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Urien_Rakarth wrote:NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!! Fear definately not. Rotting/aging slight chance.

Nurgle is the fear of death and the resulting drive to live as well as the inevitability of entropy.

Any Chaos deity powerful enough to approach sentience will probably be gobbled up by one of the Four. Humanity is so numerous at this point, that any other species except Orks can't produce enough psychic feedback to the warp to create a conscious entity powerful enough to stand up to the big dogs.

Then how do greater daemons of undivided come into existence? What about Malal, or all those other ba$t@rds on page 3/4/5? Huh? Huh?

Malice was actually kicked out of the Warp and has been summoned into physical existence so he's sorta out of the grasp of the big 4.

On the subject of Sloth: One of Slaanesh's Fantasy spells is related to sloth.

Ya know, I just thought of something. Khorne may be the Big Lord of Anger, but there are other angry Daemons. He's just the god of anger because he's the strongest and the angriest. So, it'd be possible to have demigods that share the domains of the Main Four (Ambition, Self Preservation, Rage and Hedonism). Obviously they wouldn't be nearly as strong as the Big Four and would in fact spend most of their time trying to avoid being killed in the Great Game, but they could exist.


EXAMPLE: Kialidine is the Demigod of Revenge and Provoked Wrath. He is a recent addition to the pantheon of Chaos, having gained sentience a mere three hundred years ago. By taking up the domain of vengeance, he has intruded on rage, Khorne's domain, much to Khorne's rage. As of the moment Kiadlidine spends most of his time evading the Blood God and plotting his revenge. Several of his followers have summoned him to the material realm, where Khorne holds less influence.

Kiadlidine frequently goes by the moniker of the Serpent Marquis, based on his appearance and that of his Daemons. He is a writhing mass of snake heads, from the tiniest Corn Snakes to the largest Anacondas, all poised to strike at a moment's notice. The Serpent Marquis' Greater Daemons are viper headed elephantine creatures with poisonous barbs defending their bloated forms. His Lesser Daemons are not quite as impressive, materializing merely as scaly, rattlesnake headed porcupines.

The Serpent Marquis has expent most of his limited power by investing in a mortal Champion of the Black Legion known as Varitas. He has elevated Varitas to Daemon Princedom and bestowed him with a great warband of ever loyal Daemons and enslaved cultists. Kiadlidine prays that his Champion will spread his holy word and gain many followers, for if he fails Kiadlidine knows that only Khorne's axe awaits him.



Damn, I wrote a lot. I kinda really got into writing that. But you get the point.

This is almost exactly what we're trying to do. Welcome to the real world. But if you look at your Daemon, you notice that eventually this could evolve, given time, into a whole new Chaos God. He could gain the power of something else, and before you know it Khorne's waiting for his axe. (or snaky barby thing) But we're doing a God of Time and fear at the minute. Hey, he could even start exactly like yours. Its how I imagine Slaanesh started, raw warp material, then a thought, then a daemon as excess became culture, then god as it consumed. Know you see. Know you have been 'enlightened'. Welcome.

Urien_Rakarth wrote:This is almost exactly what we're trying to do. Welcome to the real world. But if you look at your Daemon, you notice that eventually this could evolve, given time, into a whole new Chaos God. He could gain the power of something else, and before you know it Khorne's waiting for his axe. (or snaky barby thing) But we're doing a God of Time and fear at the minute. Hey, he could even start exactly like yours. Its how I imagine Slaanesh started, raw warp material, then a thought, then a daemon as excess became culture, then god as it consumed. Know you see. Know you have been 'enlightened'. Welcome.

Well I guess what makes yer God different from Nurgle (since time and death are pretty much exactly nurgle)? I mean Kialidine is focused on revenge, so at least he's distinguishable from Khorne.

EDIT: To clarify what I'm saying, I disagreed with your god because it was exactly like Nurgle. I still dislike your idea unless you find a way to distinguish him somehow.

Fear mainly. It is definately not covered by any of the chaos gods. Time, as you say, might be related to nurgle, but then you might say rotting and decay are all states of change, so therefore Tzeench. Personally I think the original idea of fear and time were good, but then aging came along and made everything confusing. It also depends on the point of view of thre aging. If its fear of death and crippleness, then its not so much Nurgle, but if its decay and arthritis sort of things then yeah, it is Nurgle.

Urien_Rakarth wrote:Fear mainly. It is definately not covered by any of the chaos gods. Time, as you say, might be related to nurgle, but then you might say rotting and decay are all states of change, so therefore Tzeench. Personally I think the original idea of fear and time were good, but then aging came along and made everything confusing. It also depends on the point of view of thre aging. If its fear of death and crippleness, then its not so much Nurgle, but if its decay and arthritis sort of things then yeah, it is Nurgle.

Nurgle is the fear of death and the resulting drive to live. That's fear.

