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I know that i'm innocent, so Airman or Stynier are the most suspicious to me ATM, followed by Not_U, then Mekboy. Stynier is the most suspicous though, I just don't like his logic so far. Airman isn't as supicious though I think if Stynier's not a traitor, then he most likely is. I know I'm not explaining much, but at this stage I don't see anyone who isn't very suspicious, just a couple that are more so.

@Thor

If you believe that I am trying to say this has all been one plot by you to kill me than that is incorrect, I was saying that I will not vote for him, because it seems to me that others are more than willing to kill me should I vote for him. I will not vote the final vote for him, not yet at least. I was providing reasoning for why I wasn't going to, as well as reasoning for why I would, you did ask for reasoning as to why we would vote, I assumed you'd want a reason for why would wouldn't.

Me jumping out to vote for him because you asked would more than likely end with me dead tomorrow, and then the traitors would win.

Arheiner wrote:so Airman or Stynier are the most suspicious to me ATM...

How am I suspicious? Will you please tell me.

Stynier, due to your unwillingness to provide responses to my post on why I find you suspicous, and that last post, I feel that I might need to put some more pressure on you.

Vote: BrotherStynier

@Mekboy, what did you ask him that you thought he was obligated to respond to?

@Stynier - I do feel that's what you were saying, otherwise you would have referred to me as an unintentional assassin or some such. Instead you say stuff like this;

You [Thor] wish the hammer drop on him do you? Well I could easily do it, though that would cast more suspicion my way as he has already voiced himself as being against me. That alone would give you more than enough motive to kill me tomorrow should he be innocent.

Emphasis is mine.
So what I'm reading here is you saying that by me asking for a hammer, if I get you to vote that said hammer, that I will use that as evidence tomorrow to lynch you.

I will note that I have listed Gornall as equally suspicious to you in my eyes since I've started discussing who I find most suspicious. Gornall has earlier discussed an intent to drop the hammer on Arheiner. I find it very interesting that you see my actions as a potential trap for yourself, whereas if it is a trap it could equally be a trap for Gornall, and I would have already caught Gornall in it. This just screams to me that you are feeling very nervous and sensitive about your loyalty and perhaps are seeing people question it or set traps that are not in fact even there. I would tend to suggest this is a mindset that a true loyalist wouldn't have.

You then include your subtle assassin line, again specifically addressed at me. You are not discussing how the group would turn on you, you are discussing how *I* would turn on you and set you up. I really don't see how I could have read that post any other way.

I was expecting him to give me some reasons not to vote for him, preferably countering my points.

If you definitely want a reply from someone I would note that it's (in my opinion) best to ask it in the form of a question. That way if they don't answer you can later point out how they avoided you.

You made your accusations more as a general statement, which makes it easier for Stynier to ignore as he's not obligated to respond to a statement. I also don't think his lack of response to a statement from you is a good reason to vote in and of itself.

Thor665 wrote:@Mekboy, what did you ask him that you thought he was obligated to respond to?

@Stynier - I do feel that's what you were saying, otherwise you would have referred to me as an unintentional assassin or some such. Instead you say stuff like this;

You [Thor] wish the hammer drop on him do you? Well I could easily do it, though that would cast more suspicion my way as he has already voiced himself as being against me. That alone would give you more than enough motive to kill me tomorrow should he be innocent.

Emphasis is mine.
So what I'm reading here is you saying that by me asking for a hammer, if I get you to vote that said hammer, that I will use that as evidence tomorrow to lynch you.

I will note that I have listed Gornall as equally suspicious to you in my eyes since I've started discussing who I find most suspicious. Gornall has earlier discussed an intent to drop the hammer on Arheiner. I find it very interesting that you see my actions as a potential trap for yourself, whereas if it is a trap it could equally be a trap for Gornall, and I would have already caught Gornall in it. This just screams to me that you are feeling very nervous and sensitive about your loyalty and perhaps are seeing people question it or set traps that are not in fact even there. I would tend to suggest this is a mindset that a true loyalist wouldn't have.

You then include your subtle assassin line, again specifically addressed at me. You are not discussing how the group would turn on you, you are discussing how *I* would turn on you and set you up. I really don't see how I could have read that post any other way.

Well forgive my poor choice of words, I could have sworn I had primarily stated that if I drop your hammer, the others would turn on me later on, at first I did state you, meaning you, though you had mentioned me as a suspect earlier on and tomorrow should you feel that I am more a threat you could turn on me if you so desired. Being wary of traps is something everyone should do, and questioning the motive of others is precisely what needs to be done in this matter. No one can be trusted, some more so than others, but when it comes down to it until we know who to trust its just everyman for himself, with a voting system.

BrotherStynier wrote:Well forgive my poor choice of words, I could have sworn I had primarily stated that if I drop your hammer, the others would turn on me later on, at first I did state you, meaning you,

I forgive your poor choice of words, but certainly maintain my right to bring them up again, as if I had not called you on those words who is to say you did not mean them as you initially stated? It might have been a typographical flub, or it might have been intended to try to paint me as some potentially scummy mastermind setting you up. I accept that you are professing the former explanation.

though you had mentioned me as a suspect earlier on and tomorrow should you feel that I am more a threat you could turn on me if you so desired.

