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No, no its quite alright. I was just questioning, I figured once you had what you were seeking you would revoke it and move on as I had, if you are loyal to the Emperor as I am.

For no, I question you no longer.

UNVOTE: Mekboy

Ye Second Voting Summary.

Thor665-
N0t_u-(2)Mekboy, Arheiner
Gornall-
Airman-(1)Thor665
Mekboy-
Arheiner-(1)Airman
BrotherStynier-
Vulkan_He'stan-(1)Gornall
Emperors Faithful-

With 9 people alive, its 5 to Lynch.

I feel confident that if we continue to logically attack this problem, we shall prevail over the traitors.

You do agree though that your completely random vote did come at an odd time to cast a vote on n0t_U though, yes? I'm just wondering, after rolling that die, what went through your head to make you decide to still cast the vote?

What has changed now with some pressure by Stynier to make you now be willing to change the vote?

EBWOP - my above is directed at Mekboy - though I'm now curious why Stynier backed off of him so quickly.

UNVOTE: Arheiner
"From my knowledge of genestealer cultists, I suggest that we investigate the people that are the most inquisitive."

...coming right after I asked some questions and expressed curiosity about someone's actions should I take that as a sideways commentary towards me?

I submit that if you think I, or anyone, is suspicious it is better to question their actions that appear suspicious in order to bring their scumminess to light. Casting aspersions on someone or some set of actions without explicitly stating reasons for it seems like you're trying to paint something(someone) as guilty without wanting to open yourself up by actually coming out and saying it.

Any thoughts on this, airman?

@Thor665
Will you please answer these questions I have.
1. Will you please tell us your backstory.
2. Who do you think is the genestealer, and why.
3. If someone accused you of being a genestealer, what would you do.

Thor665 wrote:You do agree though that your completely random vote did come at an odd time to cast a vote on n0t_U though, yes? I'm just wondering, after rolling that die, what went through your head to make you decide to still cast the vote?

What has changed now with some pressure by Stynier to make you now be willing to change the vote?

Yeah, tbh it did strike me that it came at a bit of a bad time a while after I'd posted, but I'd already done it so I went along. Such a sudden change in plans would look a bit wierd.

I think I'll drop my vote, for now.
Unvote:n0t_u

I'll take it you don't have any thoughts then on my questions towards your method other then perhaps implicit agreement as shown by now asking me questions.

airman wrote:@Thor665
Will you please answer these questions I have.
1. Will you please tell us your backstory.
2. Who do you think is the genestealer, and why.
3. If someone accused you of being a genestealer, what would you do.

Sure;

1. I am a scribe for the Imperium. I work here.
2. At the moment I have no belief towards anyone that is particularly stronger then anyone else. If I did I would have said so by now. I will also note I do not believe there is the Genestealer, I know that two of the eight other people here are Genestealers and that I am a loyal scribe.
3. It would depend on how they accused me and why. At the most basic level I would challenge their logic because since I am not a Genestealer clearly their logic is flawed and I would attempt to showcase that.

Unvote:n0t_u
I believe that there's no point in voting in self-defence when they've accepted that you're prepared to talk. I apologise for how my first appearence came accross, being the newest member of the 9 scribes, I was always a little nervous and since I always was being punished by Adept Booba for being on DakkaDakka instead of filing, I was very anxious for a while after his death since I had to get used to no more whipping.

For my background, I was born on Vostroya as the third son to a high-class family. Dissapointingly to them, I had few skills, least of all warfare due to my weak frame and serious illnesses.These stopped my dream of recruitment to the Vostroyan Regiments of the Imperial Guard. I had only technological skills and logic. This lead to me taking a job here recently, as it fits both of my skills and now I've been thrust into this situation, where I may finally take part in an Imperial Victory.

((OOC - this is a general little spiel on basic Genestealer gameplay, so feel free to skip it if you feel competent enough already or just don't buy into my game theory ideas;

As a general note I will point out that a lot of you newer players feel a little gun-shy about sticking to your votes through the first wave of questions. You shouldn't be afraid to hold onto votes for a while, as having a vote or two on someone is usually what gets them to start saying interesting things that you can draw conclusions from (just look at how the first wave of RVS votes got us at least two pages or so of conversation)

I will encourage you to not be afraid to keep the vote on someone - even if you have to admit they are only slightly more scummy seeming then everyone else - as it will help conversation as they ask you to describe why you are voting for them and you ask them to defend any, even minor seeming, irregularity of action.

