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thermatic wrote:Hawkward it was stated in the audio book throne of lies.

Spoiler:

it explains that Curze was killed by a assassin (through a dataslate) and he did not attempt to stop her as he was guilt ridden that he destoryed his home planet and he turned his back on his father and brothers.

it was also stated in Lord of Night seeing as 3rd captain saw it all

Sorry, it was just a thought.

aww thats a bit rubbish, never thought they were actually going to come out and tell us that Kurze died :(
i loved the mystery surrounding his assassination, especially that the assassin never came back and the pict recording finished before the final blow was struck....shame

Kasrkai wrote:

Urien_Rakarth wrote:I really like this, but I think it, like the other Chaos symbols, should be more hollow and an elaborate shape. I got the idea of ssomething like an octogan with 4 scarab like legs branching of the middle 4 points, and a broken top with some sort of rune coming inwards. I'll try and upload it soon.

Interesting... I made mine bland to give the idea that he is SO much different that other gods. On the outside, anyway.

A new idea could be to make an almost complete circle, but then at one point have it branch into the centre, where it would be a symbol of fear. Does anyone know any fear symbols?


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Kasrkai wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:

Kasrkai wrote:I would vote the name to be Aikar, stemming form aika, Finnish word for time.

And color should be grey, or something dour.

Like so?

For a CSM chapter name, the 'Fear Eternal'

Of a relatively interesting nature...

I have a dated Chaos Army Book, (Fantasy, but keep on listening) it states cleary that there is hundereds of Chaos Gods who are worshipped in secret throught the Old World. It also states that,

Khorne is the God of Blood, War, and Skulls.

Tzeentch is the God of Magic, Mutation and the /time/stream.

Nurgle is the God of despair, disease and pestilence.

Slaanesh is the Prince of Chaos, master of excess. (All Slaanesh had at the time this book was printed)

There is various other Chaos Gods, such as Malal, the great Destroyer. All the Dark Gods are revered by their acolytes, and feared by mortals.

(This was from a very, VERY old army book)

Also, Furies were originally going to be Malal's daemons.

I believe fear is covered by nurgle isnt it? (fear of death?)

And couldnt the Tyranids hive mind be considered a chaos god as it resides in the warp and it is nothing but the combined minds and feelings of Zillions of bugs? The all consuming god of hunger?

Nurgle doesn't cover fear, and the Hive Mind is devoid of emotion, so couldn't be a god. And the Tyranids don't feel anything.

Urien_Rakarth wrote:Nurgle doesn't cover fear, and the Hive Mind is devoid of emotion, so couldn't be a god. And the Tyranids don't feel anything.

Well supposedly they just feel the need to feed. But most likely your correct the hive mind can't be a god from the warp. However when I started wh40k there was a rumor that the hive mind was the Outsider.

Outsider is no way the hive mind.
Outsider is completely bonkers, and hive mind is an intellegent hunger.

I know it was just some silly rumor that I remembered.

sure. OK.

Yeah, the Hive Mind is quite like a murderous computer.

BACK ON SUBJECT:

The problem is that we don't want to scratch on the other gods' domains, so death isn't available, it is already owned by Nurgle. However aging is not and time is no-one god's domain, so we have our shell:
(Insert name here): Time, Aging, Fear.
Nurgle: Death, Decay, Joy.
Khorne: Violence, Bloodshed, Hate.
Slaanesh: Lust, Pleasure, Pain.
Tzeentch: Plotting, Change, Hope.

Urien_Rakarth wrote:What I mean is things could exist, but for instance, without Tzeench, lord of Change and Hope, life would never change, and there would be no hope for change or freedom. Things could live, but Chaos is needed to an extent or an almost new form of Chaos would become, the Chaos of order.
On the Tau if you look at them they have no freedom- the Ethereals dominate their lives intirely- only those who have broken away-Farsight for instace-could possibly be said to have something close to souls. Likewise you never hear of them having any fun-they're born into a caste, live a set out and dull life-then die. And they have no ties to Slaanesh. Do you see my point?

The Chaos Gods aren't the SOURCE of what they represent: Quite the opposite, they are spawned by emotions that end up in the warp and are empowered by them, meaning they enjoy a parasitic relationship.

What about an eternal graveyard where its pitch black the whole time but you can just see what you fear most at the edge of your vision like room 101 for the domain?
Name should definitely be Sker!
For the symbol I came up with an almost complete circle, but where one of the unfinished points branches into the middle to become a skull.
Daemons where explained earlier, and they're hooded, floating completely black with no faces.
Greater Daemons are largely the same, but with swirling, robes and a staff-weapon that drains the youth out of enemies, and some take the shape of what the opponent fears most.


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I'm getting some more models soon, so I might try and make a convesion of the daemon.

Henners right the chaos gods were created by all the psykers the old ones made to fight the necrons and the C'tan.

How about the chaos god of logic. His marines wear no symbols, camouflage according to the environment, and have small pauldrons.
Super-Heresy.

Urien_Rakarth wrote:What about an eternal graveyard where its pitch black the whole time but you can just see what you fear most at the edge of your vision like room 101 for the domain?
Name should definitely be Sker!
For the symbol I came up with an almost complete circle, but where one of the unfinished points branches into the middle to become a skull.
Daemons where explained earlier, and they're hooded, floating completely black with no faces.
Greater Daemons are largely the same, but with swirling, robes and a staff-weapon that drains the youth out of enemies, and some take the shape of what the opponent fears most.


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I'm getting some more models soon, so I might try and make a convesion of the daemon.