Of course I could. I also have the ability to decide via the evidence of tomorrow that I have a totally new set of suspects I believe in. This game is very much a lot of Schrodinger's Cat, and until we lynch Areheiner to discover his scum/non-scum state I cannot be certain of some aspects of my current case. I still fail to see how me calling you out as one of a possible four suspects excuses your odd soft-selling of me as a mastermind trying to get you lynched. It's poor logic.

Being wary of traps is something everyone should do,

I disagree. This "traps" mentality of yours I find questionable. Loyalists should be focused on bringing up real evidence and logical breakdowns of reasoning. I have explained why your "trap" that you saw me setting for you is illogical, and still submit that the reason you saw it is quite possibly because you have guilty feelings because you are a Genestealer and are extra sensitive to such issues.

and questioning the motive of others is precisely what needs to be done in this matter. No one can be trusted, some more so than others, but when it comes down to it until we know who to trust its just everyman for himself, with a voting system.

Questioning motives is very much a good idea, and I agree with you here. However, I strongly disagree with your other concept. It is not every man for himself, it is Imperium loyalists versus Genestealers. If by my dying I could assure the exposing of a Genestealer I would do so in an instant at this point. It is the job of a loyalist without any power roles to do their best to make reasoned and non-rushed votes on those they find most suspicious, and to also point out and expose any actions that appear less then helpful. The individual survival to the end for any given Imperium player is meaningless - if we kill both Genestealers then Vulken and EF win right along with the rest of us.

Thor665 wrote:[
I forgive your poor choice of words, but certainly maintain my right to bring them up again, as if I had not called you on those words who is to say you did not mean them as you initially stated? It might have been a typographical flub, or it might have been intended to try to paint me as some potentially scummy mastermind setting you up. I accept that you are professing the former explanation.

To bring them up again is your right, and use it when you need to.

Of course I could. I also have the ability to decide via the evidence of tomorrow that I have a totally new set of suspects I believe in. This game is very much a lot of Schrodinger's Cat, and until we lynch Areheiner to discover his scum/non-scum state I cannot be certain of some aspects of my current case. I still fail to see how me calling you out as one of a possible four suspects excuses your odd soft-selling of me as a mastermind trying to get you lynched. It's poor logic.

Again I'm not trying to sell you out as a master mind, just commenting how at the time it would seem that it would be unwise of me to drop the last vote on Arheiner. Were another of your top suspects have done it they could have just as easily been wary of the decision

I disagree. This "traps" mentality of yours I find questionable. Loyalists should be focused on bringing up real evidence and logical breakdowns of reasoning. I have explained why your "trap" that you saw me setting for you is illogical, and still submit that the reason you saw it is quite possibly because you have guilty feelings because you are a Genestealer and are extra sensitive to such issues.

Can the Xenos, not also set traps? Already they have shown enough cunning to turn us against one another.

Questioning motives is very much a good idea, and I agree with you here. However, I strongly disagree with your other concept. It is not every man for himself, it is Imperium loyalists versus Genestealers. If by my dying I could assure the exposing of a Genestealer I would do so in an instant at this point. It is the job of a loyalist without any power roles to do their best to make reasoned and non-rushed votes on those they find most suspicious, and to also point out and expose any actions that appear less then helpful. The individual survival to the end for any given Imperium player is meaningless - if we kill both Genestealers then Vulken and EF win right along with the rest of us.

Today if your dying would help you would do it no doubt, if I knew for sure it would I would lay on the alter for the Imperium as well. Doing something for the Imperium is favorable to doing something for the people with us. If you want a sacrifice we have one waiting.

UNVOTE: Mekboy

VOTE: Arheiner

Using Thor's logic if you are loyal Arheiner, your soul will find its way to the Emperor and you sacrifice will be for ever remembered by those of us that survived. Though if you are one of the Xenos, rot in hell.

Interesting.

What changed between yesterday and today to make you now willing to drop the hammer on Arheiner?

Is someone dead?

I have been busy lately, I can start paying attention tommorow.

...okay, so I guess we're still in Twilight.

My question to Stynier still stands.

Huh?

Lord-Loss wrote:Huh?

OOC:Arheiner is dead, write death seen now.

Airman rugby tackled Arheiner onto the floor, BrotherStynier grabbed his arms, and held them down on the floor. Arheiner struggled, kicking his legs out. Thor ignored him, as he swung a large metal pole round, it connected with Arheiners head, and he started to struggle less Thor contuined to smash the pole into Arheiners head into blood was splattered all over the floor.

You find a pack of cigerates, a book of poems and a pen in Arheiners pockets.

Arheiner was a Imperial Citizen

You were suprised in the morning, when you found half of Thors corpse, his legs had been smashed with the pole you used to kill Arheiner. Pools of blood, were all over the floor. His upper torso was hanging from the ceiling. Upon closer inspection, you see his nose and been removed.