If any of you would like - feel free to question my vote on airman or (and I'll toss him under the bus here a bit) Gornall's vote on Vulkan. Both of us have played at least a few games and you'll get a chance to see us explain how we stick with a random vote.))
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::Thor glances around:: Where's Emperor's Faithful amongst all this discussion? I'd rather hear from everyone, and anyone being too quiet is not helping our situation.

Good point, there is the possibility LotG and Emperor's Faithful are the two traitors, but that would be to easy. We need to get them to explain a few things...

Thor665 wrote:((OOC - maybe he's just trying a new tactic of not saying something immensely scummy seeming within the first three pages.))

OCC: Perhaps he *gasp* fixed the techno, now that Arctik isn't nearby
Seriously either they're busy or trying to lay low.

::Thor glances around:: Where's Emperor's Faithful amongst all this discussion? I'd rather hear from everyone, and anyone being too quiet is not helping our situation.

The PM was just sent. My laptop fethed up the first time I sent it, so I sent it again.

Thor665 wrote:EBWOP - my above is directed at Mekboy - though I'm now curious why Stynier backed off of him so quickly.

Changing it up a little Thor, I have brought his actions of voting to the foreground and wish for some of our fellows to have a spin, I don't feel that we should do all the work for them, though if you prefer I will recast my vote for him.

VOTE:Mekboy

Now Mekboy, you say to have chosen n0t_U randomly, a likely enough scenario, but why at random? Sure at the start when there weren't votes out there random would work, but casting at random when there are several votes out there seems careless.

BrotherStynier wrote:

Thor665 wrote:EBWOP - my above is directed at Mekboy - though I'm now curious why Stynier backed off of him so quickly.

Changing it up a little Thor, I have brought his actions of voting to the foreground and wish for some of our fellows to have a spin, I don't feel that we should do all the work for them, though if you prefer I will recast my vote for him.

VOTE:Mekboy

Now Mekboy, you say to have chosen n0t_U randomly, a likely enough scenario, but why at random? Sure at the start when there weren't votes out there random would work, but casting at random when there are several votes out there seems careless.

So when questioned about dropping your vote too quickly, you almost immediately put it back on him? This seems like you're trying too hard to avoid suspicion. Frankly, I'm a little concerned because to me it looks like you two could be working together, as you both voted for Not_U very early, almost as if you're trying to get people to jump on the bandwagon (Arheiner jumped on that vote). When that didn't work out, Stynier hedged his bets by accusing Mekboy long enough to eliminate a link between them, but removed that vote very soon. However, once questioned about it, Stynier put the vote back up to try and ward off suspicion. Do you see how this could look suspicious? I'm not saying that's the case, as truthfully, Stynier jumped off a little too early if he wanted to really get a lynch mob going, but I know it's something I'll keep my eyes on if I should survive today and tonight.

OOC:: So LotGs is gone and EF is now in for him? Anyone heard from Vulkan?

Yep, EF is now LoG.

I will wait a day before looking for a replacement for Vulkan He'stan, because Im nice.

sorry i havent posted in a while internet went down

vote: mekboy he seems sespicious

Gornall wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:

Thor665 wrote:EBWOP - my above is directed at Mekboy - though I'm now curious why Stynier backed off of him so quickly.

Changing it up a little Thor, I have brought his actions of voting to the foreground and wish for some of our fellows to have a spin, I don't feel that we should do all the work for them, though if you prefer I will recast my vote for him.

VOTE:Mekboy

Now Mekboy, you say to have chosen n0t_U randomly, a likely enough scenario, but why at random? Sure at the start when there weren't votes out there random would work, but casting at random when there are several votes out there seems careless.

So when questioned about dropping your vote too quickly, you almost immediately put it back on him? This seems like you're trying too hard to avoid suspicion. Frankly, I'm a little concerned because to me it looks like you two could be working together, as you both voted for Not_U very early, almost as if you're trying to get people to jump on the bandwagon (Arheiner jumped on that vote). When that didn't work out, Stynier hedged his bets by accusing Mekboy long enough to eliminate a link between them, but removed that vote very soon. However, once questioned about it, Stynier put the vote back up to try and ward off suspicion. Do you see how this could look suspicious? I'm not saying that's the case, as truthfully, Stynier jumped off a little too early if he wanted to really get a lynch mob going, but I know it's something I'll keep my eyes on if I should survive today and tonight.

OOC:: So LotGs is gone and EF is now in for him? Anyone heard from Vulkan?

