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Things aren't that way in schools in my area, in my experience teaching children. Completely steamrolling a little kid is neither nice nor a good way to get somebody interested in the hobby.
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I've found the opposite to be true. Every single demo game I have given I haven't played easy. I've explained everything clearly, but I didn't go easy on them.
Each one without fail has since gotten really into the hobby and 2 of them have even beaten me! So, sometimes giving someone a challenge is a good thing.
Waaaaaaagh! wrote:
Kids today have everything handed to them on a Platter. Even in schools you're not allowed to tell a child he is wrong, because it might "damage" his self esteem.
This is mainly a product of the suburban world. Clearly, you have not spent much time in the city. The imposed school "culture" is totally irrelevant compared to that created by the home life, and social life of students. Schools that have more than a handful of children that live in poverty are aware of this...but usually the true concept of poverty and desperation is lost in suburbia.
Waaaaaaagh! wrote:Nor are PE lessions allowed to have games where there are loosers, because again, its "bad" for the child.
This all depends on the child. I am very self-critical, personally, so when I make a mistake as a part of a team, that I know tipped the game for the opponents...I still feel like crap for about an hour...then I get over it. Having my PE teacher tell me that "we are all winners" wouldn't have made a gram of difference.
Waaaaaaagh! wrote:Consequently, kids grow up thinking they are always right.
Learning that we are all students, from the day of birth to the day of death, is a realization I wouldn't expect most children, teens, and young adults to know. Hell, some adults still think so.
Waaaaaaagh! wrote:At the age of 6 you should have learnt that you are not always right. I know I did. Yes he may have cried, but if he quit because he lost one game, do you think he had much of a future in it anyway?
We are not certain that the player quit, so that judgement cannot be made. In my opinion though, the whole "survival of the fittest" concept simply doesn't apply everywhere, nor should it. We are playing a tabletop miniatures game, and instead of steamrolling a 6 year old, or any new player for that matter, having an instructional game will ultimately help the player become better.
Getting your ass kicked time and time again won't do that if you don't learn, and it's hard to have an open mind to learning when those around you are unwilling to teach.
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in 1998-1997 back in the hey day of 3rd edition I had a pure Beserker force 10-20 beserker squads at rediculous squad levels Terminator Lord Kharn the works even a bloodletter pack and greater Daemon.
One day im down my local hobby centre quiet as a mouse painting my girlfriend at the time was there also painting my Khorne Daemon Prince some six year old kid rolls in all big eyes full of wonder his army case in his hands.
Staffer bobs over says hi and asks him what he plays
"I play Eldar and Im six he saids"
"Wanna play a game?" saids the Staffer
kid nods eagerly
Moments later im setting up my beserkers for a 2000pt game so thats the majority of my army kitted out with so much nastiness the kid should have just packed up and went home.
Game goes on he stands and shoots at my eighty plus group of psychopaths footslogging across the board then i imagine a sickening crunch as my line of red and brass reaches his guardians now thats 3 attacks EACH 2+1 for charging attacking enemies in mesh armour thats stupid O clock attacks kids eyes widen in terror as i slaughter his whole army in 4 turns i might as well had have been rolling my dice out of a bucket.
The bloodlust was on Kharn steam rolling up the flank reaches his farseer one of my champs get posessed by a Bloodthirster the gak is hitting the air conditioning this kid looks ready to break then 6 turns are over hes standing there looking at his army.
1 grav tank
1 dire avenger running
his farseer clinging onto one wound kharn about to cave his face in
Now back then I built everything for cheesy power play and being a regular it was allowed and it was back in the day when it was the DONE thing!
Then this kid he cried he cried so hard that his mother gave me and the manager such a look of disgust and walked out with this kid in tow.
I proberly put him off for life........
Explains my losing streak now against everyone ive played my sin is well and truly being punished!
Reading this, all I can think of is the Seinfeld episode where Kramer was bragging about how he ruled the dojo. As it turned out there were only 8 year olds or some such in his class and he'd go berserk on them, then go home and think about what a bad ass he was. I guess if it's a major thing for you not to lose a game and you feel the need to blow a six year old out of the water, congrats, you accomplished both in only 6 turns.
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A while back I was playing 40k, and I was running with a vindicare assassin who was hidden behind a wall. So I roll to shoot, and the guy I was playing says 'you have to roll to shoot through difficult terrain'...which I thought was strange, since there was nothing in front of the vind.
Turns out what he was refering to was the base that the building was modelled on, it couldn't of been even a centimetre thick, yet he still insisted on me treating it as having to shoot through cover. Even though it was perfectly flat, and common sense would tell you 'well thats representing floor level' ><
Then again this is the same guy who managed to charge a dreadnaught through a 7" high piece of scenery with no LoS...no suprise people stopped playing him tbh.
And he wasn't 11 - 13 Problem was no matter how hard you tried to explain to him he was wrong, or people who confirmed he was wrong, he wouldn't get it through his thick skull. So in the end, we all put up with it instead of rage quitting, then happened to busy ourselves when he wanted another game xD
WarlordGaz wrote:A while back I was playing 40k, and I was running with a vindicare assassin who was hidden behind a wall. So I roll to shoot, and the guy I was playing says 'you have to roll to shoot through difficult terrain'...which I thought was strange, since there was nothing in front of the vind.
