at his army.

1 grav tank
1 dire avenger running
his farseer clinging onto one wound kharn about to cave his face in

Now back then I built everything for cheesy power play and being a regular it was allowed and it was back in the day when it was the DONE thing!

Then this kid he cried he cried so hard that his mother gave me and the manager such a look of disgust and walked out with this kid in tow.

I proberly put him off for life........

Explains my losing streak now against everyone ive played my sin is well and truly being punished!

Okay, steamrolling a 6 year old?? Terrible.

Che-Vito wrote:Okay, steamrolling a 6 year old?? Terrible.

Acceptable IMO. If he isn't mature enough at 6 to accept losing, he most likely wont ever be.

Holy feth tell me that's sarcasm.

No its true.

Kids today have everything handed to them on a Platter. Even in schools you're not allowed to tell a child he is wrong, because it might "damage" his self esteem. Nor are PE lessions allowed to have games where there are loosers, because again, its "bad" for the child.

Consequently, kids grow up thinking they are always right.

At the age of 6 you should have learnt that you are not always right. I know I did. Yes he may have cried, but if he quit because he lost one game, do you think he had much of a future in it anyway?