As mentioned previously, Time is not a concept that the Powers of Chaos are really cognizant of, as they exist simultaneously at all times, and time does not pass in the Warp as it does in Realspace. It's a mortal concept, and not universal to even mortal races (the passage of time is of bigger concern to Man, for example, than it is to the Eldar, who live much, much longer lives).

I suppose you could have a Chaos God of the Planck Constant, but that really lacks the same vim as the other Great Four.

No, I disagree, I don't think Nurgle is fear of death. Someone should Lexicanum it.


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Bugger, you are right. Nurgle is the fear of death and desease. Damn you. This isn't over. How about we then go for revenge/ time like you suggested. Awwww I did like that Fear idea.


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Could we have a tie in with the fear that what you thought you'd killed is coming back to get revenge?

That sounds more like Zuvassin, the Undoer. You *thought* everything was going exactly according to plan, but then your murder victim rose out of his grave a revenant and proceeded to deliver the unholy beat-down.

Who the f0@k is Zuvassin? Does he exist?

Fear of death is a pretty specific case of fear. Couldn't you have something like Zalgo, Chaos God of incoherent terror?

Also, I want a Chaos God of Transcendance. Tzeentch can stuff it with his perpetual change.

Urien_Rakarth wrote:Who the f0@k is Zuvassin? Does he exist?

One of the lesser Chaos Powers (like Malal) who, once upon a time, had an alliance with Necoho the Unbeliever (Chaos God of Atheism) that formed the Cult of the Ancient Allies, which gave rise to the Chaos Relic known as the Cleansing Fire of Zuvassin. This device, basically a giant kettle, could burn the taint of Chaos out of anything placed in it.

The item so purified might even, in rare cases, survive.

Ha ha ha. Depresssingly enough, sounds like the thing an Inquisitor/GK wouldn't bother with when they Exterminatus a world...:(

Urien_Rakarth wrote:No, I disagree, I don't think Nurgle is fear of death. Someone should Lexicanum it.

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Bugger, you are right. Nurgle is the fear of death and desease. Damn you. This isn't over. How about we then go for revenge/ time like you suggested. Awwww I did like that Fear idea.

Given that this thread has already been uncritically exhuming Warhammer Fantasy material from two decades ago (Malal, Zuvassin, Necoho - whose epithet, by the way, is "the Doubter" not "the Unbeliever"), I may as well point out that revenge is already the province of another god: Solkan the Avenger.

That's the thing with fiction, it's all been done before. You're just slapping a new coat of paint on a model that's been painted dozens of times already. You might, if you're very clever and creative, might not use the same colors that someone else before you has used, but that's really unlikely.

How about this, instead of the rotting decay that Nurgle seems to favor, how about the withering slow decay? Like people dying of old age, of AIDS, how their bodies wither and weaken.

Still Nurgle.

I know it's still Nurgle, I'm suggesting a God who covers a specific aspect similar to Kialidine the Demigod of Revenge and Provoked Wrath who treads into the realm of Khorne but really covers only a specific aspect.

King Pariah wrote:I know it's still Nurgle, I'm suggesting a God who covers a specific aspect similar to Kialidine the Demigod of Revenge and Provoked Wrath who treads into the realm of Khorne but really covers only a specific aspect.

I guess, but slow decay isn't too different from decay. It still work if pulled off well enough.

I sitll like the idea of something like fear or revenge, something the others haven't got covevered.

What about a God of undeath? Its not quite Nurgle (because thats a wish for living). But there are a tonne of necromancers going out there, and their antics and thrill sfrom summoning the dead would have formed a weaker God of sorts, surely?

And also, what of a God of animals, made of primal emotions that they exude. A baseless animal god worshipped by the most primitive of the Chaos kin, who's daemons are ravenous beasts?

Animals don't have souls. They're not capable of the act of worship. Such a Chaos God would be, at the utmost, a mid-range daemon. Not a lesser, but a far, far cry from even a Bloodthirster or a Lord of Change.

Yes, I'm afraid a god of animals just wouldn't work. As for undeath, Nurgle covers Death, and in Horus Rising he reanimates these corpses, so sorry mate.

God of debts, the repo god

everytime someone makes a deal with one of the four, is blessed by one of the four, he keeps tally of what was given and what is due of that individual/warband/etc. to whichever god they have been blessed by. If the individual(s) falls short of what they owe or a god becomes dissatisfied with the individual(s), he comes in a reaps back both the power(s) given and the soul(s).

King Pariah wrote:God of debts, the repo god

everytime someone makes a deal with one of the four, is blessed by one of the four, he keeps tally of what was given and what is due of that individual/warband/etc. to whichever god they have been blessed by. If the individual(s) falls short of what they owe or a god becomes dissatisfied with the individual(s), he comes in a reaps back both the power(s) given and the soul(s).

Seems too lawful/ordered. Chaos is supposed to be about impulse and emotion, rather than laws and restrictions.

Nurgle has Epidemius keeping track of plagues and what not, so, why not?


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Out of chaos, comes order.