Turns out what he was refering to was the base that the building was modelled on, it couldn't of been even a centimetre thick, yet he still insisted on me treating it as having to shoot through cover. Even though it was perfectly flat, and common sense would tell you 'well thats representing floor level' ><
Then again this is the same guy who managed to charge a dreadnaught through a 7" high piece of scenery with no LoS...no suprise people stopped playing him tbh.
And he wasn't 11 - 13 Problem was no matter how hard you tried to explain to him he was wrong, or people who confirmed he was wrong, he wouldn't get it through his thick skull. So in the end, we all put up with it instead of rage quitting, then happened to busy ourselves when he wanted another game xD
GOD i despise such people... Twisting, bending and turning the rules, and then throw it out the window in their own turn...
Man do i get upset!! It's supposed to be fun.
BOSS_PIMPALOTZ wrote:
One day im down my local hobby centre quiet as a mouse painting my girlfriend at the time was there also painting my Khorne Daemon Prince some six year old kid rolls in all big eyes full of wonder his army case in his hands.
What colour did you paint her?
Seriously, there is such a thing as punctuation. It really helps promote understanding.
Spoken language =/= Written language.
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"He died because he had no honor. He had no honor and the Emperor was watching."
Somebody posted up a motivational poster of some chick in the buff bodypainted up to look like somethign called a "Mudkip". I think it's a Yi-Gi-Oh character or some such. I was attempting a play off of Steelmage99's question of what color was he painting his girlfriend. It may have been a weak (and evidently was quite obscure) play, but hey it was off the cuff.
grizgrin wrote:Somebody posted up a motivational poster of some chick in the buff bodypainted up to look like somethign called a "Mudkip". I think it's a Yi-Gi-Oh character or some such. I was attempting a play off of Steelmage99's question of what color was he painting his girlfriend. It may have been a weak (and evidently was quite obscure) play, but hey it was off the cuff.
oooh it's not from yu-gi-oh, my friend. no it is not.
Yeah, I was fairly unsure about that, not tryin to piss anyone off actually. All the Japanses anime crap looks the same to me, though. Even my 7 year old hates YuGiOh, so I just kinda tar it all with the same brush because I cant be bothered to larn it proper.
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Hehe, I happen to love Mudkips, though it has nothing to do with frightening cosplayers.
I'd have to say the most annoying thing I've run into playing is the guy who peaks behind his model before he fires and declares that you get no cover save because he can see 60% or so of your model. All well and good. When it comes back to your turn, however, even though no models have moved, he demands that you check and see if you have line of sight for the same models shooting. Ugh.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Hehe, I happen to love Mudkips, though it has nothing to do with frightening cosplayers.
I'd have to say the most annoying thing I've run into playing is the guy who peaks behind his model before he fires and declares that you get no cover save because he can see 60% or so of your model. All well and good. When it comes back to your turn, however, even though no models have moved, he demands that you check and see if you have line of sight for the same models shooting. Ugh.
If his models are significantly closer to the piece of obscuring terrain it's quite possible for your unit not to have a cover save, but for his unit to be eligible for one, especially if the unit in question is infantry and doesn't need even close to 50% coverage to gain a cover save.
JohnHwangDD wrote:Thanks, Gwar - now, *I* liek mudkipz!
So Sigging that
Also Moar Mudkips.
Hmm, Off topic Much? Someone get back on topic!
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If his models are significantly closer to the piece of obscuring terrain it's quite possible for your unit not to have a cover save, but for his unit to be eligible for one, especially if the unit in question is infantry and doesn't need even close to 50% coverage to gain a cover save.
I didn't mean for a cover save, I meant as to whether I have line of sight to his model at all.
But anyways , im 14 year old and i have had this kinda thing with an adult . He just started playing , but he kept making lame jokes about EVERYTHING . If a fly passed by he would say : The gothic fellt is here ! ANd some lame fethed up jokes ! I evuntaly asked him ( with these words) : " Cant we just please lay of the jokes and keep playing ? "
Turns out the guy whas a 5 year old at heart and quit playing :(
But anyways , im 14 year old and i have had this kinda thing with an adult . He just started playing , but he kept making lame jokes about EVERYTHING . If a fly passed by he would say : The gothic fellt is here ! ANd some lame fethed up jokes ! I evuntaly asked him ( with these words) : " Cant we just please lay of the jokes and keep playing ? "
Turns out the guy whas a 5 year old at heart and quit playing :(
So i feel the OP's pain ...
WHY DIDN'T YOU LIKE MY JOKES? YOU LAUGHED IN THE BEGINNING. YOU ARE MEAN!
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Problem was no matter how hard you tried to explain to him he was wrong, or people who confirmed he was wrong, he wouldn't get it through his thick skull. So in the end, we all put up with it instead of rage quitting, then happened to busy ourselves when he wanted another game xD
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