Keep on topic. Come on, we need this to move along.
Kasrakai if you saw the OP that was the first idea with all the poverty and single style life of the IoM

Personally, I don't like the name sker. I'm not saying Aikar is better, it's just something I googled.
Besides, all of Chaos floats on misery, and uniformity doesn't seem to be something he/she could feed off of.

As for Greater Daemons, I would think of them as always changing age. Not shape though.

OK, I liked Sker, as it sounds evil enough, but Aikar sounds too noble and good to me. I also got Grimur. Earlier, I saw Archaon, and whilst this is probably something taken, I like the sound, as it has an ancient ring to it.
What you said about the greater Daemons, I understand the age idea, but I just can't really see that happening, but maybe if it was constantly in a position that acted on everyone's fear, that might be good. Maybe the some of the moderate daemons could be constantly changing age, whilst the others could be shifting on peoples fears?


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Aetox maybe?

Well, when the Emperor dies, the fifth god of chaos will be born. Malal, the god destined to slay his brothers.

Not Emperor is the Star Child, Malal is chaos tendency to fight itself manifested. his daemons are badass and hunt other daemons Doomed ones I thing they're called. They're black scaled 8ft tall lizardmen with daemon weapons with the souls of daemon hunters inside.

FlammingGaunt wrote:Not Emperor is the Star Child, Malal is chaos tendency to fight itself manifested. his daemons are badass and hunt other daemons Doomed ones I thing they're called. They're black scaled 8ft tall lizardmen with daemon weapons with the souls of daemon hunters inside.

That's right. Damn, I wish he was cannon.

Urien_Rakarth wrote:OK, I liked Sker, as it sounds evil enough, but Aikar sounds too noble and good to me. I also got Grimur. Earlier, I saw Archaon, and whilst this is probably something taken, I like the sound, as it has an ancient ring to it.
What you said about the greater Daemons, I understand the age idea, but I just can't really see that happening, but maybe if it was constantly in a position that acted on everyone's fear, that might be good. Maybe the some of the moderate daemons could be constantly changing age, whilst the others could be shifting on peoples fears?


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Aetox maybe?

Khorne = Corn.
...

I had this idea earlier, from a dream actually. How about some kind of hour glass with sand that forms peoples worst fears?


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Also, what kind of colors? When I think of time, I think dark teal and similar hues.

Well in my Dark Heresy campaign I had my players fight a daemon called "darkness" he was based off of pride from full metal alchemist but without the kid. And that's why they now carry flashlights like scared children camping.

I had this idea earlier, from a dream actually. How about some kind of hour glass with sand that forms peoples worst fears?

I think this would maybe be an awesome Psychic power, or weapon for the greater Daemon

Also, what kind of colors? When I think of time, I think dark teal and similar hues.

I was thinking more grey and gold, like the CSM from earlier.

P.S. You'll laugh at this What colour is teal?

thermatic wrote:its funny how every one views nurgle as decay and death when he isent. Read the daemon codex and army book and you find out he treats his daemons like children and the diseases as gifts. Nurgle while yes the god of diseases, he is also the god of joy and people living their life ( not to be confused with pleasures of life). Read the beasts of nurgle and you find that they try and find "play things" and lavish effection on them.

As for malak, he is still around to some people as he is anarchy and the fear of oppression. Their wont be another chaos god because the way i see it after what malak did in the early days they wouldent risk having someone as powerful as all four of them.

Nurgle IS the god of decay, always has been. When Nurgle is described in books and codices, it nearly always states he's the god of disease and decay. Nurgle is in no way a god of joy. No Chaos God has any other part of them, a good side. Bad emotions are more prevalent, hence why all Chaos Gods are Gods of anger, hate, decadence, scheming and decay, negative emotions. If another Chaos God were to form, the other four couldn't do a thing about it. Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch had been around for a good while when Slannesh formed during the Eldar Fall.


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thermatic wrote:Urien_Rakarth races can live with out the chaos gods,Tau for example have no soul thus no ties to the warp and that means they cant influence the gods or create daemons. If no chaos gods existed than anything with a soul or connection to psychic powers wouldent exist.

gingers would be fine tho we dont have souls

Tau do have souls. They have a very small or no presence in the Warp, so cannot be corrupted in mind, cannot worship or be affected by the powers of the warp in spirit. If a group of Tau were to become trapped in the EOT, they would mutate in body, their mind would just have to watch, completely free of Chaos taint as its body changes. I don't understand, if no Chaos Gods existed, sentient races with a soul wouldn't be able to use psychic powers? Using the powers of the Warp does not rely on the presence of the Chaos Gods. How are Imperial psykers able to use theres if they don't worship them?

sorta like orks except not inertly psychic

god of happiness ?

I'm really liking the idea of a god of fear and death - if we consider Nurgle as a god of LIFE rather than death beacuse decay and rot are caused by living viri and bacteria etc...

If time and time manipulation are his fortes then go ahead and call him Cronos... or if the terror aspect is your thing then you've got all kinds of options.

PLUS a god of death, terror and time has all the undead from WHFB for modeling options. As the nightbringer has the whole grim reaper costume as his thing already, greater Daemons of (insert name here) could manifest as the even older conception of death - a cadaverous and beautiful woman with a sickle (not a scythe) and an hourglass. Lesser daemons as wraiths (those floating robes, or ring wraiths from LOTR), fit some kind of dragon/hyrda in the beast slot (where bloodcrushers and beasts of nurgle go), and imagine the awesomeness of tomb kings conversion scorpions and death-cobra things with guns!

Why did not traitor legions follow this god? They k new no fear, right? But all psykers, even the GKs and Inquisition, know that this god is waiting for them when they finally succumb... sneaking up on them like old age itself!

Well I suppose Ynnead could fill the slot, he is thew god of Death just still being formed. Getting ready to murder Slaanesh.