Well I didn't see anyone else putting a vote up on him, so the logical choice was to put it right back up there. I'm sure if I really wanted n0t_U to have been lynched I could have made it happen, I removed my vote for him before anyone else could jump in and get him lynched, with three of us voting for him two more would have ended up with him dead, by removing my vote I prevented someone from dying. I felt that some of you may have had enough suspicion of Mekboy that if I left the vote on him he would now be dead, and if he was a loyal man, you would all still tunr on me for voting for him in the first place. You see this game is rigged.

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:sorry i havent posted in a while internet went down

vote: mekboy he seems sespicious

Care to mention why you find me so suspicious?

Your eagerness to jump on the bandwagon seems to indicate you may have hidden motives.

And you, Brother Stynier, you've revoted for me rather quickly. A sudden change of mind, perhaps? Or maybe something much more sinister?

More importantly... answer the questions regarding your stench of cheese! What say you of the vote I have against you?

I am also curious as to why you immediately jumped on Mekboy.

I agree - the worst Mekboy has seemed to have done is a bit of vote flip-flopping and a slightly odd "random" vote. I'm not sure I see that as so much more substantial compared to Areheiner's odd stance reversal on voting or airman's odd passive aggressive tack, or even Stynier's slightly Byzantine voting lure strategies.

It's certainly an interesting time to be hopping on Mekboy while not even giving any particular reason for it.

On the flip side I'm still not happy with how much Mekboy has been changing his vote. It seems like he's trying too hard to please people and that suggests he might have a guilty conscience about his actions. I feel Imperium loyalists are usually a bit less worried about bowing to people that pressure them, but are more likely to question why they are being pressured.

Mekboy, any thoughts to this?

I haven't really been changing my vote. I've voted for n0t_u once, then unvoted. If I'm trying too hard to stay alive, then that's probably because I'm still quite new to this.

I'll concede hat my phrasing "how much" is probably not accurate. However I'll rephrase to 'how you've been' changing your vote and my thought holds true.

You vote n0t_u - okay.
Stynier explains his strange plot, which honestly could be challeged quite easily on a few levels.
Instead of challenging it you literally *ask* him if you should change your vote (presumably to make him happy and make him unvote you).
I ask you why you're shifting around from a seemingly strong standpoint (let the random vote be totally random) after a little bit of pressure from Stynier.
You promptly don't address that part of the question and unvote.

You're working very hard to try to please people who question you. That makes it seem that either you are scum trying to divert attention by pleasing others, or that you will be easy for scum to manipulate into voting the way they want.

Neither option is good

The purpose of a loyalist is not to stay alive, the purpose of a loyalist is to hunt and catch scum.

VOTE: BrotherStynier
OOC: I don't like his avatar.

Thor665 wrote:I'll concede hat my phrasing "how much" is probably not accurate. However I'll rephrase to 'how you've been' changing your vote and my thought holds true.

You vote n0t_u - okay.
Stynier explains his strange plot, which honestly could be challeged quite easily on a few levels.
Instead of challenging it you literally *ask* him if you should change your vote (presumably to make him happy and make him unvote you).
I ask you why you're shifting around from a seemingly strong standpoint (let the random vote be totally random) after a little bit of pressure from Stynier.
You promptly don't address that part of the question and unvote.

You're working very hard to try to please people who question you. That makes it seem that either you are scum trying to divert attention by pleasing others, or that you will be easy for scum to manipulate into voting the way they want.

Neither option is good

The purpose of a loyalist is not to stay alive, the purpose of a loyalist is to hunt and catch scum.

OOC:
I shall remember that for this and future games

Lord-Loss wrote:Yep, EF is now LoG.

OOC: Just got the PM.

A lowly scribe speaks up from the corner. "Out of all of you, it seems that Thor knows the most about this situation. Too much. Almost as if he's done this kind of thing before..."

Vote: Thor665

"And who are you?"

airman wrote:VOTE: BrotherStynier
OOC: I don't like his avatar.

((OOC - You've already done a random vote and unvoted. Conversation has been started by quite a few players already - including Stynier. Do you really see an advantage to still random voting at this stage, and do you really see absolutely no points that anyone has made that are worth putting out a more substantive vote on by this stage of the game? Random votes are just to start discussion in the beginning.))

Emperors Faithful wrote:A lowly scribe speaks up from the corner. "Out of all of you, it seems that Thor knows the most about this situation. Too much. Almost as if he's done this kind of thing before..."

((OOC - I'm going to presume this is a random vote as well since otherwise it is utterly senseless. I would repeat my advice to airman to you as well in this case, though since you are just hopping in it's slightly less off putting. If this is a serious vote just let me know and I'll actually respond to it.))