Thor was an Agent of the Officio Assassinorum

---Day 3---

Day 3 has began. Blalaha, you got two weeks, into Night 3, blalaha.

With 5 alive, its 3 to lynch.

My fellows, the time has come for me to announce the reasoning for my behavior. I am the Inquisitor, I knew yesterday that Thor was the agent of the Assassinorum, that was my reasoning for calling him "my subtle assassin" I wished to inform him that I knew who he was in order to prevent him from accidentally killing me in the night. Despite the back and forth between the two of us, I believe he got the message.

I reveal this now because in my investigations last night I discovered that Gornall is one of the traitors. I beg you all to believe me for Emperor's sake.

My reasoning for the elimination of Arheiner was simple, Thor had a point, even a loyalist's death could lead to our victory over the xenos. Should you chose to believe me, then know that all of our fallen comrades have given their life to lead to this final moment.

Most inquisitors wouldn't reveal themselves so early in the game. Care to explain why you did so?

Early? I wouldn't call this early Mekboy, there are only five of us remaining. If we lynch someone today that is not a genestealer, IE not Gornall or his unknown accomplice, the Genestealers will win.

We kill the wrong person, they kill another in the night and during the next day they eliminate the last remaining person. Hell remove the wrong person today and they can kill us now.

With the stakes so high I wouldn't call it early.

Rather convinient to reveal yourself as the Inquisitor now isn't it? You dropped the hammer on an innocent, for little to no reason, and Thor questions you; now he's dead. You've kind of been pretty suspicious the whole game to me, but not enough to think that you were actually a traitor, but this sets you above the others in my opinion.

Why should we believe that you are the inquisitor? It looks more like you're trying to shift any suspicion away from yourself and onto someone that might figure it out and see through your mask. For the Emperor's sake we shall not listen to the lies of the traitor. Everyone, think this through thoroughly we cannot afford any mistakes and it would be a mistake to blindly believe what anyone says. These traitors are tricky, they've avoided capture so far, but if we think this through I know we can beat them.

If you fail to listen to me then you can not beat them. As an Inquisitor I need very little reason as to why someone should be killed, if its for the good of the Imperium the ends justify the means.

Convenient to reveal myself now? Would you have preferred I reveal myself yesterday, and compromise Thor's cover? No thank you, that would not have helped him or I and you simply would have believed us to be working together and lynched one of us.

I had wished that Thor survive the night, that way along with him we could have stepped forward, preferably with whom ever was the third and final Imperial amongst us. Then it would have been more obvious as to who amongst us were the traitors.

At least if you chose to kill me I can be content knowing that you all will be joining me in hell soon enough.

I meant it never seems to be a good idea to reveal yourself (unless the game is over ). But, your timing was pretty bad. Right after you dropped the final vote with little to no reason beyond "Using Thor's logic if you are loyal Arheiner, your soul will find its way to the Emperor and you sacrifice will be for ever remembered by those of us that survived. Though if you are one of the Xenos, rot in hell." Which I'll admit was rather cool. But, after Thor questioned you vote and died, revealing yourself only makes you look even more suspicious and is kind of making it hard for me to actually believe that you are and Inquisitor and not simply saying you are as an easy way to throw off suspicion.


For all we know Gornall, Mekboy or even I could be the real Inquisitor and simply didn't reveal that they were because they knew it wasn't the best idea.

This late in the game revealing myself seemed the better choice, after all this is, I will state yet again, our last day should we fail to locate the genestealers. Not revealing myself would be the mistake. My reveal would have been better had Thor survived the night. Personally I knew I would survive the night, after all, who better to set up than the one that already has attracted the attention of the others?

If the stealers play their cards right, this phase will end quickly and lead to their victory.

Killing Thor for questioning me seems the obvious choice, were I truly a genestealer I would have chosen to kill Gornall or even Mekboy, two targets with which I have had little connection to or issues with through out the events.

If you really go for me based on the fact that Thor questioned me and now he's dead then your logic is even more flawed than my apparent logic of revealing myself.

By the way, VOTE: Gornall

(OOC: I was hoping someone would appreciate the sometimes over used "Rot in hell line")

We shouldn't be too quick to vote. If someone votes for the wrong person, then the two genestealers can pounce on them and finish this game.

I'm voting for him because I know for a fact that Gornall is one of the Xenos, my vote will not be removed from him at all. You can debate over whether you want to kill me or Gornall as long as you like, though I feel you'll chose me in the end Mekboy. You've been awful defensive of of Gornall since I stated I know him to be one of the traitors, scared the others may join me in bringing out the truth of your joint existence?

Egads - they took my nose, now I can't smell their scummy actions.

Best of luck to both sides...but mostly the Imperium one.

My fellows, the time has come for me to announce the reasoning for my behavior. I am the Inquisitor

That is not true, for I am the Inquisitor.

Okay then Airman, who have you investigated? And what were the results?

Underneath Thor, you find a note:

I am the inquisitor

Love Arheiner